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Well, the compendiums are a great value, and, hopefully, once you read them you'll realize what a great series this is. Also, hopefully, the OLGS will then have the TWD boardgame at a good price during a sale!

I've got a huge stack of those new Dredd reprint hardcovers to read first. At least 10 volumes now... I'm more likely to get around to watching the show first. Probably better done that way to avoid "hey, he should't be doing that" moments...

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The Walking Dead: All Out War is a boxed miniature-based wargame including 20 highly detailed collectible figurines plus game components such as character cards, equipment and loot cards, event cards, game dice with custom symbols, templates, mat and more - everything you need to play in one simple set.

That mat is tiny.

I'm more concerned with them saying that the game runs well with about 10 models per side and the starter set only has 6 survivors.

Let's hope the stretch goals include extra models.

$50 Game 20 models.
Kickstarter ALL IN suppossed to be between $125-$150.

I'm guessing we are buying the extra survivor packs with the extra cash.

6 survivors for a two player game seems to be pretty weak.

Of course they are only showing 18 figures as well...

Contents may not be terrible for a $50 game especially if that's a rubber mouse mat thing, though don't appear to be phenomenal either. Rather curious as to what else they're going to show opening day to get people to pledge the hundred bucks or whatever.

They will probably triple that amount of models (at least) by the end of the KS. How else can they justify a single 100$ pledge level for a 50$ MSRP game?

 Azazelx wrote:
I'm more likely to get around to watching the show first. Probably better done that way to avoid "hey, he should't be doing that" moments...

True. While the tv series goes in a different direction from the comics, it definitely has its "shouldn't* scenes. I hear Season 2 is particularly "shouldn't"!




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 Nostromodamus wrote:
That mat is tiny.

Could be to force confrontation to avoid a long game (at least long by casual gamer standards...).

Deadzone was supposedly small to make the game claustrophobic.

If that zombie kill radius thing is as big as a 5" gw blast template then it would be nightly claustrophobic indeed!

The mat is sure to be paper in the retail version of the game. Maybe KS will get a mousepad type material as well as the included paper.

 adamsouza wrote:
I'm more concerned with them saying that the game runs well with about 10 models per side and the starter set only has 6 survivors.

Let's hope the stretch goals include extra models.

$50 Game 20 models.
Kickstarter ALL IN suppossed to be between $125-$150.

I'm guessing we are buying the extra survivor packs with the extra cash.

Yup, I'd agree. Mantic's character price point via KS for their KoW/DZ/WP characters tends to run $8-10, so expect that to be inflated a little more in this for the KS price, being a licenced game. Say priced at "$10" ea in the KS bundle each for a bunch of blistered heroes/characters with stat card and a "RRP" of $15 or even $20 (Based on £10/ea). Maybe a couple of other things that seem like comparatively good value compared to pricey individual heroes (zombie packs or whatever). Plus postage added on, post-KS.

For £35 that's a ok buy, for £70 not a chance is it going to be worth it. And if they front the current content's for £70 then this is going to struggle.... Oh and I see they are going to be using cards, this js Mantic so the cards are going to bd thin enough to blow your nose with...

Who is the old man? Is that Rick?

I assume it is Rick, the card art has him with a beard though...

The initial set does seem paltry by Mantic standards so expect (some call them fake) stretch goals agogo.

For $120-150 buy-in and a stated RRP of $50, it'll have to be an interesting set-up compared to the usual. Surely they'll have to start with a lot of what we'd usually call stretch goals in place?

Can they get away with asking $120-150 and saying "it'll be a great deal if enough of you just plonk your money down"? I'm not particularly interested in backing this campaign due to no engagement with TWD at this point, but I'm certainly interested to see how it all goes down.

Maybe a healthy supply of red brick battlezones?

Limited edition grey brick KS exclusive battlezones?

At a loss as well trying to figure out how they're going to explain the price discrepancies.

There are quite a few different products planned for launch / just after launch so I would expect the pledge level to include (before stretch goals) the base game, a group expansion (5 or 6 characters plus some an exclusive zombie to allow two players to field proper size groups) and several mini expansions (I remember them saying these would contain a big name character, small name character, exclusive zombie and some cards). Then stretch goals would build it up from there.

