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So, we know that the Eye of Terror has millions of worlds in it, which can literally be reshaped with nothing but a strong mind. We also know that Chaos is as diverse as the imagination behind it. So, would it be at all possible for there to be worlds in the Eye of Terror that are virtual Utopias of freedom and security? Maybe a Space Marine Chapter fell to Tzeentch, manipulated by the way the Imperium treats common mortals, and decided to create their vision of a world where the mortals would truly live with hope in their hearts, and worship Tzeentch (tzeentch is also god of hope)?

I would say that, whatever the fluff behind its existence, it's definitely possible. I would however say that it either doesn't occur very often at all (i.e. 1 in 1,000,000 sort of deal), or simply don't exist.

Literally anything is possible in the Eye of Terror.

Problem is such definitions are subjective.

And the only people who are not nommed by daemons in the Eye generally have a very skewed and perverse sense of "subjectivity".

On a serious note, some of the older fluff said that the Warp use to be calm, until humanity started expanding and war became the norm. Then the Eldar squicked a god into existence and now we can't even have love and passion in there without something getting their chocolate in our peanutbutter, if you get what I mean.

Being in the realm of the greatest donkey cave in all non existence (t), its more likely that anything in there that tries to shape a world into a paradise will immediately fall to monkey paw type issues.

And or depending on what kind of paradise might end up drawing attention from other gods.

It's perfectly possible for a "Paradise" to exist in the EOT. You just need to pray that one of the Dark Gods doesn't decide to feth you (and your planet) over.

 War Kitten wrote:
It's perfectly possible for a "Paradise" to exist in the EOT. You just need to pray that one of the Dark Gods doesn't decide to feth you (and your planet) over.

Yup, I'd say something would go wrong eventually. Tzeentch would probably start whispering to everyone in this 'Garden of Eden'-esque world you have. And I think it would very much end the same way.

It is a nice idea though, do go and write it up.

From my understanding of the books (specifically recalling The Talon of Horus) it does not take a strong mind to reshape something in the Eye of Terror. It takes a strong mind NOT to reshape it.
IIRC, it is suggested that it took the space marines some time to control their minds so that they wouldn't constantly reshape everything.

I think this would probably make it very difficult to have a world with millions of people on it living in perfect harmony, assuming they are sentient and have free will.
But yeah, definitely not impossible.

"Paradise" is a subjective word. When it comes to chaos, one man's paradise is another man's hell.

There will be worlds based around all mortal pleasures for Slannesh's followers, which for them is pretty nice, but not so much for the poor wretches who are there to serve their whims.

You know, I'm not really one for chaos, but put this idea on a brochure and I think I'd join.

There are plenty of paradise worlds in the Eye of "Terror" (as the Imperial liars call it)! Don't listen to the Ecclesiarchy's lies and propaganda, come visit!

GrafWattenburg wrote:
There are plenty of paradise worlds in the Eye of "Terror" (as the Imperial liars call it)! Don't listen to the Ecclesiarchy's lies and propaganda, come visit!

Hahahaha.

There's a strong possibility that worlds held by particularly-powerful mortal champions of Tzeentch or Slaanesh would closely fit the normal concept of a "Paradise World". Sure, there would be some weird stuff around, these are Daemon Worlds, after all, and the regular citizenry is subject to the whims and pleasures of the servants of insane gods... but life might still be Pretty Damn Good.

 Psienesis wrote:
There's a strong possibility that worlds held by particularly-powerful mortal champions of Tzeentch or Slaanesh would closely fit the normal concept of a "Paradise World". Sure, there would be some weird stuff around, these are Daemon Worlds, after all, and the regular citizenry is subject to the whims and pleasures of the servants of insane gods... but life might still be Pretty Damn Good.

An outside fan speculating on such matters would logically come to such a conclusion based on how Chaos is supposed to be infinite possibilities and the gods, being incarnations of sheer emotion, would logically have positive aspects to them as well (particularly Slaanesh and Tzeentch). GW's logic seems to be vastly different from outsiders though because they never even get near to mentioning such a thing. Ever. Anywhere. Even in the RPGs based around Chaos.

