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@ Aussie Ax3 - the pledge level will ship all in wave 1 and there is a postage charge for that.

If we get to the point where there is a wave 2 add-on, then there is a postage charge for that too.

so as long aren't getting add ons (which the way the value looks on this might well not be reached anyway) everything will be wave 1 and not attract extra shipping

If they reach the stage of offering add ons then yes there will be extra shipping to pay

I'll bet my pledge value in US dollars they offer add ons.

Aeneades wrote:
Yeah. Definitely not $125 of products in there even at retail prices. Would estimate it be a little under $100. Stretch goals will fix it but still not good form.

That's the concern. 125$ plus P&P x 2 (2 waves) is $155 for the USA, currently you've got base game ($50) and an expansion (lets say $35) MSRP. A KS exclusive dice bag and sheriffs badge is neither here nor there, but let's call that $15 MSRP. So $100, that with normal discounts is more like $75 retail. For $155.

Stretch goals are gonna have to more than double the current offering to just break even with retail, never mind get a discount for putting your money down 6 months in advance. Which they very well may do, Mantic do start low and add alot, but there's a real danger of having pledges that are only going to stick if those big extral value goals are met - if they're not, they'll start losing backers, which is a vicious circle.

@ Orlando - that's how it reads to me.

Pledge is Wave 1

Any add-ons in Wave 2.

@ Aeneades

No, it's definitely over $100. Base Camp, expansion, kickstarter exclusive figure, ks box, dice set and dice bag. Definitely over $115 to start with.

In for an EB for now. I think the game looks good, and I liked my Dungeon Saga minis so I'm sure these will come out good too.

Mantic claim the pledge level is already worth it because of the KS exclusive items.

They sure do put a lot of value in that sheriff badge, don't they?

The sheriff badge that you can buy with the Mantic Points you'd get by buying these things retail!

After Dungeon Saga, I really want to see what the packaging situation is here. It's sort of okay to have a tabletop warfare miniatures being delivered without packaging, but boardgames are designed to sit on your shelf, with everything you need inside. I'm sick of having all this stuff in cheap anonymous brown boxes.

Yeah, the badge may be of worth to hardcore Walking Dead fans, to me it is something that never gets used and likely gets tossed or given away. Obviously I am not the target audience for it, but for me it adds no value to the pledge at all.

Welp, thank goodness this isn't a Fallout license.

I think my money will serve me better in the Warpath pledge manager.

 Bioptic wrote:
It's sort of okay to have a tabletop warfare miniatures being delivered without packaging, but boardgames are designed to sit on your shelf, with everything you need inside. I'm sick of having all this stuff in cheap anonymous brown boxes.

They already stated it will be tossed into a box, no retail packaging. Of course, they would also argue it is a wargame, not a board game. But I suspect the retail packaging is going to be pretty cool so waiting to get expansions via retail may be worth doing (probably get them cheaper too once shipping is factored in).

I was hoping for something more than a 2" x 2" gaming area - unless that's something that is possible too, within the rules?

Can't see the value in it at the moment, not if the base game is only going to be $50 retail (which is excellent value imo). The extra stuff so far looks well short of the extra $75. Obviously that will probably change as the KS goes, but you normally expect the initial pledge to be pretty much retail value, whereas at the moment it looks like they've bundled in a gakky dicebag and dice and are forcing everyone to pay retail for them.

 Alpharius wrote:
I was hoping for something more than a 2" x 2" gaming area - unless that's something that is possible too, within the rules?

It is more than 2"x2", it is 2'x2'


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BigOscar wrote:
The extra stuff so far looks well short of the extra $75.

But dat KS exclusive sheriff badge tho!

Mantic says no plan to upgrade the mats.

I'm a bit curious as to how they are going to packed a 2 foot by 2 foot paper mat into a box and not have it be a creased mess with massive fold lines that won't lay flat?

It said it comes with a collectors edition game box, guessing it's going to be a dungeon saga book-box kinda thing?

