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Do you think GW will ever make a model with a 1+ armor save that only AP1 weapons can get through?

GentGiant wrote:
Do you think GW will ever make a model with a 1+ armor save that only AP1 weapons can get through?

They'd better not.

No, but you fail it just as much as 2+ armour

But it would be immune to AP2

GentGiant wrote:
Do you think GW will ever make a model with a 1+ armor save that only AP1 weapons can get through?

No, I don't think they will make that.

I think there is potential there, but doubt GW will every do anything with it.

It's sounds like it could potentially be really stupidly broken as it'd be immortal to everything but a few weapons.

If they do, the model will be practically unkillable.

2+ is fine, thank you very much.

No just no. Several armies don't have widespread access to AP1. Orks, darkeldar, just off the top of my head would be stuck against that.

1s always fail on armor saves, so the only thing a 1+ save grants over a 2+ is how it interacts with the AP system.

If it was on something like a marine, with T4, you can still be drowned in bolter fire. If you get it on a wraithknight, then yes, pretty much unkillable.

This will probably be in the next eldar codex.

We had that in WHFB. It was great with save modifiers rather than a flat AP system.

I actually think that would give Terminators a good enough buff that they would be worth their pts.

Daston wrote:
I actually think that would give Terminators a good enough buff that they would be worth their pts.

Not really, you kill termies by drowning them in saves. It's almost always a waste to spend AP2 weapons on them.

I think the Avatar of Khaine had a 1+ armour save way back in the mists of time. Though I think that was at a time where there was armour save modifiers like what Fantasy had.

They already have something that can auto pass saves, Aun'Va *IIRC* Space Pope of the Tau Empire can negate an entire round of AP1 shooting since he passes saves based on the AP of the weapon.

IE Ap1 he has to rolls a 1 or higher, basically automatically passing. AP6 - Well he's screwed.

 Zewrath wrote:

Daston wrote:
I actually think that would give Terminators a good enough buff that they would be worth their pts.

Not really, you kill termies by drowning them in saves. It's almost always a waste to spend AP2 weapons on them.

One of the problems with termis is that you can either kill them with massed small arms -or- a handful of AP2 shots. So the only thing they are really tough against is low volume AP3+ shots. Yawn. By giving them some protection vs. all the AP2 out there, they at least get some more survivability.

I’m not saying it would make them top units, but it might make them a little more viable. And as far as boosts go, it does fit their fluff, is a simple mechanic, and not really game breaking.

GentGiant wrote:
Do you think GW will ever make a model with a 1+ armor save that only AP1 weapons can get through?

I don't think they understand their own rules well enough to grasp how a 1+ save would fit in the game.

 GoliothOnline wrote:
They already have something that can auto pass saves, Aun'Va *IIRC* Space Pope of the Tau Empire can negate an entire round of AP1 shooting since he passes saves based on the AP of the weapon.

IE Ap1 he has to rolls a 1 or higher, basically automatically passing. AP6 - Well he's screwed.

That's probably how the assassin killed him. Tickled him to death with a guard combat knife.

Didn't old one eye have a +1 save? I remember hearing he could only be wounded with melta weapons.

UrsoerTheSquid wrote:
Didn't old one eye have a +1 save? I remember hearing he could only be wounded with melta weapons.

No, it was a 2+. I had him die many 'a time to Plasma of all kinds.

Sevrin Loth basically has a 1+ armor save, with his ability he has a 2+ invulnerable save. With the rules stating a 1 is always a fail isn't that mechanically the same.

oz of the north wrote:
Sevrin Loth basically has a 1+ armor save, with his ability he has a 2+ invulnerable save. With the rules stating a 1 is always a fail isn't that mechanically the same.

It's better, a 1+ save wont get a roll against melta unless you're in cover.

oz of the north wrote:
Sevrin Loth basically has a 1+ armor save, with his ability he has a 2+ invulnerable save. With the rules stating a 1 is always a fail isn't that mechanically the same.

No because ap1 doesn't ignore a 2++ invul save

Alathia wrote:
It's sounds like it could potentially be really stupidly broken as it'd be immortal to everything but a few weapons.

Rolling a 1 (or 6 in some instances) is always a natural fail.

Abaddon used to have a 2+ on the sum of 2 dice.

These days the rules tend to be 1 always fail so all 1+ would do is add immunity to ap2.

Post like these make me miss playing with my old wfb army n :\


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On topic: under the current 40k rules. No of course not it would be stupid and needlessly confusing. Since a 1' to save always fails.

on top of that if you look for stuff only going to die off ap 1 stuff you should really get interested into......

VEHICLES you might just secretly love them :_P

See, the right way to do this would to gve a melee unit a 1+ that only works against shooting. Sure, it's invincible to shooting for the most part, but it needs to be in melee to do anything, at which point it's save drops to something normal. It can also be used on objectives to force people into engaging it.

Doesn't even have to have amazing melee stats either.

Better not. Better approach would be rise ap values of guns (example grav would be ap3 etc).

We have an armor values which will protect low powered guns (or high toughness). But I would be happy if all armors would have a same mechanic.

Maybe the Emperor will get an armour save like that if FW ever makes a model and rules
? His armour in the artwork does look very strong.