Unless you have £70 worth of goods straight of the bat people who are not familiar or know how Mantic runs their KS will take one look and walk on by.

That's why I expect that the KS bundle will start off with a fair few more characters "valued at $X each" and probably some of the Mars Attacks brick ruins. And some more walkers. Ten additional character models with their cards. Value them at $15 each (based on X-wing ship prices) and you'e added $150 of "value" to the KS. Core Game at $50, a 6-pack of walkers for another $20, add in a (renamed) Mars Attacks scenery upgrade pack (RRP $40) and you've now got $260 of "value" for the $130-150 buy-in.

If you think about it, it's not hard to come up with a bunch of additional characters. They're calling them "highly collectable", so that indicates a Pokemon attitude to selling them as individuals - probably with several waves of additional characters, beginning with a few on the game's release and then every month (or whatever the new release cycle is).

That'll be part of the pitch as well "get all of these characters well before they come to retail".

There are supposedly upwards of 120 sculpts too...

In the range, not sure they'd all be in KS, supposedly some things will go straight to retail.

But I think we'll have 'just got out of hospital' Rick, and 'grizzled apparently missing a hand' Rick, and so on.

My only disappointment with The Walking Dead license is we won't see a lot of crazy style zombies that you tend to see in more fantastical takes on zombie outbreaks.

I do hope we at least see a bit of variety in zombie sculpt size and shape.

OK, scratch "Pokemon attitude" and substitute "Hasbro attitude".

I'm just kind of somewhat interested because my wife loves both the comic, which i think is lame(tho, tbh, the only comic i ever liked was judge dredd, which i've been a fan of since about '83)and the movie, which i think is stupid.
Having said that, this box set looks comical. mean to say, i would assume mantic would show its best effort, here.
If thats their best, LOL.

I imagine that the price point is affected somewhat by being a licenced product. TWD is a lot more popular than Mars Attacks, so the licence fees would likely be a fair bit higher. I imagine that the limited number of models in the core box are a result of several factors - not wanting to overwhelm new "non-gamer" players with too many of their characters while at the same time having enough of them to allow for a relatively short game, so as not to be overwhelming with either time needed or rules knowledge. (Imagine picking up 40k for the first time as a casual non-gamer).

Related to that, there's also finding the minimum number of models you can include in the set and still have it potentially sell decently. Because the after-box sales "DLC" are where the gravy keeps on coming in...

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
My only disappointment with The Walking Dead license is we won't see a lot of crazy style zombies that you tend to see in more fantastical takes on zombie outbreaks.

Eh, just substitute your own hoard of zombies into the game!

As for pledge pricing, I'm wondering if they're going to "put miniatures back in the box" like they did with Dungeon Saga, whose base pledge without the SG's was underwhelming for the $100 they were asking for.

I'd think that, while licensing increases the up front costs of the project, that these costs would be spread out over the larger number of units made over the lifetime of the boardgame product line. OTOH, FFG lost the StarCraft license to make the boardgame, because Hasbro wanted to make a Monopoly version, so...

 GrimDork wrote:
There are supposedly upwards of 120 sculpts too... In the range, not sure they'd all be in KS, supposedly some things will go straight to retail.

Pretty sure it wasn mentioned that the single KS pledge level was to include everything OTHER than the contents of the retail exclusive pack, and that you ware correct about the 120 sculpts number being thrown around. So, are we looking at almost 100 survivors to choose from ?

I also imagine they'll likely double the amount of survivors, and possibely zombies as well, in the main box before the conclusion of the Kickstarter

Well remember the zombies. 120 sculpts and more than one of the main characters...sure. But I'm guessing at least half the sculpts are zombies. If not more.

I would say about a third will be zombies rather than half as it seems a variety of human crew members is more important and I suspect we will be getting several copies of some of them (I believe I have seen one of the sculptors comment on at least a second, slightly older, Carl).

The core set definitely needs some new zombie sculpts as looks like only 2 for 12 zombies.

And quite possibly the crew as zombies (depending on how the rules handle those who fall victim to the hordes of the infected)