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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Everyone should just consider if it's worth their time to try and argue with someone who is seriously considering a reality where the FBI kills people in the street SS style as the truth.

Nice strawman. but no.

If you're going to use high school debate terms, get it right. That wasn't a strawman. That was ad hominem.

#DoYouEvenDebateBro

Also, is what he said true? Do you believe that the FBI kills people in the street SS style?

Have you ever used the term FedShirt?

Have you ever uttered the phrase "What up, sheeple" in a non-ironic manner?


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 BaronIveagh wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
who is seriously considering a reality where the FBI kills people in the street SS style as the truth.

BTW: If you think that's never happened, remember that the FBI was deeply involved in the assassination of Fred Hampton.

That was the CPD, not the FBI. But you know, facts.

Yerrrrs, well...

Given it happened so long ago that the children of the officers involved could have retired from the force by now, and it was a black victom in an era of significant racial tension, in a completely private location, and the evidence was inconclusive, I am not fully persuaded that the Fred Hampton case proves that the FBI shot this Bundy militia guy like a dog in a public location with three witnesses.

“All of us Sharps were going to sing,” she said. “We were just going to try to talk, maybe do some negotiations, and we were going to sing. That was all.”

So they weren't just going to talk?




She clearly says someone crashed into a snowbank, and "...we all got down on the floorboards...", but the rest is freaked out gibberish. Definitely not a reliable narrator.

All they wanted to do was talk, sing, negotiate, wave their hands in the air like they just don't care, and in Finicum's case, shoot any policeman who tried to arrest him, yet sadly, for some unaccountable reason, instead of doing that they took off in a mile-long high-speed evasion move that ended with crashing off the road.

The police then decided to execute one of them and not the other four, and not to execute the other car load of people who didn't suffer a non-specific foot/accelerator over-pressure incident.

The fascist swine!

Decades of support for Dictatorships across the world has come to nought when your freedom hating federal officers bungle an assassination like this!

Pinochet would be upset.

Also, rancher who loves nothing more than "God, family and freedom" left said family to go and sit in a hut with his militia buddies

Back in the day the fedcoats would have just hit the car with 10 machine guns.

 d-usa wrote:
Back in the day the fedcoats would have just hit the car with 10 machine guns.

Wouldn't it be more effective to just shoot the car with 1 machine gun rather than to physically assault it with 10?

Damn government waste.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, rancher who loves nothing more than "God, family and freedom" left said family to go and sit in a hut with his militia buddies

I've gone gakky places and done gakky things, as has my wife (who is actually getting ready to go back to Afghanistan) in large part because we love freedom and our family and decided to serve in the military. 'Loving family' does not mean you are unwilling to sacrifice.

If these guys truly believe the stuff they claim to, they'll likely see time away from family as a sacrifice being made.

 LordofHats wrote:

 d-usa wrote:
Back in the day the fedcoats would have just hit the car with 10 machine guns.

Wouldn't it be more effective to just shoot the care with 1 machine gun rather than to physically assault it with 10?

Damn government waste.

Not if you can't hit the rear armour and the side/front armour is too strong for your gun. Remember, CC always hits rear armour


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 CptJake wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:
Also, rancher who loves nothing more than "God, family and freedom" left said family to go and sit in a hut with his militia buddies

I've gone gakky places and done gakky things, as has my wife (who is actually getting ready to go back to Afghanistan) in large part because we love freedom and our family and decided to serve in the military. 'Loving family' does not mean you are unwilling to sacrifice.

If these guys truly believe the stuff they claim to, they'll likely see time away from family as a sacrifice being made.

Difference being, you and your wife actually went and did something. These guys aren't going to do anything that will ever actually make a difference because they lack the kind of conviction required to accept the responsibility for the repercussions of those kind of actions.

The original 7 arrested were in court today.

Interestingly, only Ammon Bundy had his own lawyer. The other 6 were appointed public defenders. One of the big mysteries for me is how these people could afford to miss work for over a month to go camping when they are indigent.

As of now only 5 are left at the refuge; and they're trying to hold out until the FBI agrees not to hit one of them with the same felony charge the others have (there's already a warrant issued).

We will let you leave: we won't go!!!!!

Okay, now there are charges: please let us go!!!!

 Ouze wrote:
The original 7 arrested were in court today.

Interestingly, only Ammon Bundy had his own lawyer. The other 6 were appointed public defenders. One of the big mysteries for me is how these people could afford to miss work for over a month to go camping when they are indigent.

As of now only 5 are left at the refuge; and they're trying to hold out until the FBI agrees not to hit one of them with the same felony charge the others have (there's already a warrant issued).

Surely it's a bit of a mystery that other militias haven't rallied round with monetary contributions for the defence fund. Perhaps they don't believe in the government's tyrannical currency.

I'm delighted by possibility that in fact, the militants are flush with "money", but it's all Minuteman Dollars or bits of silver with eagles stamped into it, or cases of 5.56 ammunition that for some reason their freedom-hating lawyers won't accept.

I guess I don't know what the trade-in value is for a case of dildos.

It surely depends how "second hand" they are.

Throwing in a large tub of lube might help, though.

 Ouze wrote:
One of the big mysteries for me is how these people could afford to miss work for over a month to go camping when they are indigent.

You know what I haven't seen? The memes on Facebook wondering why these "protesters" don't have jobs to go to or families to support. I mean, when the Black Lives Matter people were doing their thing, my Facebook feed was full with idiotic memes saying that they had no jobs and should have their welfare benefits rescinded (because, you know, all black people are jobless and on welfare, according to all of my right wing totally not racist acquaintances).

