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But that sounds entirely plausible.

The cycnicism is strong with this one

Produce and release the game with enough content so people will feel it is worth buying and then expand from that. Kickstarter is probably not the proper platform to advertise to most of the TWD fans anyway. Comic books, affiliated websites, gaming communities - after you have made a product to offer.

I've not followed the comics, so when is the next one out? wonder if it will have the kickstarter advert in it.

Issue 152 is apparently out March 2nd.

I think "get the edge over tournament players" is about the least charitable interpretation of that comment possible, though! Surely it's no different from saying "we're delivering two expansions with your Kickstarter pledge before they hit retail, so you have more options right from the start"? The incentive is getting more stuff early, not having an advantage. People with a Kickstarter pledge are going to have enough models to populate a 2-player game anyway.

I agree that the distribution of item cards is currently not exactly generous. You'd expect to have enough generic equipment in the base game to equip your survivor's group with an array of different standard options, and gear with characters could be the more specialist or character-specific stuff. But you get...8.

The "collectible" nature of the cards is somewhat off-putting, can see myself ignoring that element of the game, and simply proxying the cards.

It's a wargame, not a CCG, I'm not buying a $20 booster to get a second copy of a "rare" equipment card. Cards are gameplay aids, not gameplay elements.

This is an example of why stat cards can be a bad thing, as convenient as they are for gameplay, they shouldn't be the only source of the rules, the book should list a table of weapons with their stats and special rules too, or a free .pdf of the cards should be made available.

I guess the main reason it is done is to prevent people from playing the game using miniatures produced by other companies, since you won't get the rules if you don't buy that specific mini.

 scarletsquig wrote:

I guess the main reason it is done is to prevent people from playing the game using miniatures produced by other companies, since you won't get the rules if you don't buy that specific mini.

Mantic sems to not want to provide 'generic' survivor cards, which is another indicator they want players to use Mantic figures.


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Someone on LAF made up these using Warlord (ex-Wargames Factory) Survivor sprues:



http://www.lead-adventure.de/index.php?topic=87147.0

Extra shipping charges for wave 2 have now been abolished!

 Slinky wrote:
Extra shipping charges for wave 2 have now been abolished!

And wave 1 shipping has been increased.

Yep shipping has increased by 50%

United Kingdom: $12

European Union: $18

United States and Canada: $20

Rest of World*: $35

The Greene Farm Expansion and the second phase of miniature boosters are a new-but-unplanned addition to the Something to Fear pledge level. They were originally intended to be an add-on, and as such will take longer to ship. They will come in a second wave package. We will not charge a second shipping fee for this, though there will be a slight increase to the Shipping Wave 1 fee, this has been updated on the front page.

This also has the added benefit in that we are also getting rid of the Shipping Wave 2 shipping costs entirely – they’ve now been removed from the front page. So if you’ve pledged for a Scenery Booster you no longer have any extra shipping to pay on the pledge manager

And that goes the same for any future expansion add-on too! ☺ Just one shipping fee to cover everything.

Took them awhile to realise that (potential) backers feel that the initial offering was gak ful and that their wave postage costs being an unknown quantity were hurting them. Of course, Shipping costs on WP aren't helping them, either.

Took them awhile to realise that (potential) backers feel that the initial offering was gak ful and that their wave postage costs being an unknown quantity were hurting them. Of course, Shipping costs on WP aren't helping them, either.

Wave 2 shipping was on the front page since the add-on was up. It wasn't an unknown...

Yep shipping has increased by 50%

They are giving an expansion that's retailing for $40 for free. More than makes up for the $4 shipping increase that also covers shipping of any future add-ons.

Note that shipping charges above are estimates and are subject to change.

The shipping is obviously an unknown, especially considering how it's gone with some of Mantic's other kickstarters.

Nothing they said means they are charging any less for shipping. They are just only charging you once instead of twice, since now everybody will have things in wave 2. Assuming they make that stretch goal.

And nobody would buy an expansion with two miniatures for $40.

So at $300k we fund part of the expansion, $310k starts to fill out that expansion by putting Glen into it. Think it will complete by $350 (another character and a zombie)?

 DaveC wrote:
Yep shipping has increased by 50%

United Kingdom: $12

European Union: $18

United States and Canada: $20

Rest of World*: $35

Are they the increases or the actual estimated shipping costs? If they are the estimated shipping costs then they're not actually that bad. I've been stung alot worse from KS from the US of A and kinda the reason why I rarely back KS from that part of the world. (still not backing this one though)

Pretty clear to me. There are four different locations, 4 different values.

The UK Wave 2 shipping was $8 but Wave 1 has also increased by $4, and they've stated there's no additional shipping to pay.

I don't think anyone sensible thinks it's going to finish with only 2 minis...just like no-one thought the pledge level was going to finish with 22 miniatures.

The Atlanta expansion has 6 figures for $40 where as the Hershals Farm expansion only has 2 for the same price. Guess we have quite a few stretch goals coming up to bring them in line.

They could do with adding the first proper addon sooner rather than later to help reach a few of these goals and make the campaign more attractive to potential backers.

 Black Nexus wrote:

I don't think anyone sensible thinks it's going to finish with only 2 minis...just like no-one thought the pledge level was going to finish with 22 miniatures.

That's part of the problem. All the sensible people see that Mantic is playing false stretch goals with only having two in the box. I guess we will see when this hits retail if the expansion only comes with those 2 models or if it comes with 6 or more. Mantic keeps playing silly games, lets just see what we are really getting and then we will decide if it's worth it or not.

