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Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

123ply wrote:
Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

Wouldn't extinction of the tau pave the way for an invasion from hive fleet naga? The only thing that saved the tau was their ability to counter the fleets insane rate of evolution by adapting their own tech in response. The imperium aren't that tech savvy = bad. Not sure if brute for would win that war.

 hippyjr wrote:

123ply wrote:
Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

Wouldn't extinction of the tau pave the way for an invasion from hive fleet naga? The only thing that saved the tau was their ability to counter the fleets insane rate of evolution by adapting their own tech in response. The imperium aren't that tech savvy = bad. Not sure if brute for would win that war.

Yes, because the Imperium of Man didn't beat Kraken and Leviathan, two larger Hive Fleets... Oh, wait, Yes it did!

Here's a dice roll.

I'll take 100 deathwatch 40k years into the future, see where we end up a maybe repopulate via cloning.

Well it depends. I feel like if the imperium had more time/warning of horus and his betrayal they could have stopped him. To that end since he has so many more Marines I would say jump back to when his betrayal was just starting and lure some orks to start a war with him. Probably after a few of his first battles where he betrays the imperium. This way he is delayed and weakened long enough for the imperium to probably crush him. The orks don't even need to do anything but be a nuisance and draw more to them.

 dusara217 wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:

123ply wrote:
Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

Wouldn't extinction of the tau pave the way for an invasion from hive fleet naga? The only thing that saved the tau was their ability to counter the fleets insane rate of evolution by adapting their own tech in response. The imperium aren't that tech savvy = bad. Not sure if brute for would win that war.

Yes, because the Imperium of Man didn't beat Kraken and Leviathan, two larger Hive Fleets... Oh, wait, Yes it did!

Not to mention the varied and disparate nature of the Imperium's armed forces compared to the Tau would mean that Naga's whole schtick of adaptation would have been redundant and been ground down since they gave up overwhelming numbers for rapid evolutionary responses.

I'd go back and stop Magnus from making the warp jump/ what ever he did to bsod the webway thing the emperor was building.

And i guess kill Ahriman while we're there.

Really, the time that you time travel to depends on what kind of Galaxy you want to create. If you would like the Imperium of Man to remain dominant, but with Big E at the head, you fix the Webway, if you want humanity united, you kill Lorgar, if you want things just the way they are, only change a few things to ensure that humanity comes out of the Heresy (or Reign of Blood, it really depends on how good your grasp on 40k history is) stronger than it was before, etc. etc.

Alrighty, *checks rules*.

Got a couple options that come to mind:

1 - Head to each primarch 'homeworld' and pick up the kiddos, keep'em safe and teach'em the way of the future until pops shows up. Big family reunion years later where I sit down with Big E and inform him of everything that's due to happen because of his stupid bs.

Barring that, purge every planet. Kill everyone and everything, primarchs included, force the emperor to start from scratch and give chaos no backdoor.

2 - If you follow all that Cabal crap, change the path of a nearby meteor so it intersects with Earth pre-20th century. Erase humanity from the equation - allowing other species to evolve and dominate the galaxy.

3 - Take every Paladin from the Grey Knights, drop into the Istvaan fight and kill Fulgrim.

4 - Drop in on Phall, specifically Perturabo's ship and waste his ass.

5 - Although, I suppose the bigger picture is what's needed, so, see to it that humanity loses in some way. End up in Tau space, nurture the Tau and make sure they're the guiding force for the galaxy - establish armies throughout the galaxy capable of countering the Tyranids. Where possible, work diplomatically with the Eldar and Necrons (although that may seem silly) and other races. Kill every single Ethereal.
Note: I'm not even a Tau fanboy, I just think they've got the best shot at stopping ANYONE given enough time.

1 and 2 create a time paradox unfortunately

kb_lock wrote:
1 and 2 create a time paradox unfortunately

How so? We are coming from an alternate Universe to change the 40k-verse.

 dusara217 wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:

123ply wrote:
Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

Wouldn't extinction of the tau pave the way for an invasion from hive fleet naga? The only thing that saved the tau was their ability to counter the fleets insane rate of evolution by adapting their own tech in response. The imperium aren't that tech savvy = bad. Not sure if brute for would win that war.

Yes, because the Imperium of Man didn't beat Kraken and Leviathan, two larger Hive Fleets... Oh, wait, Yes it did!

That's sorta what I meant though, naga would be able to feed through all of tau space (not that much, I know) and the outer trade worlds, gaining biomass before it reached the imperium (there would be no real threat to stand in it's way until it reached the imperium). If nagas main weakness is its size, what would happen if it was given the chance to grow?

I just thought that the tau would make less of a problem than yet another hive fleet knocking on the front door.

I'd take a hundred Iron Hands, post-Istvaan V, give them thunder hammers, and deploy them on Chemos before the Emperor arrives there.

Next, whip out a folding chair, grab some popcorn, and watch one hundred very pissed off Iron Hands hammer pretty-boy Fulgrim and his entire planet into oblivion.

