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I'm kind of glad the Vocal Minority is currently howling for rubber mats. When you look at the much less than impressive 'bump' the first rubber mat add on got them, it seems pretty silly to waste resources producing them when they could make more game content, but....

No way I'll pledge for them, especially not having any idea what they even look like, and incur the shipping costs. However, when I can get them for $20 each shipped later from a retailer I may pick some up depending on the designs.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Who the feth is Craig? Wheres the feth is the Governor and Negan?

Craig is one of the gang who try to rape Carl in issue 57.

The Governor is already in the Woodbury addon in his mutilated form. The regular Governor will not be appearing in the campaign (which is a surprise as he is already sculpted but he may be one of the retail only packs to help support retails).

Negan wont be appearing as this campaign is only covering up to the end of the Woodbury / Prison storyline (I know that the gang from the starter and Craig appear later in the comics but looks like they are only here to help bulk out the evil gang options which is quite light at the moment).

Aeneades wrote:

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Who the feth is Craig? Wheres the feth is the Governor and Negan?

Craig is one of the gang who try to rape Carl in issue 57.

The Governor is already in the Woodbury addon in his mutilated form. The regular Governor will not be appearing in the campaign (which is a surprise as he is already sculpted but he may be one of the retail only packs to help support retails).

Negan wont be appearing as this campaign is only covering up to the end of the Woodbury / Prison storyline (I know that the gang from the starter and Craig appear later in the comics but looks like they are only here to help bulk out the evil gang options which is quite light at the moment).

Didnt realise they had names. Are they canon or did Mantic invent them?

I think I saw that part in the TV show, though they looked entirely different. Are they the same ones that Daryl traveled with for a few days?


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Newest update says soon they'll reintroduce the 'get yourself as a walker' pledge in limited quantity of 3 for a reduced price of 1750 ( it was 5000 before? I dint remmeber, pretty sure it was higher). Also 3x available painted pledges for the same $1750. Something to fear + main two expansions painted to tabletop standard. Dunno how that compares to proper painting services. $1500 to paint 70something minis to tabletop standard?

Meh slmaybe someone will snap those all up and they'll get a boost.

 GrimDork wrote:
I think I saw that part in the TV show, though they looked entirely different. Are they the same ones that Daryl traveled with force few days?

Yes, though the TV show differs quite a lot. In the comics there was no characterization, we didn't really learn anything about them, not even their names, as there was no comic book counterpart to Daryl joining them and traveling with them temporarily. Daryl has no counterpart in the comics.

Yeah, I knew as much, I guess I meant to ask if they were meant to be the same group as the one I recognized from the TV show, obviously sans Daryl.

 Shadow Captain Edithae wrote:
Didnt realise they had names. Are they canon or did Mantic invent them?

Invented. Or at least not canon. Read the TWD wiki link I posted.

The have a walker designed like you pledge was $7500. Guess they are getting 1/4 of the total they thought they would so now they'll ask for 1/4 of what they wanted .

https://manticblog.com/2016/02/26/15294/

Mantic wrote: Competitive gaming – we are intending to have a tournament scene for this game – I think the small size of the forces and the way that they are collected make it perfectly suited. We’ve designed an Organized Play kit to be sent out to all the stores, with exclusive prizes and cool stuff, and we will host events everywhere that we can :-).

Mantic "intend" for a lot of things, though. Many of which end up forgotten and abandoned after a couple of months...

http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control.html

 Azazelx wrote:
Mantic "intend" for a lot of things, though. Many of which end up forgotten and abandoned after a couple of months...

http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control.html

Thier ability to create games and ship them efficiently are two different matters.

Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

League play is exactly what they need to keep retailers happy and sales up. It's a good move.

 adamsouza wrote:
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

Really?

 Baragash wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

Really?

I think it was intended as a compliment. As I read it, even Mantic's weakest offerings are solid, enjoyable experiences.

And to be fair, every company has projects that are better and worse representatives of what they do. Hell, I worked on Deadzone originally and acknowledge its faults, whereas games like Kings of War, and Dreadball are STELLAR.

Okay then, I fully take back everything I said about the cards not mattering because tournament play wouldn't be the focus! It does even more strongly link their strategy to mimicking FFG games though, and I probably would in that position, considering the success they have enjoyed.

I've noticed that almost 1/3rd of backers are from UK - I wonder if the extremely weak pound vs. the dollar is causing people to have second thoughts in the runup to the end? I'm certainly wondering if I shouldn't just wait for the add-ons, since either the pound will be in a better state come pledge manager time, or Britain's economy will have imploded and Mantic won't be making the game!

