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Literal copy paste, didn't even put Malefic in the Psyker sections LOL.

Requizen wrote:


Neither seems changed. Good for Be'lakor, meh for the Exalted Flamer.

Warpflame unchanged. Meh, would have been nice to get a bonus on it but I'm kinda non plussed.

Grimoire Collection:

A beautifully-presented, compact collection limited to 500 copies, the Chaos Daemons Grimoire Collection is the best way for Chaos Daemons players to get all the juicy new rules content from Curse of the Wulfen, without those pesky Space Wolves getting in the way! It contains six metal objective markers, twenty-one psychic power cards, thirty-six tactical objective cards, a mini Codex: Chaos Daemons featuring an exclusive cover design and an exclusive thirty-two page booklet - this contains new formations, new datasheets, new god-specific Warlord Traits, new Hellforged Artefacts and new psychic powers.

So, notes:
-God specific Warlord Traits has me iffy. 3 Warlord Trait tables? That's a lot. If only one tables gets the Reroll Daemonic Instability, the other two will probably just be ignored.
-New Hellforged Artefacts probably means we're not getting any alternative options (i.e. still part of the Exalted Rewards table), but I don't know if "new" means "replacing old ones" or "additional artefacts".

Belakor will be in the new book? Sweet, time to give him a try and rickroll some of my friends

Wow. They didn't put malefic in psyker options.

Now I'm very prepared to be incredibly disappointed.

Requizen wrote:
Literal copy paste, didn't even put Malefic in the Psyker sections LOL.

Ha! And they expect us to pay $200 Canadian for this crap?! Nice try GW.

Just got an email about the codices, but it's not on their website. Anyone know when it will be available for pre order?

Who the feth is going to buy the grimoire collection.

What company thinks they can repackage a product fancy and sell it to you again, for an absurd price, when it's almost the exact same gak it was before. They made a sweet booklet and all that fancy superfluous stuff, what's the point?

It's almost false advertising. It should notify the customers that it contains very little content that's any different from the 6th codex and dataslates people already have. It's like paying 7000$ for a jacket when a 25$ one you've had for years is only a very small amount different.

I get selling the new rules, but why dress it up like that and lie to everyone, including yourself. Why not treat two factions equally when they do these campaign releases.

 jreilly89 wrote:
Just got an email about the codices, but it's not on their website. Anyone know when it will be available for pre order?

preorders should go live when your local clock rolls round to tomorrow, New Zealands has which is where the pictures are coming from now

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Who the feth is going to buy the grimoire collection.

What company thinks they can repackage a product fancy and sell it to you again, for an absurd price, when it's almost the exact same gak it was before. They made a sweet booklet and all that fancy superfluous stuff, what's the point?

It's almost false advertising. It should notify the customers that it contains very little content that's any different from the 6th codex and dataslates people already have. It's like paying 7000$ for a jacket when a 25$ one you've had for years is only a very small amount different.

I get selling the new rules, but why dress it up like that and lie to everyone, including yourself. Why not treat two factions equally when they do these campaign releases.

*slow clap*
I'm seriously contemplating not even bothering with the campaign book itself... Probably just get the Daemon datacards as at least they'll be new stuff there.

The formations I'm expecting to be worthless, especially as a primarily Tzeentch player. And I'm not shelling out $90 for a couple new relics!

Pointless release is pointless at this point.

Requizen wrote:
Literal copy paste, didn't even put Malefic in the Psyker sections LOL.

So daemons lose Malefic? Awesome.

They still get it from the BRB. They never had it in their ALE before this either.

It's the excitement being crushed out of me that annoys me the most. Kinda explains why gw doesn't leak what they're releasing. It lets them sell minimal effort product to people who don't scrub forums for rumours.

if the release sucks completely, they have at most another year of me being a potential customer. Maybe not even that long. I'm beginning to understand why people have switched to other game systems.

Although, if I liked space wolves, I would be happy right now.

That's enough Negative Nancy for today, I suppose.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
They still get it from the BRB. They never had it in their ALE before this either.

I'm sure some will argue that specific rules trump general ones.

 Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
They still get it from the BRB. They never had it in their ALE before this either.

I'm sure some will argue that specific rules trump general ones.

FAQ is always more specific than Codex or Supplement and the FAQ gives it to them. No question unless they remove that from the site.

It is a bummer. Looks to be more of a campaign focus on the daemon side of things (adding a few bits) than a proper update of the CD book.

I told you.


This is an expansion... supplement... collector's edition... campaign... set.


PLOOSE BUY IT

Rules leak in the SW thread via Iuchiban

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
They still get it from the BRB. They never had it in their ALE before this either.

It's the excitement being crushed out of me that annoys me the most. Kinda explains why gw doesn't leak what they're releasing. It lets them sell minimal effort product to people who don't scrub forums for rumours.

if the release sucks completely, they have at most another year of me being a potential customer. Maybe not even that long. I'm beginning to understand why people have switched to other game systems.

Although, if I liked space wolves, I would be happy right now.

That's enough Negative Nancy for today, I suppose.