I would stop Kirby from taking over GW. I know that's in Sol, so I guess I would time travel to outside of Sol then fly to Earth in a space ship.

We wrote:
I would stop Kirby from taking over GW. I know that's in Sol, so I guess I would time travel to outside of Sol then fly to Earth in a space ship.

Congratulations! You have stopped Kirby from taking over GW! You have now created an alternate timeline where GW is run by C.S. Goto! I hope you like multilasers...

I would take my Marines to Urk and shoot Ghazghkull in the face with 100 meltaguns. That should take a hell of a lot of pressure of the Imperium. Alternatively, teleport onto Colchis and wreck Lorgar's s***, stopping him from getting a little too close to Mr Skullthrone and preventing the Heresy.

Take every Paladin from the Grey Knights, drop into the Istvaan fight and kill Fulgrim.

If you're going to take Grey Knights, go hit Davin before Horus gets there. With no idea who or what he's facing, and hence unable to use the anathame, Temba should go down like a punk.

As a result, Horus finds the possessed governor, and the Anathame. He's not completely stupid, and when he realises that this is a setup designed to kill him, and that Erebus set him up, things should shift rather dramatically.

Travel to Fenris, with a hundred Blood Ravens, at the moment the ship full of settlers arrived.
Assume control of the ship, fire at the planet until everything is dead.
Possibly direct settlers to more reasonable world.

Millenia later, Leman Russ arrives and is not raised by wolves, either dies or is frozen in the ice, discovered by the Emperor as a corpse or baby Captain America.
No savage, superstitious idiots are recruited to be part of the VIth legion and it either has no primarch or a primarch raised by the Emperor and his attendants.

Magnus is escorted to Terra to be shown the error of his ways by a reasonable legion whose military forces include 0 dogs, dogmen or sleds.

The Thousand sons are on Terra when the news of the Heresy hits and are given dispensation by the Emperor to use their powers in a limited fashion to defend the Imperium.

Magnus can take the throne for his father, allowing the daemons to be repelled from the palace, webway gate repaired and his mistakes to be fixed.

The Horus Heresy is a resounding victory for the Imperial forces as Magnus and the Emperor's combined psychic might ensures the teleport beam is not disrupted and they arrive in Horus' throne room together with Dorn and Sanguinius.

Backed up by his very best sons, Horus is disarmed and secured in chains of silvered adamantium and the Vengeful Spirit is overrun by a vengeful Emperor and his Champion, Mage and Angel.

In the years that follow known as 'The Scouring' the Ultramarines legion is broken down into chapters to repay for the treasonous 'Imperium Secundus' of Guilleman and sent on penitent crusades to recover worlds lost to Horus armies whilst more worthy legions rebuild their numbers.

Guilleman himself is returned to the palace and 'seconded' to Dorn, the new Warmaster as a clerical aid to help keep track of the myriad wars and organisations of the new Adeptus Terra.

Keeping in mind that every single loyal Primarch initially threatens violence and shows complete disbelief to the messenger who first informs them of Horus' heresy so without proof I think any plans to warn will be completely wasted.

I would suggest dressing your 100 marines up as Word Bearers and teleporting them to the ship when Fulgrim tries to bring over Ferrus Mannus to the dark side. Have 2 shoot at both Primarchs and the other 98 shoot specifically at Fulgrim's daemon sword. If you can destroy that before he fully gives in to the daemon then his head will be cleared and he will come back to the big E's way. Both Primarchs will definitely survive and kill all 100 "Word Bearers" and turn all their rage on Lorgar and his gits, which will hopefully stop the events at Calth and even better get Erebus destroyed. Thus the Istvaan trap no longer works as Fulgrim is able to warn all loyalists, plus FM gets to keep his head and the Iron Hands are still a relevant force.
Your troops will all die but they will save their ancestors and possibly make themselves redundant anyway.

JustALittleOrkish wrote:
Both Primarchs will definitely survive and kill all 100 "Word Bearers" and turn all their rage on Lorgar and his gits, which will hopefully stop the events at Calth and even better get Erebus destroyed.

This plan is great, but hinges on every apothecary in two legions deciding not to check the geneseed of those 100 "Word Bearers" who teleported in without any ships in the area.
If the corpses were tested and the evidence suddenly pointed at :

Guilleman- Ferrus would enlist Fulgrim for an attack on Ultramar and find Lorgar already beat him to the punch for his treason. The two traitor legions would let Ferrus spend his fury on Guillemans lot and either one loyalist legion would be exhausted killing loyalists or turn to chaos in the confusion.

Dorn- Ferrus is livid that best brother could do such a thing. Ferrus arrives on Terra and requests parley with Dorn, as the news of Isstvan hits. Ferrus' legion are not in position to take part in the dropsite massacre and while Corax's leadership is significantly better, the loyalists are outnumbered far more dramatically and even fewer if any salamanders and raven guard live.
Ferrus' legion are viewed with some suspicion.