The problem is that any emotion taken to the extreme is negative, so if they're the extreme manifestations of an emotion, then they're all bad.

Love taken to an extreme leads to obsession.
Happiness taken to an extreme leads to hedonism.

etc.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The problem is that any emotion taken to the extreme is negative, so if they're the extreme manifestations of an emotion, then they're all bad.

Love taken to an extreme leads to obsession.
Happiness taken to an extreme leads to hedonism.

etc.

After all just look at what happened with the Eldar.

Where the Ruinous Powers are concerned things tend to become like a drug you use everyday (some drugs anyway). You need more and more to get the same high. Need to do something different or more extreme to feel the same sort of pleasure etc.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The problem is that any emotion taken to the extreme is negative, so if they're the extreme manifestations of an emotion, then they're all bad.

Love taken to an extreme leads to obsession.
Happiness taken to an extreme leads to hedonism.

etc.

I get the love part, but how does happiness lead to hedonism?

You keep wanting more and more happiness, so you keep going to further and more extreme means to get it.

Another negative version of happiness is downright delirium. After all, if you are paralyzed with joy, that is happiness to an extreme, and too bad about not being able to do anything but be paralyzed with joy.

 curran12 wrote:
You keep wanting more and more happiness, so you keep going to further and more extreme means to get it.

Another negative version of happiness is downright delirium. After all, if you are paralyzed with joy, that is happiness to an extreme, and too bad about not being able to do anything but be paralyzed with joy.

You keep saying that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.
Happiness
As defined by the Merrium-Webster dictionary, it is a state of being happy, or joyful, which by definition, is a state of being. Happiness is not an emotion you can manufacture, perhaps you were thinking of pleasure? Pleasure is something you can seek after and attain with relative ease (an experience, not a state of being), but you get less and less from repetition. Happiness, on the other hand, isn't the kind of thing that will go away because you spend all your time doing the same thing. For instance, if a writer finds happiness in writing, he's not going to get less and less happiness from it every time. In the same vein, my step-father finds himself feeling incomplete and unhappy when he isn't fixing cars, while, when he does fix cars on a regular basis, he is suddenly in a reliably good mood, and he suddenly feels complete (which is usually what defines a state of happiness).

Is happiness an emotion or a state of being? Emotions are transient things that you feel for a moment that inevitably change - this is what the Chaos Gods are. This kind of happiness is the kind you pursue over and over again, like the happiness you feel from a drug high.

The kind of happiness you describe is contentment, really, and as you say it isn't an emotion but rather a state of being. Unfortunately, the Chaos gods represent emotions, not states (which is why they are everchanging).

 dusara217 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
The problem is that any emotion taken to the extreme is negative, so if they're the extreme manifestations of an emotion, then they're all bad.

Love taken to an extreme leads to obsession.
Happiness taken to an extreme leads to hedonism.

etc.

I get the love part, but how does happiness lead to hedonism?

At least in the real world, it has to do with brain chemistry. Certain activities release Dopamine, AKA the "happy hormone", thus they feel good and make you want to do more of that.

The issue is that over time you lose sensitivity to Dopamine, so you need more and more of it to feel the same rush. This leads to more and more excessive behavior. Its why any harmful addiction eventually spirals out of control. It takes more and more *insert any drug here* to achieve the same high, as you build up resistance to both the drug and the Dopamine it releases.

No, it is not going to happen, at least not on a deamon. Deamons will shape their worlds in order to please their God, and that is probably not what most people would think of as nice. they have gone too far on the path of
Then again, most people living on those worlds are probably insane, so their definition of 'nice' might be different.
As to worlds ruled by mortal Chaos followers, those would also not be paradises. Even if the intentions of the rulers were once noble, Chaos has a way of corrupting and twisting everything. Chaos can be nice on first sight, but there is always something dark and disturbing beneath the surface. So no true Chaos paradise worlds. Only worlds that look like paradises but hide terrible dark secrets that will drive you insane and stuff like that.