The comments section is still talking about how these were great "stretch goals", but they are also calling Mantic out on them saying that they were also always planned as part of the original pledge amount. Mantic creator is saying no, these are actual stretch goals and we've already given you more than we expected too. No value here, move along

 Black Nexus wrote:


They are giving an expansion that's retailing for $40 for free. More than makes up for the $4 shipping increase that also covers shipping of any future add-ons.

$40 for a few pieces of card, 2 boardgame plastic 30mm figures and a paper mat?
Sheesh.

I seem to remember a day when Mantic were value for money - even if it was restic models.


As for all the people thinking that the TV show returning will cause a boost.
Really?
I don't sit down to watch a TV show in an evening, then afterwards think... "hey, I know... I wonder if there's a kickstarter game of this TV show. I'll just go and look..."
:-(

If Mantic really had planned this out well a few months ago, there would have been an advert in TWD comic # 151 in anticipation. There wasn't. Nor will one in #152 be any use as the KS will have ended. So much for working well with Skybound/Image comics.

This entire awful thread has been worth it to see that awesome Michone (and company) conversion. Just need to source a katana...

Also, ffg style releases without nice prepaints or nearly timeless IP...not inspiring of confidence

The show returning could only bring a bump from the people who are ultra fanatics and go to podcasts and blogs before and after the show for more info. That's why they are trying to get on "The Talking Dead", but highly unlikely.

As for this Kickstarter.....
It reminded me of
https://www.youtube.com/embed/TPc4icFIo8U?autoplay=1&FORM=VIRE1

At the end of the day its mostly about the minis for me and these in all honesty are not particularly interesting. With the market jam packed with cool zeds and survivors I struggle to find this project appealing. In fact Mantic first fantasy undead miniatures are actually better than these fatso, bubblehead caricatures.

To be honest, it's not that ridiculously farfetched of an idea (well, maybe it is, considering Mantic's ability to organise things...)

Chris Hardwick, host of the Talking Dead founded Nerdist who, along with GeekAndSundry do a lot of tabletop gaming stuff.

 GrimDork wrote:
This entire awful thread has been worth it to see that awesome Michone (and company) conversion. Just need to source a katana...

Also, ffg style releases without nice prepaints or nearly timeless IP...not inspiring of confidence

Looks like a katana on the biker sprue.

The one thing I'd like to do with this is try painting all the minis in Black and white and photocopying the play board in B&W.

I'm a huge fan of the comic, but for some reason the look of the game isn't doing anything for me.
I might look at picking up a copy at retail.

While I certainly hope the Greene Farm expansion will come with more figures, the 2 figures, rules, and some cardstock has been done before.

Dust Tactics had a half dozen box sets that were just some rules, some card tiles, and 2 figures.
Operation Cyclone Campaign Expansion (2 models) $39.95
Operation SeeLowe Campaign Expansion (2 models) $39.95
Operation Cerberus Campaign Expansion (2 models) $44.95
Operation Icarus Campaign Expansion (2 models) $44.95
Operation Hades Campaign Expansion (1 model) $44.95
Operation Zverograd Campaign Expansion (2 models + terrain) $44.95

 GrimDork wrote:
This entire awful thread has been worth it to see that awesome Michone (and company) conversion. Just need to source a katana...

Suetonius Paullinus wrote:The only 'conversions' I did were the hat and pistol for Carl (female survivors) and Michonne's katana (WGF's samurai warriors).
So yes, extremely easy and I think WGF had TWD in mind when designing this range of figures. I certainly wouldn't be surprised if one of the bikers would make a really good Daryl impression Wink

In any case..you gotta love multipart hard plastics!

Cheers

SP

And Dust Tactics ended up being a staple of clearance sales and never gained the player base it perhaps could have.

Not sure that's something anyone should try to emulate.

They may not be trying to emulate Dust but if Mars Attacks is any guide to how this one will wind up....

Yeah, not seeing the value or much appeal. The zombie schtick is pretty tired by now; TWD franchise isn't enough this late in the game. Especially when it's not capitalizing on the TV show. I am having a hard time trying to see why someone would want to buy in on these mediocre sculpts rather than play something like ATZ and use whatever they have.

Those Project Z not-Walking Dead look good. That looks like a project with potential!

I'm still trying to figure out why people are buying Mantic stuff at KS prices when you know it's going to be in the clearance section 3 months after release..

As for "collectability"...

I'm looking at the IA ally and villain packs, and, it's obvious some packs will be more popular than others, meaning that you will have SW fans who will buy the Chewbacca, Han Solo, C3PO and R2D2, and Princess Leia packs, but not the army packs. On top of this, unlike TWD, IA is both a one-vs-many "dungeoncrawl" game, as well as a skirmish game.

TWD, meanwhile, will be selling packs of individual characters or a character and another less popular figure. Were there really TWD characters (besides Michonne) that were THAT obviously more popular than others? Sure, the characters from the series will sell more than, say, generic packs of zombies and gangers, but I can't see someone buying Glenn but not Amy. Hopefully, the packs will sell related characters, such as Glenn and Maggie, at least. But I'm pretty turned off at how piecemeal Mantic is packaging its products (including a core set with only Rick and Carl and not even any baddies that were popular) and I'm not seeing "value" in this $40 expansion with so few miniatures.

fwiw, Tannhauser released individual figure packs (prepainted!) and that didn't work well, either.