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As shown with the single miniatures they added to the cover of White Dwarfs (the last one was a Stormcast Eternal) they could re-tool basically every miniature and sell it separately. Just imagine they recut one of the new Space Hulk ones like Sergeant Gideon and sell him with a 40mm base. Technically they are able to offer these as well

Well it does seem like a gateway product into modelling and painting and less the actual gaming.
I dont see any mention of rules.

 Mymearan wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Well that takes the wind right out of my sails. How crappy that they released an ancient, out of scale, model again for this. He even comes with a 28 mm base!

8-year olds won't care about scale or know how old the model is.

Nor do the oldhammer players. Just give me those old models now.
And when they are at it pls bring back those old fantasy plastic oop models.

 Rayvon wrote:
Well it does seem like a gateway product into modelling and painting and less the actual gaming.
I dont see any mention of rules.

I think the age bracket they're trying to target cares more about the models than it does about the rules.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Nor do the oldhammer players. Just give me those old models now.

The nostalgia factor on some of those images is over nine thousand.

 His Master's Voice wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Well it does seem like a gateway product into modelling and painting and less the actual gaming.
I dont see any mention of rules.

I think the age bracket they're trying to target cares more about the models than it does about the rules.

Yes that was my point.

Sorry, just woke up. Not at full capacity yet.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:
Despite the pictures, this looks awfully fake to me. Why use the 90s box covers, even for mock-ups? And are they really going to make a bunch of brand new clip-together kits just for this?

Did you even look at the pictures?

1. They're obviously not fake. They're at a trade show.
2. Why not use the covers? What does this take away from the product?
3. They're obviously not clip-together, or new. They're old kits re-purposed, and they come with glue.

I'd say new trukk and bike sprues are more likely than a re-release of the Necromunda era kits. And all the AOBR sprues have mixed contents, none translate into the alleged box contents here.

There's also no such thing as a plastic Boss in Mega Armour, who is listed in the 'Ard Boyz box.

I think it's cool that these old kits are coming back! I might pick some up for nostalgia and a little 2nd edition project!

 His Master's Voice wrote:
Sorry, just woke up. Not at full capacity yet.

I was not very clear to be fair !

Forgive me if I'm wrong and don't want to go off topic but pretty sure it fits with this news.

Wasn't there a rumour a while ago of a beginner's magazine, similar to White Dwarf but aimed at younger kids that would be available in more outlets?

Could these new introductory model kits aimed at a younger audience also get a magazine to go with them that would have some basic rules in?

And I guess these are the "pocket money" kits that Rountree mentioned when he started.

I have to say I think so far he has certainly made some changes in a short space of time, and they generally seem to be good ones.

I'm wondering if their plan is to use obsolete stuff for the build + paint because:

1. It's cheap (they've already got the designs and potentially the moulds)
2. It's not compatible with the current ranges meaning:
a. People will still buy the normal ones
b. People will be forced to migrate across to play.

I really hope for their sake this stuff is fully compatible, but that Gorkamorka truck is tiny by modern standards.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
Shame that it's that old Termy Sergeant. They're not even in scale with the current Termies.

I think that's the point.

Its obviously a Terminator and can be used as such by little Timmy with little reservation but it isn't going to be cannibalising sales of current Termies, the same is true for the other kits.

I wonder if the Timmykits will have tokens on the boxes. Collect them all and send off for a free model or something?

 Crazyterran wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Those look like the Old 25mm Terminators (as you can see in one of the pictures) and the god damn Gorka Morka trucks.

Ughhh.

They also have "Mock-up" written on the box art.

True, but there was a sprue shot of the terminator.

And you know they have a gak ton of those old gorkamorka trucks lying around somewhere!

I look at it as a "This is a mock-up of what we're working on" and not "These are the models that will be in the kit".

I'll hate on GW as much as the next guy (first blurry image of the Space Wolves told me those were stinkers), but I'm willing to give them more credit that to expect in 10 months' time, THOSE are the best model they can put in the box for a hobby store launch.

Remember, this is GW. Even at a trade show, they're not going to show anyone the actual miniature this far out.

I'm willing to wait and see the final product.

It's going to be difficult for me to justify my "They're models, not toys" stance if there are going to be Ages 8+ boxes sitting on the shelves at Toys R Us.

 kronk wrote:


I look at it as a "This is a mock-up of what we're working on" and not "These are the models that will be in the kit".

I'll hate on GW as much as the next guy (first blurry image of the Space Wolves told me those were stinkers), but I'm willing to give them more credit that to expect in 10 months' time, THOSE are the best model they can put in the box for a hobby store launch.

Remember, this is GW. Even at a trade show, they're not going to show anyone the actual miniature this far out.

I'm willing to wait and see the final product.

Yes, this is how I understood it originally, I thought that the models in the pictures were just being used as examples and not the actual models we will see.

However it would make sense now that I think of it for them to use these older ones, for the multitude of reasons people have already mentioned.
There would be little outlay as well using these old moulds and they would not cannibalise the sales of the models for the actual game.

I eagerly await more news !

It's time I set my phaser to horsegak and poured some cold water on this latest offering from GW, and say I think this is terrible.

It just looks cheap and nasty, like those imitation airfix kits they used to sell in budget shops, the kits with lead paint from Vietnam, and paintbrushes that had two bristles or something!

People are saying that this is on par with hero quest or space crusade, but's it's no such thing.

Sure, MB sold hero quest in toy shops, but these were serious games with good rules, from people like Rick Priestly that gave a damn about these kind of things.

These kits by comparison, look like cheap knock offs you'd buy down the pub.

Well each ones does have "mock up" printed across the front.

If anything its testing the water, actual marketing and yet another good move from GW either way tbh.