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Is happiness an emotion or a state of being? Emotions are transient things that you feel for a moment that inevitably change - this is what the Chaos Gods are. This kind of happiness is the kind you pursue over and over again, like the happiness you feel from a drug high.

The kind of happiness you describe is contentment, really, and as you say it isn't an emotion but rather a state of being. Unfortunately, the Chaos gods represent emotions, not states (which is why they are everchanging).

I literally just went to dictionaries to define precisely what happiness is. Perhaps you should actually read the full post. Happiness is not an emotion, it is a state of being. I will bring in other dictionaries if that's what it take. The point is, you're probably thinking about pleasure, or something along that line.

 dusara217 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Is happiness an emotion or a state of being? Emotions are transient things that you feel for a moment that inevitably change - this is what the Chaos Gods are. This kind of happiness is the kind you pursue over and over again, like the happiness you feel from a drug high.

The kind of happiness you describe is contentment, really, and as you say it isn't an emotion but rather a state of being. Unfortunately, the Chaos gods represent emotions, not states (which is why they are everchanging).

I literally just went to dictionaries to define precisely what happiness is. Perhaps you should actually read the full post. Happiness is not an emotion, it is a state of being. I will bring in other dictionaries if that's what it take. The point is, you're probably thinking about pleasure, or something along that line.

Alright, you win - happiness does not lead to hedonism, pleasure does.

That said, happiness then is outside the domain of the Chaos gods, because it is not an emotion but a state-of-being and emotions ar-

Wait now I am repeating myself. Did you read my post?

A Paradise World is one with a pleasant environment, rich biodiversity, capable of sustaining human life with minimal agricultural effort. That is, you might need to plant some orchards of the local super-apple trees, or set up ranches for the native mega-tasty-cows, but, otherwise, the planet provides everything you need to survive comfortably, lacking events like massive storms, volcanoes, earthquakes, and so on.

These things are quite possible in the Eye, especially on a Slaaneshi world. After all, if you don't need to work and labor much, that leaves plenty of time for pursuing... other pleasures.

 Psienesis wrote:
A Paradise World is one with a pleasant environment, rich biodiversity, capable of sustaining human life with minimal agricultural effort. That is, you might need to plant some orchards of the local super-apple trees, or set up ranches for the native mega-tasty-cows, but, otherwise, the planet provides everything you need to survive comfortably, lacking events like massive storms, volcanoes, earthquakes, and so on.

These things are quite possible in the Eye, especially on a Slaaneshi world. After all, if you don't need to work and labor much, that leaves plenty of time for pursuing... other pleasures.

I suppose. Paradise to me also has several other prerequisites besides, because as someone said, it is subjective. Which is ultimately the problem with paradise worlds - it can only be a paradise for some!

 Unit1126PLL wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
Is happiness an emotion or a state of being? Emotions are transient things that you feel for a moment that inevitably change - this is what the Chaos Gods are. This kind of happiness is the kind you pursue over and over again, like the happiness you feel from a drug high.

The kind of happiness you describe is contentment, really, and as you say it isn't an emotion but rather a state of being. Unfortunately, the Chaos gods represent emotions, not states (which is why they are everchanging).

I literally just went to dictionaries to define precisely what happiness is. Perhaps you should actually read the full post. Happiness is not an emotion, it is a state of being. I will bring in other dictionaries if that's what it take. The point is, you're probably thinking about pleasure, or something along that line.

Alright, you win - happiness does not lead to hedonism, pleasure does.

That said, happiness then is outside the domain of the Chaos gods, because it is not an emotion but a state-of-being and emotions ar-

Wait now I am repeating myself. Did you read my post?

The emotion associated with happiness you are looking foe is call euphoria: a feeling or state of intense excitement and happiness. Slanessh would definitely be into euphoria.