Well, at the very least the likes of Sad Panda have hinted that 2017 is supposedly going to be 'our year'. Considering that I've been waiting since Nov 2007 for actual, decent rules that give us back our stolen flavour, I figure that another 18 months or so isn't an eternity. (though it'll definitely feel like it!)

GW have proven that when they give a damn, they can produce really good stuff for Chaos, as our 6th ed Daemons codex was easily one of the single best books from 6th through early 7th. (if not the outright best, from fluff & character, to internal & external balance)
Outside of 1 hugely abusive gimmick (that admittedly requires the investment of 800+ points to make work!), and really bad dice going against you (which every army can equally suffer from!), almost every single in our book is/was usable up until the newest 7.5 craziness hit the fan.

So I'll bitterly sit back and continue to wait for Chaos to get it's long awaited due.
If however next year sees nothing, or worse yet, a continuation of GW treating Chaos as nothing more than a joke army who's only role is to play punching bag for snot-nosed 10 year olds to feel special about themselves, then yeah, I'm likely through with actually playing games in general, except against a small circle of friends where we can mix-and-match rules the way we want.

Basically, what needs to happen next year for me is:
1. New codices for both Marines + Daemons that are at least on the same level as the likes of DA's/SW's/Ad Mech.

2. The Chaos Marine like must be 100% overhauled and re-booted. I'm simply fed up with being gouged by the 'Chaos Tax' and forced to shell out for half the Loyalist range just so we can build our basic codex equipment options!
At this point, we really deserve a 3 month release minimum across both armies and 12+ new kits for Chaos Marines alone to re-boot the model line... basic Marines, Chosen, Terminators, Havocs, Cultists, 'Zerkers, Noise Marines, Plaguemarines, Oblit/Mutie combi kit, variant Rhino + Land Raider are absolute musts.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Rules leak in the SW thread via Iuchiban

And yet again, Loyalists have stolen one of our few remaining unique abilities... Mind you, if Beasts are just Nurgle's beloved puppies, then I guess we can't be too sore that a bunch of mongrel, flee infested Imperial dogs are treated similar!?

Iuchiban wrote:

Daemon Decurión is called Daemonic Incursion

Special rules:
- Demonic corruption: Objetive tokens count always as controlled, if at least they were controlled by a Demon unit before. This Works even if the unit is destroyed.
- Warp unleashed: Reroll instability
- Demonic Power: +1 or -1 to the Warp Strom table after rolling

Hot damn these aren't bad at all.

Iuchiban wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Iuchiban:

Specifically, do Daemons have a formation of Psykers that get to cast on 2+, similar to Librarius Conclave or the like?

No but there are new specific artefacts for each God. And 3 new Psyker Disciplings for each God, with 7 powers each. And new god-specific warlord traits

THIS is a kick to the ethereal nuts though. No 2+? *sigh*.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Iuchiban wrote:

Daemon Decurión is called Daemonic Incursion

Special rules:
- Demonic corruption: Objetive tokens count always as controlled, if at least they were controlled by a Demon unit before. This Works even if the unit is destroyed.
- Warp unleashed: Reroll instability
- Demonic Power: +1 or -1 to the Warp Strom table after rolling

Hot damn these aren't bad at all.

Yeah, we get a nice toy!

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:

Iuchiban wrote:

Requizen wrote:
Iuchiban:

Specifically, do Daemons have a formation of Psykers that get to cast on 2+, similar to Librarius Conclave or the like?

No but there are new specific artefacts for each God. And 3 new Psyker Disciplings for each God, with 7 powers each. And new god-specific warlord traits

THIS is a kick to the ethereal nuts though. No 2+? *sigh*.

Aaaaaaaand Tzeentch still sucks...

Khorne Relics:

Iuchiban wrote:

A'rgath,king of swords: +1S, AP3, Specialist weapon, when fighting in a challenge always hits with 2+. 15 points

Lifetaker : AP2, Specialist weapong, 6 to wound are Instant Death, for every model killed, unit suffers 1D3 hits S3, AP4. 15 points

Crimson Crown; All Khorne Daemons at 8" get +1A. 40 points

Skullcutter: AP2, Specialist weapon, 6 to hit are SD.30 points (THAT ONE IS DAMN GOOD).

Khartoth, the blood thirsty: +1S, AP3, If a model suffers an unsaved wound remove it from the game. At the beginning of the model controller's turn roll a D6. With 4+ the model comes back to play via Deep strike, at 12" or less from the point it was removed from game.

Armour of something: 3+ Armour save, Adamantium will, -1S to when attacking its bearer.

No one said full relics per god!

Yeah this was unexpected.

inb4 Khorne and Nurgle get a full list, Slaanesh only gets 1 meh one and Tzeentch only gets 1 terrible one.

 Matt.Kingsley wrote:
Yeah this was unexpected.

inb4 Khorne and Nurgle get a full list, Slaanesh only gets 1 meh one and Tzeentch only gets 1 terrible one.

Well, currently the formation bonus seems to atleast buff slaanesh demons, so it looks like everyones atleast getting a little love.