Also, nice avatar, Ouze.

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I mean, when the Black Lives Matter people were doing their thing, my Facebook feed was full with idiotic memes...

That says quite a bit more about your Facebook choices than it does about meme creation bias.

 Breotan wrote:

 ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
I mean, when the Black Lives Matter people were doing their thing, my Facebook feed was full with idiotic memes...

That says quite a bit more about your Facebook choices than it does about meme creation bias.

I'm not sure that's true. I mean, I browse imgur at work when it's slow, and so it's divorced of any bias I have in terms of Facebook friend selection. I see lots of left wing stuff, lots of right wing stuff. When the Ferguson riots were happening, there were no shortage of memes around the looting of shoe stores and the remainder of work boots, that sort of stuff, but I really haven't seen much on Imgur other than people sending them dick shaped candy and so on.

We know for sure that Lavoy Finicum had 11 foster kids and he stated they were his primary form of income, and yet no one as far as I know has yet called him a welfare queen. At least a handful of the militants have been stated to be unemployed, including the newly unemployed one who skipped out on work so he could stand up for freedom (snicker).

Finicum estimates that over the past decade, more than 50 boys came through their ranch near Chino Valley, Arizona.

I bet they did.

 dogma wrote:

Finicum estimates that over the past decade, more than 50 boys came through their ranch near Chino Valley, Arizona.

I bet they did.

Burning a fellow while he's down. That's cold Dogma

 Ouze wrote:
Update from the Dildopolis: Welfare Rancher Queen Cliven Bundy has called on the holdouts to disband and leave. 3 of the holdouts have since surrendered and were charged with the rest of the militants.

No word on the status of the 55 gallon drum of lube.

Additionally, word on one of the militia's facebooks is reinforcements are inbound!

Spoiler:

It's fun to pretend sometimes, isn't it?

LOL
He'll be waiting a long time for the fake seals to show up and help. Retired navy seal, the goto pretend job of all those stealing valor. Don Shipley is going to have a field day with these clowns.

 Ouze wrote:


One of the big mysteries for me is how these people could afford to miss work for over a month to go camping when they are indigent.

At the risk of making unfair generalization, if you're the sort of person willing to do something crazy like squat in a government facility hoping to accomplish something as vague as 'restoring freedom to the American people', you probably don't exactly have a rewarding career.

Thats part of the scary bit though. The Brothers Bundy are both business owners (and as far as I know, they do okay for themselves). Several of the high profile guys in this mess are Vets and I think read somewhere one was still active duty.

A lot of them are basically welfare queens, free loaders, and squatters whose only real achievements are constant legal trouble, but it's not really feasible to write all of these yahoos off as people without jobs.

 LordofHats wrote:

Burning a fellow while he's down. That's cold Dogma

I was trying to stay away from the Catholic Charities connection.

 LordofHats wrote:
Thats part of the scary bit though. The Brothers Bundy are both business owners (and as far as I know, they do okay for themselves). Several of the high profile guys in this mess are Vets and I think read somewhere one was still active duty.

A lot of them are basically welfare queens, free loaders, and squatters whose only real achievements are constant legal trouble, but it's not really feasible to write all of these yahoos off as people without jobs.

Fair enough, I didn't know the bundies were business owners.

You know, I hope someone interviews one of the more lucid ones, or writes a book about their story. I'm really interested to know exactly they thought would happen here. I think they were wanting to spark some kind of second American revolution, but it seems like any non-insane person could reasonably point out that squatting in a shuttered ranger's office would be unlikely to accomplish that.

And I'd be interested to know what was going on in the past couple weeks inside. I mean, did they have doubts about their plan? Did they think that maybe this wasn't going their way?

 LordofHats wrote:
I think read somewhere one was still active duty.

Well if the military finds out someone active duty was involved with these gakkers I imagine the key word is going to be was.


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 Kap'n Krump wrote:
And I'd be interested to know what was going on in the past couple weeks inside. I mean, did they have doubts about their plan? Did they think that maybe this wasn't going their way?

My guess is situational homosexuality.

 Breotan wrote:
That says quite a bit more about your Facebook choices than it does about meme creation bias.

You're actually partially correct.

Unfortunately, I happen to know a lot of people who are racist as feth because unfortunately there's a lot of people in this country that are racist as feth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnMP7OsqWq8

Big tough guy yesterday, telling people to shoot the police and FBI at roadblocks and to come and join them, is today blubbing and crying, begging to be allowed to leave without the FBI bringing him in on a felony warrant, nor to search any of the people at the refuge, and basically pretend nothing actually happened at all.

They were just on a camping trip, honest!

Also, look at the state of mess they have made in the refuge. It's been turned into an absolute rubbish dump by these idiots.

The youtube channel "defendyourbase" is legit and is from one of the guys holed up there, David Fry. I think he has some actual mental health issues, and just wanted some people to actually acknowledge he exists. Thing is, the kinds of people he is holed up with wouldn't give a damn about him in any other circumstance. They are no real friends of his.

I might have to take a ride in the truck to save the 55 gal drum of lube. Would hate for it to go to waste.

If I was one of the remaining people left, I would gather up all the dildos, the 55 gal drum of lube, and whatever other sex toys were sent through, and then leave. Get out of the roadblock, head home, and set myself up as a dildo mega-store. Could even make patriot dildo packs of dildo + freedom lube, signed and numbered, and use the money to get your new life as a dildo king started.

Also, this was posted on a gun enthusiast forum. Turns out they hate these guy too