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Meowstalker wrote:
Something hot... ...

http://imgur.com/a/as5gv

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Man, these Ward saves are pretty hot. Hearthguard Bezerkers get a 4+ Ward if they are with 10" of a Fyreslayers Hero and Vulkite Bezerkers get a 4+ Ward when they have 20 or more models.

Dayum

 Orock wrote:
So did GW purpously make them larger than the old dwarf minis in the hopes we would look at our manlets compared to New glorious GW plastics and throw them in the trash to start over with these? Because it has the opposite effect for me. Instantly see dwarves as tall as old world humans and abandon any idea of adding them to my collection.

The new models for AoS are 32mm scale. But that is no reason to not use your existing stuff. Making newer kits is hardly the same as insisting that older ones are obsolete.

 Bottle wrote:

 Orock wrote:
So did GW purpously make them larger than the old dwarf minis in the hopes we would look at our manlets compared to New glorious GW plastics and throw them in the trash to start over with these? Because it has the opposite effect for me. Instantly see dwarves as tall as old world humans and abandon any idea of adding them to my collection.

They are the same size as some of the 8th Edition Dwarves. Take your salt elsewhere.

Nope. Thats cute though, kid. Keep on telling everyone with a different opinion about asthetics than yours they are salty though. GW can do no wrong.

Little bummed the units so far don't have any special weapons like all the Stormcast units. Are Grimwrath Berzerkers another build of the Vulkite or a unit that hasn't been shown yet?

The weak rumour I read was 3 more unit types. So Grimwrath + Battlesmiths + Auric Runesmiters could be it. Guessing the beast riders are Runesons?

 Orock wrote:

 Bottle wrote:

 Orock wrote:
So did GW purpously make them larger than the old dwarf minis in the hopes we would look at our manlets compared to New glorious GW plastics and throw them in the trash to start over with these? Because it has the opposite effect for me. Instantly see dwarves as tall as old world humans and abandon any idea of adding them to my collection.

They are the same size as some of the 8th Edition Dwarves. Take your salt elsewhere.

Nope. Thats cute though, kid. Keep on telling everyone with a different opinion about asthetics than yours they are salty though. GW can do no wrong.

What? I thought we were talking about the size of models. He's an 8th Edition Dwarf (Grimm Buroksson) on a 32mm. Looks to be the same size as the Fyreslayers.



8th Edition Dwarves are noticeably bigger then 7th Edition - but still look cohesive in a collection. Fyreslayers should fit in just fine too.

so all bases are now 32mm? for all AoS other than larger models? I dont want to order the wrong bases for conversion from square to round

thekingofkings wrote:
so all bases are now 32mm? for all AoS other than larger models? I dont want to order the wrong bases for conversion from square to round

No, only the newer models so far have been on 32mm bases. In shots with older models (like Skaven from the first AoS book), the Skaven were rebased on 25mm round bases. Remember, base size does not matter and is not used for anything in AoS. All measurements are taken from the model itself. Yeah, it was a little weird that my Skaven Greyseer was able to measure from his tattered robes that stick out like an inch from the rest of the model.

Personally, I like the larger base size as I really don't like it when my model "hangs over" the edge of a base.


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I can't believe that bare naked dwarves have a 5+ save, and a 4++ under the right circumstances, but only a bravery of 7? LOL

It's about what I thought- they move slow, but have a great save to enable them to get into close combat. Oh, and all the models have a ranged attack.

Auric Runemaster is a bit underwhelming compared to other named characters in AoS. The only reason to take him is the benefit he gives to other units. He doesn't even have a unique Command benefit! Very strange compared to other such characters.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

The guys with the halberds and flames on the heads... I hope those are flame throwers. If they are... oh boy. GW may have sold me on another army.

Well, they are not flame throwers, but that range and hitting a Monster... that is VERY nice. I dunno about everyone else, but in my meta, everyone takes 1-2 big critters and then a couple other things. The bane of my Stormcast Eternals is a stupid Ghoul King on Terrorgheist. I hate that guy! LOL

The Runemaster is a lot like the Stormcast Heraldor with his terrain attack. I think that move is quite powerful, though he's pretty weak in combat.