I'm trying to figure out how much of the new content is for Nurgle.

... the SWs got a Formation of Psykers that harness WCs on a 3+ and gives them a unique Psychic power.

No doubt Tzeentch gets nothing of the sort.

Iuchiban wrote:
DP Formation:
4 DP
Every deamon must be aligned with a different God.
They get following accumulative benefits depending on how many models remain on the battlefield.
4 models: +1T
3 models: +1S
2 models: Reroll 1's to hit
1 model: No benefit

If your warlord is one of the DP, then all of them get the same warlord trait.

Speaking of Tzeentch...

Iuchiban wrote:
Let's go with Tzeetch:

Artefacts:

Paradox: AP4, Combat, Once per turn you can, after rolling for a psychic power turn the dices around. So, for example a roll of 1, 3 and 5, becomes 2, 4 and 6. 25 points

Unending grimorie: Bearer knows all the powers of the change discipline. 35 points

Scourge of souls: Combat, Fleshbane, AP is equal to the I of the target. Against vehicles is AP1. 15 points

Oracle disc: Disc of Tzeenth. At the beginning of your turn choose a unit in Reserves. That unit enters the game automatically. 35 points.

"Unable to translate": Bearer gets 3++ save, Every time bearer suffers a wound must take a Ld test. If failed is removed from game. 25 points.

Eternal staff. Combat, AP4, soulblaze or Template, S5, AP3 Soulblaze. 20 points

Psychic powers:

Primaris: Same a codex Daemons
1. Same as 1-2 from Daemon codex
2. Same as 3-4 from Daemon codex
3. Nova. S1D6, AP4, Assault 2D6 Ignore cover, warp flames
4. Invocation, 12", with 2 WC creates a Exalted Flamer of Tzeentch, with 3WC invoke 3 flamers of tzeentch or 1 burning chariot.
5. Same as 5-6 from Daemon codex.
6. Witch fire. 18". SD, AP1, Assault 1

That 3++ relic is actually so bad. 5 points more than a Stormshied and it can kill you. Why? It's bad if your forget the tricks Daemons can pull

Dat 6 though. Infinite D shots.

Daemon princes are still disappointing. The plus side is I don't need to pirchase a 4th

 Swampmist wrote:
Dat 6 though. Infinite D shots.

How is it infinite Str.D shots? It's a paltry 18", and likely will be at least WC2, if not even WC3.
Tzeentch is still the most useless God, and likely will still have the crappiest lore of the 3.

The Daemon Prince formation is complete garbage... Spend the better part of 1000-1200pts for +1T/+1S? Seriously, that's hilariously bad!

I kinda like the demon prince one.

I think the 3++ one is more expensive because it will be really easy to buff that tzeentch models invul up even further and he re-rolls 1's already.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Dat 6 though. Infinite D shots.

How is it infinite Str.D shots? It's a paltry 18", and likely will be at least WC2, if not even WC3.
Tzeentch is still the most useless God, and likely will still have the crappiest lore of the 3.

The Daemon Prince formation is complete garbage... Spend the better part of 1000-1200pts for +1T/+1S? Seriously, that's hilariously bad!

So, you have one of the longest ranged D weapons, second only to the Wraithknight and the Titans, and you can guarantee it with a relic. Sounds good to me, seeing as you can have a ton of charges to cast with.

 Swampmist wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Swampmist wrote:
Dat 6 though. Infinite D shots.

How is it infinite Str.D shots? It's a paltry 18", and likely will be at least WC2, if not even WC3.
Tzeentch is still the most useless God, and likely will still have the crappiest lore of the 3.

The Daemon Prince formation is complete garbage... Spend the better part of 1000-1200pts for +1T/+1S? Seriously, that's hilariously bad!

So, you have one of the longest ranged D weapons, second only to the Wraithknight and the Titans, and you can guarantee it with a relic. Sounds good to me, seeing as you can have a ton of charges to cast with.

Except that Tzeentch's main issues, especially with mono Tzeentch, is that Tzeentch powers cost too many WC's for too few shots!!

Horrors are garbage still! Their one main job is to act as magical artillery. It takes on average 7-8WC's to cast their basic spell - Flickering Fire, reliably, and then you still have to roll for the number of shots fired, (4D6), which then have to still hit (with only BS3), then wound (usually on 3's or 2's depending on toughness and/or a Tzherald w/Locus boost), and then get through armour/cover/invuln/FnP, and then you have a chance to possibly boost the unit you just shot at with FnP!

Tzeentch worked fine in 6th because you had actual volume of fire between Tzheralds buffing Horrors. Now, 7th has nerfed Witchfires in general into the ground, and our Warpflame based attacks are split between an unplayable psychic shooting mechanic AND the Shooting phase!

Tzeentch is still complete trash. Unless we get a formation that allows Pinkies to harness on a 2+, my army is still relegated to being a LoC delivery system, boring summon spam which gets me labeled a TFG, and Horrors who are better at flipping battle tanks and beating face than they are at ****ing MAGIC!