 Bioptic wrote:
Okay then, I fully take back everything I said about the cards not mattering because tournament play wouldn't be the focus! It does even more strongly link their strategy to mimicking FFG games though, and I probably would in that position, considering the success they have enjoyed.

I've noticed that almost 1/3rd of backers are from UK - I wonder if the extremely weak pound vs. the dollar is causing people to have second thoughts in the runup to the end? I'm certainly wondering if I shouldn't just wait for the add-ons, since either the pound will be in a better state come pledge manager time, or Britain's economy will have imploded and Mantic won't be making the game!

I'm not from England, so forgive the neive question, but do they get The Walking Dead TV show? Is it as big over there as over here? Are the Comics available there more easily so that causes the focus of this being a comic based license to be more appealing? Or is it just that we Americans have access to more discounters after a game hits the market that we will wait to see how it all pans out and get it cheaper later.

The TV show is huge here in Sweden, I'd imagine in England too. This is the internet age after all, everyone watches everything.

 Theophony wrote:

 Bioptic wrote:
Okay then, I fully take back everything I said about the cards not mattering because tournament play wouldn't be the focus! It does even more strongly link their strategy to mimicking FFG games though, and I probably would in that position, considering the success they have enjoyed.

I've noticed that almost 1/3rd of backers are from UK - I wonder if the extremely weak pound vs. the dollar is causing people to have second thoughts in the runup to the end? I'm certainly wondering if I shouldn't just wait for the add-ons, since either the pound will be in a better state come pledge manager time, or Britain's economy will have imploded and Mantic won't be making the game!

I'm not from England, so forgive the neive question, but do they get The Walking Dead TV show? Is it as big over there as over here? Are the Comics available there more easily so that causes the focus of this being a comic based license to be more appealing? Or is it just that we Americans have access to more discounters after a game hits the market that we will wait to see how it all pans out and get it cheaper later.

It's big everywhere, even in Japan:

Thanks Agnosto, I needed that laugh

 Theophony wrote:
Thanks Agnosto, I needed that laugh

lol. He's holding the fan wrong.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

Really?

I think it was intended as a compliment. As I read it, even Mantic's weakest offerings are solid, enjoyable experiences.

And to be fair, every company has projects that are better and worse representatives of what they do. Hell, I worked on Deadzone originally and acknowledge its faults, whereas games like Kings of War, and Dreadball are STELLAR.

Yes, it was meant as a compliment.

 Theophony wrote:

 Bioptic wrote:
Okay then, I fully take back everything I said about the cards not mattering because tournament play wouldn't be the focus! It does even more strongly link their strategy to mimicking FFG games though, and I probably would in that position, considering the success they have enjoyed.

I've noticed that almost 1/3rd of backers are from UK - I wonder if the extremely weak pound vs. the dollar is causing people to have second thoughts in the runup to the end? I'm certainly wondering if I shouldn't just wait for the add-ons, since either the pound will be in a better state come pledge manager time, or Britain's economy will have imploded and Mantic won't be making the game!

I'm not from England, so forgive the neive question, but do they get The Walking Dead TV show? Is it as big over there as over here? Are the Comics available there more easily so that causes the focus of this being a comic based license to be more appealing? Or is it just that we Americans have access to more discounters after a game hits the market that we will wait to see how it all pans out and get it cheaper later.

We definitely get the TV series and the comics. The comics are certainly a big deal within what is still a pretty niche area - you could go your entire life without seeing a single issue, but the trade paperbacks/big collections are very much in evidence if you walk into any comic shop/Forbidden Planet. The TV series presumably has a decent following over here, but is nothing like as dominant as it is in the US. If you mentioned the name to anyone relatively familiar with zombie fiction, they'd probably recognise it.

I'm sure Mantic is well aware that the TV series is much more popular than the comics, but I'm also sure that the license is orders of magnitude cheaper! That's presumably why Telltale, really quite a small company at the time, was able to do a licensed game using the style and plot of the comic. Additionally, I think that basing miniatures on drawn art (whatever your opinion of Mantic's efforts here) is more likely to be successful than real-life actors. To be honest, I find games that use actual photos as components to look rather cheap and offputting, even the excellent BSG boardgame!

Americans definitely do have greater access to retail discounters, and the base price of stuff made in the US tends to be higher (in some cases being a 1:1 £:$ ratio) since even outside of regional pricing everything attracts a 20% government tax incorporated into the listed price. So a nominally $100 CMON game will have a base price of £80 here, for example. Distribution of American boardgames in the UK (or stuff like Reaper models) is poor/pricey/non-existant, so this provides a stronger motivator to get things during a Kickstarter. That said, we do still get some erratic discounts - I think SDE: Forgotten King was £20 on Amazon recently!