I'm expecting and hoping there will be a battle tome for these guys. The fluff has got me going, I love the theme of the lodges and patriarchal society and whatnot.

 Tamwulf wrote:

Auric Runemaster is a bit underwhelming compared to other named characters in AoS. The only reason to take him is the benefit he gives to other units. He doesn't even have a unique Command benefit! Very strange compared to other such characters.

Auric Runemaster is a title, not a name (although given some previous Dwarf named characters, easy mistake to make!).
They won't have a unique command ability because they're not supposed to lead, they're a benefit/key piece such as the Heraldor for Stormcast (as coldgaming said above).
Gives the Fyreslayers something akin to the Duardin grudge mechanic, and a neat toolbox ability to flush out terrain pieces.

The Runemaster rules looks so much fun, especially the Ur-Gold one your opponent gets to select. Brilliant, haha.

 jonolikespie wrote:
I was pretty excited when I first saw them. After looking at them properly though not very hyped at all.

That was my reaction too, and I feel that way even more when I see the large army shot =/. I can't believe GW didn't make the poses more varied / variable in a plastic kit...

The head plumes also bother me - compared to old Slayer mohawks, they just don't look like hair.

Finally, Bottle I've seen your pic but even if these are just a hair bigger than the last dwarf release, they will look very out of line with old dwarfs... I have FW chaos dwarfs and I think they're going to be, er... dwarfed by these.

I had hopes, but that's probably me moving on now - the dwarf release was what I was waiting for to see if I'd be tempted.

 Tamwulf wrote:

thekingofkings wrote:
so all bases are now 32mm? for all AoS other than larger models? I dont want to order the wrong bases for conversion from square to round

No, only the newer models so far have been on 32mm bases. In shots with older models (like Skaven from the first AoS book), the Skaven were rebased on 25mm round bases. Remember, base size does not matter and is not used for anything in AoS. All measurements are taken from the model itself. Yeah, it was a little weird that my Skaven Greyseer was able to measure from his tattered robes that stick out like an inch from the rest of the model.

Personally, I like the larger base size as I really don't like it when my model "hangs over" the edge of a base.


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I can't believe that bare naked dwarves have a 5+ save, and a 4++ under the right circumstances, but only a bravery of 7? LOL

It's about what I thought- they move slow, but have a great save to enable them to get into close combat. Oh, and all the models have a ranged attack.

Auric Runemaster is a bit underwhelming compared to other named characters in AoS. The only reason to take him is the benefit he gives to other units. He doesn't even have a unique Command benefit! Very strange compared to other such characters.


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 Tamwulf wrote:

The guys with the halberds and flames on the heads... I hope those are flame throwers. If they are... oh boy. GW may have sold me on another army.

Well, they are not flame throwers, but that range and hitting a Monster... that is VERY nice. I dunno about everyone else, but in my meta, everyone takes 1-2 big critters and then a couple other things. The bane of my Stormcast Eternals is a stupid Ghoul King on Terrorgheist. I hate that guy! LOL

asthetics are more important to me by base. but thanks for the info ( also secretly hoping they make bases matter in the future as the current measure from the model irritates me)

thekingofkings wrote:

asthetics are more important to me by base. but thanks for the info ( also secretly hoping they make bases matter in the future as the current measure from the model irritates me)

I think even the most ardent AoS fan would agree with you there; most have come to the conclusion it's a measure to accommodate square bases.

I like the Fyreslayers models, but my main excitement is the fluff. A lot of the criticism of AoS has been the setting and how all the releases so far have been magical creations, immortal ubermensch or endless legions.
Fyreslayers (despite the obvious similarities) *aren't* 'old' slayers, they're entirely a product of the Mortal Realms who didn't exist prior to Grimnir's death.
It'll be the first glance at what GW have got planned inside the realms.
That said, once I've got my Stormcast table-ready, I may well indulge in a small group of these.

Well, excited too. However, I'll not play Slayers in the new future.

