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An Eldar Striking Scorpion Exarch attacks a Necron Wraith with Lashwhips. The Exarch gets a bonus attack in the first round for each point his INI is higher than the opponents. Do you use the base INI of 2 or the modified INI of 5 due to the lashwhips?

Stalker (Exarch Only): In the first round of a challenge, this model makes 1 bonus Attack for each point that its Initiative is higher than its opponent's Initiative characteristic.

It does not mention unmodified in the rule, so I would assume that the Exarch only gets 1 bonus attack?
   
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Modified, as nothing tells you to use unmodified. For example, sweeping advance explicitly states unmodified.
   
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No bonus attacks at all.

Wraiths aren't characters so there can be no challenge.

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 Kommissar Kel wrote:
No bonus attacks at all.

Wraiths aren't characters so there can be no challenge.


This is true, but my question was about the modified / unmodified INI. Wraiths were the only things off the top of my head I can think of that had a permanent bonus to INI based off wargear. Things like Terrain and Unwieldy dont effectively change a INI characteristic.
   
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Lashwips the Nids have? Jain Zar's Banshee Mask. Off the top of my head.

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Nos had the correct answer for both permanent(wargear or formation/detachment benefits, etc) and temporary modifiers:whatever their current I value is after all modifiers.

Note: striking at a different I step is not the same as a modified stat; so hammer of wrath or unwieldy weapons do not count.

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It depends on the wargear, the lashwips allow you to strike at a higher initiative but do not modify your characteristic. For example Tyranid warriors with lashwips that are hit with a blind weapon pass the blind test using initiative 4

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 humanas wrote:
It depends on the wargear, the lashwips allow you to strike at a higher initiative but do not modify your characteristic. For example Tyranid warriors with lashwips that are hit with a blind weapon pass the blind test using initiative 4


During the Fight subphase?

Lashwhips and Whip coils have swiftstrike. Swiftstrike. A model attacking with this weapon adds 3 to its INI during the Fight Subphase.

Why would they test on I4 ?
   
 
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