 Theophony wrote:
I'm not from England, so forgive the neive question, but do they get The Walking Dead TV show? Is it as big over there as over here? Are the Comics available there more easily so that causes the focus of this being a comic based license to be more appealing? Or is it just that we Americans have access to more discounters after a game hits the market that we will wait to see how it all pans out and get it cheaper later.

Yup the show is popular over here, but it's not as big as in the US.

The UK comic book industry is tiny, way way smaller than the US's. Comic book shops are few and far between (way less prevalent than wargaming shops even) and basically 1 book chain has a comic book section. I didn't even know Walking dead was a comic until this kickstarter.

NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:

 Baragash wrote:

 adamsouza wrote:
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

Really?

I think it was intended as a compliment. As I read it, even Mantic's weakest offerings are solid, enjoyable experiences.

And to be fair, every company has projects that are better and worse representatives of what they do. Hell, I worked on Deadzone originally and acknowledge its faults, whereas games like Kings of War, and Dreadball are STELLAR.

No I got that, I just don't think it's true. KoW, DKH and Mars Attacks yes, everything else has been pretty mediocre.

 Theophony wrote:

 Bioptic wrote:
Okay then, I fully take back everything I said about the cards not mattering because tournament play wouldn't be the focus! It does even more strongly link their strategy to mimicking FFG games though, and I probably would in that position, considering the success they have enjoyed.

I've noticed that almost 1/3rd of backers are from UK - I wonder if the extremely weak pound vs. the dollar is causing people to have second thoughts in the runup to the end? I'm certainly wondering if I shouldn't just wait for the add-ons, since either the pound will be in a better state come pledge manager time, or Britain's economy will have imploded and Mantic won't be making the game!

I'm not from England, so forgive the neive question, but do they get The Walking Dead TV show? Is it as big over there as over here? Are the Comics available there more easily so that causes the focus of this being a comic based license to be more appealing? Or is it just that we Americans have access to more discounters after a game hits the market that we will wait to see how it all pans out and get it cheaper later.

Yeah, the base pledge is £90 + shipping currently.

That's a lot of money for 50 minis, plus some paper mats and card templates.

Even £54 for the base $75 pledge seems excessive considering the core box is supposed to be £30 or so at retail.

I'd go in for $1, but that isn't an option on this one either.

 agnosto wrote:
lol. He's holding the fan wrong.

Nah, he's just getting ready to kill a walker with it.

I'd just like to see Daryl try and fit that arrow on his crossbow

 adamsouza wrote:
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.

League play is exactly what they need to keep retailers happy and sales up. It's a good move.

It would be better if they did less cranking, and did more game development. For Dungeon Saga, the base game was fine, but the advanced rules were not. It's not in Mantic's best interests to be known as a game company where "some" of the games are good. With a KS model, as soon as you have a mixed track record, backers start to take less interest in spending $150+ on one of your games, sight unseen. Likewise, if you argue a separation gameplay from game component quality, this isn't valid for a KS model, where you're stuck with both from the same company. Mantic needs to slow down. If they have too many good game rules, maybe they can partner with other companies, much like the CMON model.

Can TWD sustain league play?? Mantic can only support league play while they have the TWD license, and we've seen them drop support for Mars Attacks. Do we have any info about what percentage of game stores in the UK and US have organized play? All I see on their site are KoW and Dreadball: http://www.manticgames.com/organised-play.html (I wouldn't mind attending a Dungeon Saga game demo, though!)

 adamsouza wrote:

 Azazelx wrote:
Mantic "intend" for a lot of things, though. Many of which end up forgotten and abandoned after a couple of months...
http://www.manticgames.com/kickstarter/mission-control.html

Thier ability to create games and ship them efficiently are two different matters.
Mantic has proven their ability to crank out playable games.
League play is exactly what they need to keep retailers happy and sales up. It's a good move.

Hopefully this one is better play-tested than previous ones, and that Mr.Latham is more amenable to fixing things that are messed up than Alessio and (especially) Jake.

Honestly, with Mr. Latham needing to be convinced building interiors needed rules at all, by fans... I don't know how confident I am in his instincts.

 Baragash wrote:

No I got that, I just don't think it's true. KoW, DKH and Mars Attacks yes, everything else has been pretty mediocre.

The core game, yes. The Advanturer's companion was a huge disappointment (not even counting the typos and page numbers thing) as Jake was clearly phoning it in the further into the additional rules he got. Really felt that he wanted to write HeroQuest 2.0 and nothing more than that.


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NewTruthNeomaxim wrote:
Honestly, with Mr. Latham needing to be convinced building interiors needed rules at all, by fans... I don't know how confident I am in his instincts.

Hm, that's comforting. To be fair at least, when have we ever seen survivors of a Zombipocalypse barricade themselves inside a building?