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Hello, last night this came to pass.
The enginseer from the Emperor's Wrath artillery Formation gave the power of the machine Spirit USR to a Manticore from the same formation so it could fire one more weapon than it normally can at full balistic.
The Manticore says in p 52 of the IG codex that

"carries a rack of four rockets. Only a single rocket can be fired by the Manticore Rocket Launcher in each of the Manticore's shooting phases. Furthermore until it has been used each rocket counts as a separate weapon when determining weapon destroyed results.

My question is is that legal? I mean the tank ran out of ammo pretty quickly but it was was powerful i want to make sure that i didn't cheat my opponent...
Thanks in advance.

The manticore rules are a mess.

Limited Ammunition does nothing because it references a "manticore rocket launcher" which is not equipment that a manticore has. Rather, a manticore has "storm eagle rockets" (no quantity specified).

The previous version of the rules had the manticore armed with a single weapon system - the launcher. This version has it armed with an unspecified number of rockets and a special rule that references the (now non-existent) launcher.


So, if you ignore the vehicle's equipment and play it as having a single launcher weapon so that Limited Ammunition works then no, PotMS can't make a single weapon fire twice.

If you interpret "manticore rocket launcher" to mean "manticore" (implied by the fluff section) which would also make Limited Ammunition work then you can fire two missiles per turn. I think that this is RAI.

If you use the RAW then yes you can fire one more rocket that you would usually be able to (but note that you'll never run out...)

I'd say that as it says it may only fire one rocket per turn that would over ride any other rules.
Machine spirit allows you to fire an extra weapon but this is superceded by the phrase "only a single rocket can be fired...etc"

Dregstar wrote:
I'd say that as it says it may only fire one rocket per turn that would over ride any other rules.
Machine spirit allows you to fire an extra weapon but this is superceded by the phrase "only a single rocket can be fired...etc"

Actually, PotMS would override the rules the Manticore comes with.

I'd say you couldn't use PotMS though. You only treat the rockets as separate weapons for weapon destroyed results. For PotMS purposes, they aren't a separate weapon.

Ok, so i was wrong to use it. It was bugging me so thanks anyway.

Why can't potms be used to fire a weapon twice ?

 humanas wrote:
Why can't potms be used to fire a weapon twice?

In basic rules, one can only fire a Weapon once per Phase. Now, PotMS can be used on a second copy of that Weapon, like a Land Raider's second TL Lascannon, but not the same Lascannon the "crew" is shooting with.

 humanas wrote:
Why can't potms be used to fire a weapon twice ?

Because it interacts with the vehicle rules, that allow a number of weapons to be fired at full BS, depending on the distance the vehicle moved in the Moving Phase. Nowhere does this rule allow you to fire a weapon twice.

Charistoph wrote:

 humanas wrote:
Why can't potms be used to fire a weapon twice?

In basic rules, one can only fire a Weapon once per Phase. Now, PotMS can be used on a second copy of that Weapon, like a Land Raider's second TL Lascannon, but not the same Lascannon the "crew" is shooting with.

But why ? the potms rule is "In a turn in which the vehicle neither moves Flat Out nor uses smoke launchers, the
vehicle can fire one more weapon at its full Ballistic Skill than normally permitted. "

 humanas wrote:

Charistoph wrote:

 humanas wrote:
Why can't potms be used to fire a weapon twice?

In basic rules, one can only fire a Weapon once per Phase. Now, PotMS can be used on a second copy of that Weapon, like a Land Raider's second TL Lascannon, but not the same Lascannon the "crew" is shooting with.

But why ? the potms rule is "In a turn in which the vehicle neither moves Flat Out nor uses smoke launchers, the
vehicle can fire one more weapon at its full Ballistic Skill than normally permitted. "

I told you, the basic rules only allow for a Weapon to be fired once per Phase. All the PotMS says is to fire one MORE weapon, not a Weapon you have already fired.

Actually, you are right!Thnx for clearing it up for me!