I'm pretty disappointed in this KS, both from the perspective of a potential tabletop purchaser and from that of a comic book fan.

The core game should be shipping with Rick, Carl, Shane, Glenn and Dale at the very least, as well as the usual zombie/antagonist characters. Derek doesn't even appear in Atlanta, he's much further on in the Alexandria arc - the other three I cannot recall appearing at all. I'm familiar with how KS works with regards to the unlocking of tiers, but man, it still seems like a completely missed opportunity.

Poor.

Is that Atlanta Walker SG just for 1 mini?

I can't see this doing very well even if they up the model count significantly... it's even worse than Dungeon Saga was originally.

Is there any other wargame out there that uses 2x2 as a standard game size ? Some use that size for demo games like X-Wing and Guildball, but not for a standard game.

Mantic are asking why people are under the impression that the expansion is not "complete".

Well, maybe something to do with the blacked-out silhouettes that bear the legend "to be unlocked"...

MaxT wrote:
Is there any other wargame out there that uses 2x2 as a standard game size ? Some use that size for demo games like X-Wing and Guildball, but not for a standard game.

Bushido uses 2'x2' which is a stunningly good game (actually surprised Dakka doesn't cover it as the regular releases get mentioned on BoW all the time). But then depending on factions model count for each side is roughly 6. As I mentioned before they went with the regular KS format, I don't expect this to do particularly great, I'll be waiting for retail or one of Mantics sales.

Worth remembering this isn't even 2'x2' it's 20"x20"

Shane, Reggie and the walker make up a retail equivalent blister set £12.50/$20 for $50k funding that will be down to $15k by the mid point lull.

In for an EB for now but seriously underwhelmed by what's on offer. The 3D barricades and cars are a must for me to add value.I can't see this being $1 million + even with the license. I'll hang to the last day but Warlord are more likely to be getting the money instead.

Hmmm it looks like hordes of zombies aren't really a thing here (it really depends how many survivors you get for 150pts)

Each Walker is 15 points. If you and your opponent play a 150pt game, where you both take 150pts of survivors and equipment, you play with 150pts of Walker (i.e. 10). If you play a bigger game, you will play with more Walkers

 DaveC wrote:
Worth remembering this isn't even 2'x2' it's 20"x20"

Their pledge graphic says 2'x2'.

Oh OK then Ronnie said 20"x20" in the BoW interview either they changed it or 20"x20" is close enough to call it 2x2

EDIT it's in the blog FAQ https://manticblog.com/2016/01/15/walking-dead-interview-ronnie-renton-faq/

The mat in the boxed game is 20” x 20” (52cm by 52cm), so a little smaller than the 2’x2’ used for Deadzone.

overtyrant wrote:

MaxT wrote:
Is there any other wargame out there that uses 2x2 as a standard game size ? Some use that size for demo games like X-Wing and Guildball, but not for a standard game.

Bushido uses 2'x2' which is a stunningly good game (actually surprised Dakka doesn't cover it as the regular releases get mentioned on BoW all the time). But then depending on factions model count for each side is roughly 6. As I mentioned before they went with the regular KS format, I don't expect this to do particularly great, I'll be waiting for retail or one of Mantics sales.

Cheers, i've seen that game before but didn't notice the table size. Thanks.

So it's not even 2x2. You're not going to be using hordes of Zombies simply because you can't fit many onto a 20"x20" while leaving any space for movement.

Mantic just said rubber mats will be available at retail.

Meh, looking at it and even being a huge fan of TWD...meh.

Unless it's a 5" x 5" retail box, the difference between 20 x 20 and 24 x 24 is so negligible that I wonder why Mantic even bothered to opt for the smaller size.. unless they wanted to own the market on mats that can be used for the game..

 Hulksmash wrote:
Meh, looking at it and even being a huge fan of TWD...meh.

Pretty much this, and with the state of how Mantic KS arrives and things like QC and how missing pledges (my mate finally received his DS pledge the other day and it was all wrong and is still waiting on hus KoW pledge!) are dealt with they have lost me and my gaming group as KS backers.