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I've never seen Curze as "Space Batman", but much more complicated. Split personality, utterly nihilistic, a sense of connection to his men and at the same time a revolting disgust of them.

Curze is the dichotomy of man becoming god. He can do everything, but can't change anything. Which leads to existence being a game, and you just pick which one you like.

I also think he had to die. He could've potentially been like a new chaos god of fear and terror, taking significantly from the others. Notice the warp didn't seem to court him at all? He was already chaos.

On topic.

Cowards feel fear. The NL are not afraid; they are vicious murdering scoundrels.

CShaffer

Whenever they go on terror raids out of the EoT if they see particularly spunky kids they take em. Had an entire short story about it in one of the compendiums

Any idea of the reference of this story? I'd be delighted to read it!

IMPERIUM = equal to North korea or better the soviet COMMUNIST state like life style, but with a better propaganda technology and banner thats it!

CHAOS = equal to the HARD WORK earned life at CAPITALIST state to earn the four figure money? and get kicked to the street if you fail

yeah and lot of you guys are fooled enough and choose??

febriannas wrote:
IMPERIUM = equal to North korea or better the soviet COMMUNIST state like life style, but with a better propaganda technology and banner thats it!

CHAOS = equal to the HARD WORK earned life at CAPITALIST state to earn the four figure money? and get kicked to the street if you fail

yeah and lot of you guys are fooled enough and choose??

Heh? I don't really see how this is relevant to the OP's question or the Night Lords as a Legion in general.

Also I don't see Night Lords as cowards but rather as opportunists, they'll engage only when they have an angle they can exploit which they do so with gusto and to an excess that garners them the most satisfaction. Once that opportunity is lost (i.e. reinforcements come in), they lose interest and make sure to bugger out and find other places to raid and despoil.

febriannas wrote:
IMPERIUM = equal to North korea or better the soviet COMMUNIST state like life style, but with a better propaganda technology and banner thats it!

CHAOS = equal to the HARD WORK earned life at CAPITALIST state to earn the four figure money? and get kicked to the street if you fail

yeah and lot of you guys are fooled enough and choose??

Heh? I don't really see how this is relevant to the OP's question or the Night Lords as a Legion in general.

It has indeed no relation with the topic, but let's say it's a beginner mistake.

On topic, I'm really starting to comprehend the whole range of conversion such history could open for a night lord army. Since they are rampaging through the Imperium, I guess a mix of heresy era and recently stolen wargear could be great. Again, I'm trying to know if NL have been stated having a base elsewhere than the EoT and gathering as many battle records I can find !

 RazgrizOne wrote:

febriannas wrote:
IMPERIUM = equal to North korea or better the soviet COMMUNIST state like life style, but with a better propaganda technology and banner thats it!

CHAOS = equal to the HARD WORK earned life at CAPITALIST state to earn the four figure money? and get kicked to the street if you fail

yeah and lot of you guys are fooled enough and choose??

Heh? I don't really see how this is relevant to the OP's question or the Night Lords as a Legion in general.

It has indeed no relation with the topic, but let's say it's a beginner mistake.

On topic, I'm really starting to comprehend the whole range of conversion such history could open for a night lord army. Since they are rampaging through the Imperium, I guess a mix of heresy era and recently stolen wargear could be great. Again, I'm trying to know if NL have been stated having a base elsewhere than the EoT and gathering as many battle records I can find !

I am not sure that IS HAS been stated they have a base in the EOT? certainly my impression was that following the Heresy they were roaming the imperium rather than licking their wounds in the eye. That's not to say that they don't or cant as logic would say they probably have.

Actually, I've read somewhere that a, after the heresy, a NL great company leaded by a recently ascended demonprince elected a world in the EoT (please note the precision of my source ^^)

But yes, I think the five others are still hanging around in the galaxy.

From the Index Astartes article on the Night Lords

Since the Night Lords lost their Primarch it would seem that they are one of many Chaos Space Marine forces based in the Eye of Terror. Most likely they have found some shadowy daemon realm in which to exist, although this conclusion is mere hypothesis. Without committing extensive resources, it is unlikely the Imperium will be able to tackle the threat of the Night Lords at their source.

It might have changed although it is likely that the Night Lords would set up their bases in the EoT as it's the safest place for them. But the Imperium is a big place and there are plenty of places to hide wihtou going to the EoT.

It goes back to them living in the dark as kids.
Bump into someone in the dark, where you might end up in the pot and its fight or flight. As soon as things go bad, Its bolt back into the dark, its that ingrained that even becoming a marine couldnt get rid of it, though I doubt there was much training/ indoctrination back then.
Becoming a marine enabled them to become the big guy in the dark, where most things would be prey. They loved not being the scared little rabbits in the hole, but when they come up against something bigger and stronger, Its run away time again.

@Pilau Rice

Thanks fo contributing. Are you in possession of Index Astartes II? If yes, does it contain any extra info than that one can find on 40k wikis? If you have other valuable input, I'm all hears .

Oh, and I've just seen a post by Aeon on Proposed rules. I think he made out some houserules or gathered old rules from Chapter Approved to give extra flavour to CSM. There is also a nice fluff description, with some stuff I did not read earlier, and I wanted to draw attention on this particular aspect. Check out the link below for the NL ; I'll be interested in what you guys think / have to add to this.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/14yfon9apz0czz8/4...0Lords.pdf?dl=0

Though If you read Pharos. They dont seem to have a problem getting slaughtered 5 to 1. Sigh.

I prefer to think of them as Evil Batman. An even fight is a sucker's bet. Fade away and strike when and where the enemy isn't looking. Terror is a powerful weapon, and it's best employed unseen from the shadows. Hit hard and run when faced with serious opposition... it's usually not worth taking losses.

This method could easily be seen as cowardice by legions with a straightforward martial tradition.

Always consider the bias and reliability of the narrator in canon sources.

Most importantly... How do YOU see the Night Lords? Granted, the legion largely stems from convict scum, and that should figure in their outlook and customs, but if you don't see them as cowardly then they're not. For you. 40k is very flexible that way.

My two cents.