RoperPG wrote:
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I think even the most ardent AoS fan would agree with you there

You know... I am okay with it

We have had quite a few games of AoS, and it has never come up as a problem during play. We have had some players come up with some theoretical problems (my guy has a really long staff, if he just turns round, it costs him 2", for example) but once models are on the table, we have found everything evens out. What you may gain on one hand (guy has long weapon so he gets to charge a little further) you lose on the other (that guy with the long weapon can get charged by more things).

YAAAAAAAY!!!!!! MOAR DWARFS!!!!!!!

Sprues are up on the website, they are monopose plastics.


Hell no, not at those prices.

I am max hype, I've loved Dwarf Slayers since I bought my first blister of slayer command when I was 14, and wished there were cooler looking plastics available. Flash forward I'm 28 and I get a whole army of them!

Now to decide if I want 30 or 60 on day one, depends how many lava bases I get finished by Friday.

saxx wrote:
I am max hype, I've loved Dwarf Slayers since I bought my first blister of slayer command when I was 14, and wished there were cooler looking plastics available. Flash forward I'm 28 and I get a whole army of them!

Now to decide if I want 30 or 60 on day one, depends how many lava bases I get finished by Friday.

Check the GW tutorials on youtube regarding the lava bases, they have come up with a really clever and fast way to do them!

Well if there was any doubt I would cave in and restart my dwarves, the prices killed that notion.

I'm sold on the new dwarves. The only kit I'm wouldn't be getting is the Priest - I can't go past the fact that he hasn't got a moustache :( . Otherwise - I'd get one of each. I like the pseudo nordic stuff going around them - hearthguardians, karls etc. The lore piece about hammering pieces of their god into them is also to my liking. All in all, a good solid release for me - (though not for other people I guess)

 CoreCommander wrote:
I'm sold on the new dwarves. The only kit I'm not getting is the Priest - I can't go past the fact that he hasn't got a moustache :( . Otherwise - one of each. I like the pseudo nordic stuff going around them - hearthguardians, karls etc. The lore piece about hammering pieces of their god into them is also to my liking. All in all, a good solid release for me - (though not for other people I guess)

On the moustache - this is mentioned in the current White Dwarf:

Auric Runmasters have very fine beards, no question, yet unlike most of their brethren they do shave, at least above the lip. Rumours they share heritage with similar fire-obsessed bearded folk from the world that was can't be true can they? Looking at the Zharrgrim priesthood, we aren't so sure.....

The beards do look very Chaos Dwarf especially in the pic they show with the quote.................

Reading the White Dwarf now and I am liking the fluff! It's not too in depth but the little hints make the Mortal Realms feel so much more ALIVE all of a sudden!

 CoreCommander wrote:
I'm sold on the new dwarves. The only kit I'm not getting is the Priest - I can't go past the fact that he hasn't got a moustache :( . Otherwise - one of each. I like the pseudo nordic stuff going around them - hearthguardians, karls etc. The lore piece about hammering pieces of their god into them is also to my liking. All in all, a good solid release for me - (though not for other people I guess)

While I'm happy to see that yes, there are actual mortal people still around, and while I even find the fluff a bit interesting, the prices are once again just too high for me. All the genuinely new releases have been that way.

Saw them in person today, and I've got to say folks will not be disappointed with the sculpts. The dragons and riders especially are very very solid looking fethers. You get a feeling of real weight and menace in the pose.
I dint know how to explain it, they look like they're heavy. The stances.

I get that chunky feel too and it's what draws me to them. The video on WarhammerTV really sold me. Definitely agreed all the new releases are pricey, and for both these and Stormcast I've felt like they should have nudged the # per box up a tad on the basic unit. Still, I see a slowly developing Fyreslayer army in my future. Hope they get a box akin to the expansion sets for Stormcast and Bloodbound.

Its hard to be hyped about a more expensive, worse version of something someone else already makes which has sadly overtaken the original.

I have changed my mind and decided I am getting the Vulkite Bezerkers. Just love the guys with shields too much!

Well, I like the look of the models.
But I won't start them. They are too slow for my liking.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Well, I like the look of the models.
But I won't start them. They are too slow for my liking.

This guy can help with that.