They are some valid concerns but is it implied anywhere that any apothocary other than Fabulous Bill has a schematic of all other legions geneseeds? Surely the standard check would be "Our or Not-Ours", not specific to each legion.
And the main goal is to destroy the daemon sword so Fulgrim is awoken from his spell and knows all about the treachery. So even if he works out they weren't actually WBs he sees that they were saving his soul so runs with the hatred of WB and Lorgar, who he was not the biggest fan of before.

Also if Corax was in charge of Istvaan he was more level headed so would have waited until the numbers favoured the loyalists higher, and they would all know the WBs were not actually on their side.

Wouldn't be a good choice to go back to the Legion days, 100 marines would be a drop in the bucket compared to the 50,000 and up, marines and armored support.

 hippyjr wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 hippyjr wrote:

123ply wrote:
Me? Personally, I'd go to T ' au when the world was first discovered, and bomb the gak out of the primitive aliens. I kind of have a love/ hate thing with the Tau, and this would mean no Eastern Fringe annoyance crusades.

Wouldn't extinction of the tau pave the way for an invasion from hive fleet naga? The only thing that saved the tau was their ability to counter the fleets insane rate of evolution by adapting their own tech in response. The imperium aren't that tech savvy = bad. Not sure if brute for would win that war.

Yes, because the Imperium of Man didn't beat Kraken and Leviathan, two larger Hive Fleets... Oh, wait, Yes it did!

That's sorta what I meant though, naga would be able to feed through all of tau space (not that much, I know) and the outer trade worlds, gaining biomass before it reached the imperium (there would be no real threat to stand in it's way until it reached the imperium). If nagas main weakness is its size, what would happen if it was given the chance to grow?

I just thought that the tau would make less of a problem than yet another hive fleet knocking on the front door.

I'd assume that of there was no Tau, then the Imperium would already be in that part of space.

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Considering the Eldar Pleasure cults were started by a Greater Daemon of Slaanesh, good fething luck with a Company of Marines.

Isn't this backwards? I thought the fluff was the Eldar pleasure cults were what creates slaanesh and the eye of terror. This is why Slaanesh thirst for Eldar soul stones and why the Eldar hate Slaanesh.

Calth. Onto Erebus' flagship. Take out the traitor and deal as much damage to the word bearers, leaving the Ultramarines at a higher strength and potentially stopping the Ruinstorm. The Ultramarines then can deploy towards Terra and potentially save the Emperor.

Head to Murder save Blood Angels, Eiloden then doesn't attempt to stroke his ego by saving them, Luna Wolves then don't follow that up, ideally it's the Blood Angels that end up heading to Interex, rather than Horus.

Your move Chaos Gods.

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Head to Murder save Blood Angels, Eiloden then doesn't attempt to stroke his ego by saving them, Luna Wolves then don't follow that up, ideally it's the Blood Angels that end up heading to Interex, rather than Horus.

Your move Chaos Gods.

They chose to corrupt Sanguinius, who was like wise loved near universally by his brothers, and almost more by the Imperium at large. So the potential for maximum corruption is achieved, with both Sanguinius and Lorgar whispering in their brother's ears.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:

 Mozzyfuzzy wrote:
Head to Murder save Blood Angels, Eiloden then doesn't attempt to stroke his ego by saving them, Luna Wolves then don't follow that up, ideally it's the Blood Angels that end up heading to Interex, rather than Horus.

Your move Chaos Gods.

They chose to corrupt Sanguinius, who was like wise loved near universally by his brothers, and almost more by the Imperium at large. So the potential for maximum corruption is achieved, with both Sanguinius and Lorgar whispering in their brother's ears.

Except Sanguinius might have been more loyal. Sanguinius was never close to Lorgar or his legion, whereas Horus was close to everyone. Warrior lodges wouldn't have gained support in the IX because they wouldn't like Erebus, and certainly not him saying to defy their Primarch and Emperor. When Sanguinius was faced with the reality of his best friend and brother being the Arch-traitor, and that he codemned the BA to death so Horus could be the big baddy, instead of choosing to spite Horus and take revenge, he stood loyal, banished Daemons and then fought Horus despite knowing if would kill him.

The means of attempting to try and corrupt Sanguinius were also different. If the Chaos Gods directly would have made the effort it could have ended with him being alot less loyal.

Basically, if it works, the Imperium is doomed. If it doesn't, Oh well chaos goes back to the drawing board and their plan is delayed slightly.

 VictorVonTzeentch wrote:
The means of attempting to try and corrupt Sanguinius were also different. If the Chaos Gods directly would have made the effort it could have ended with him being alot less loyal.

Basically, if it works, the Imperium is doomed. If it doesn't, Oh well chaos goes back to the drawing board and their plan is delayed slightly.

Horus and Sanguinius were never going to be on the same side. Horus' corruption rested on his pride, if Sangy had been corrupted his own loyalty would lead him to doing the same as Sanguinius did, trying to save his brother. That's the impression I get from the first 3 HH books. And when Horus was corrupted, his ego meant he'd rather kill his brother than let him join, because A) He was ore powerful and a better champion of the Dark Gods B) Horus considered him a direct threat to his unchallenged command.