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These kits by comparison, look like cheap knock offs you'd buy down the pub.

I had no idea pubs were such a hotbed of black market model kit trading.

 Rayvon wrote:
Well each ones does have "mock up" printed across the front.

If anything its testing the water, actual marketing and yet another good move from GW either way tbh.

If I'm being brutally honest, I don't share other people's optimism that GW is on the right road at last. I think that poor financial results have forced their hand, and that by bringing out new versions of bloodbowl et al, GW are drinking in the last chance saloon. It's not quite last orders yet, you'll know when that happens when the plastic thunderhawk gets mooted

But I still see a company heading for the iceberg.


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These kits by comparison, look like cheap knock offs you'd buy down the pub.

I had no idea pubs were such a hotbed of black market model kit trading.

You'd be surprised what happens down the Old Kent Road

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These kits by comparison, look like cheap knock offs you'd buy down the pub.

I had no idea pubs were such a hotbed of black market model kit trading.

You'd be surprised what happens down the Old Kent Road

"I'm off down the pub to see a man about a dog... s of war regiment that fell off the back of a lorry."

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Well each ones does have "mock up" printed across the front.

If anything its testing the water, actual marketing and yet another good move from GW either way tbh.

If I'm being brutally honest, I don't share other people's optimism that GW is on the right road at last. I think that poor financial results have forced their hand, and that by bringing out new versions of bloodbowl et al, GW are drinking in the last chance saloon. It's not quite last orders yet, you'll know when that happens when the plastic thunderhawk gets mooted

But I still see a company heading for the iceberg.


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 Nostromodamus wrote:

 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
These kits by comparison, look like cheap knock offs you'd buy down the pub.

I had no idea pubs were such a hotbed of black market model kit trading.

You'd be surprised what happens down the Old Kent Road

The last couple of years have shown a slight decline in sales fot GW. You translate that into a company going out of business?
It's amazing how much ill will people can read into the actions of a company.

"I'm off down the pub to see a man about a dog... s of war regiment that fell off the back of a lorry."

A brand new, unassembled Dogs of War regiment is gold dust

 Grimskul wrote:

 Talys wrote:
I think Toys-R-Us and Walmart would do a lot better than Michaels. Not sure about the US version of the store, but the Canadian Michaels targets a much older demographic. There's a very small fine arts section that I frequent, but most of the store is dedicated to things like dried flowers, framing, seasonal "craft" type stuff (for Halloween, Christmas, etc.), that kind of thing. I've never seen any kind of model like a Tamiya or Revell in one.

I'm on board with 40% and 50% coupons though!!

Indeed, the Michaels store near me in Mississauga really doesn't have much product for the gaming/modelling demographic, there's paint and stuff for sure but its aimed more towards arts and crafts moreso than tabletop or hobby-esque stuff.

The one by me (Cambridge) does have model kits - planes, cars, boats, etc. There's a ten foot section of the very back wall. They also have testor's paints, glue and the woodland scenics sets for trees, water, etc.

Seems to be a pretty cool idea. Focus on 2 of their most popular ranges... recycle models already designed. There is a heck of a lot of win there.
There will be some engineering issues; adding pigment will produce slight changes in the manufacturing process.

As much fun as 7th is, I'd love a pared down ruleset in the future. No mention of that (sadly).

Think at this point the discussion should really be more about the concept of what they're looking to do as opposed to what we're seeing on the sprues. As plenty of people have said, the likelihood is at this point that they're there to represent what the finished product will be like.

For me, it's a great idea - appealed straight away and a very agreeable proposed pricing structure.

I'm all for giving GW criticism when they get things wrong but this following on the heels of the Specialist Games announcement looks (so far) like two massive ticks in the positive column for them.

 foostick wrote:
Think at this point the discussion should really be more about the concept of what they're looking to do as opposed to what we're seeing on the sprues. As plenty of people have said, the likelihood is at this point that they're there to represent what the finished product will be like.

For me, it's a great idea - appealed straight away and a very agreeable proposed pricing structure.

I'm all for giving GW criticism when they get things wrong but this following on the heels of the Specialist Games announcement looks (so far) like two massive ticks in the positive column for them.

I agree with this line of thought. The boxes, and even the sprues, have a good change of being stand-in prototypes, so it's not worth getting hung up over "Those Trukks are gonna be too small!" issues. For me, the greatest hope comes with the fact these boxes we see were labelled "Series 1," so perhaps they'll release more varieties of these fun little packs. My hopes would be for Guard, Chaos, and/or Nids, maaaybe some Fire Warriors if absolutely necessary.

I think those will really be the contents of the boxes. It just doesn't make sense for GW to invest in new molds when they already have fitting ones. As 40k gamers are not the target audience it dosn't really matter if the trukk or the orks or the terminators are smaller than the current models. And they will certainly not sell the current trukk for that price.

Ragnar69 wrote:
I think those will really be the contents of the boxes. It just doesn't make sense for GW to invest in new molds when they already have fitting ones. As 40k gamers are not the target audience it dosn't really matter if the trukk or the orks or the terminators are smaller than the current models. And they will certainly not sell the current trukk for that price.

We'll have to see. There's a lot of stuff it could or couldn't be. They still have the sprues from Dark Vengeance, AoBR, etc that they can pull from.

Trukks aren't a hugely complex kit now and it might be they're making a "snapfit" version hence the mock-up tag.

I would love to see some sort of "Age of 40k" type ruleset included with these.

Hell, I wanted them to put an Age of Sigmar rule pamphlet in the Start Collecting boxes too.

I'd love something akin to Heroscape- simple rules for beginners, much more complex rules for the older crowd/ people looking for more meaty rules.