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Hey guys, so I thought up a fun idea for the community to (hopefully) engage in. The idea is simple; create the nastiest army list possible within the parameters set below and theory-craft the cheesiest combinations you can think of. If a thread like this already exists, just merge the two and bump that one! Here are the rules;

1) It is 1850 points (the "tournament standard").
2) You must be Battle Forged.
3) Apocalypse Formations are allowed, but you are still bound by the Allies Matrix and other normal rules.

Thanks to jy2 for the suggested changes! Basically, this is an exercise in seeing what uncomped 40K can be like (i.e. no tournament FAQs, ITC rules, etc).

This doesn't make sense. You are purposefully breaking the rules to create units that can never, ever legally exist? These combos can never be, so what's the point of the exercise?

In that case, why not just make up rules? I have a character with T10 10W 2++ Invuln with a special Relic. At the beginning of my turn, I roll a dice. On a 2+, I win!

I get your point, I was more just looking at what would theoretically be possible if the Allies limitations in particular were removed. In any case, I'll change the restrictions per your advice.
Also slightly tipsy today lol, a bunch of friends and I were asking each other the same question which led to this thread!

We do this in our Apoc games because the IoM would have a massive advantage, what with Xenos rolling for OEO.

We've put Grav Mechanicum in Tyrranocytes, had Invisible Canoptek Wraiths and Riptides, etc etc. All sorts of nasty stuff

Oh for our apoc games we normally just have everyone be considered allies of convenience. That way there isn't OEO but nobody uses someone else's transports either.

Nastiest list? Isn't that like 5-6 Wraithknights?

It could be till I point an army of grav your way. I think this would be more entertaining if we were running bound with no unbound allowex

marcman wrote:
It could be till I point an army of grav your way. I think this would be more entertaining if we were running bound with no unbound allowex

For the most part, I agree. With virtually unlimited detachments allowed and Come the Apoc allies being a 'thing', Unbound is basically pointless.

So assuming 1850, Battle Forged, but no other restrictions, I have actually played what I believe is the nastiest list.

Eldar CAD with Scatterbikes, a WK and a Crimson Hunter, plus 2 Necron Canoptek Harvests. I've won 2 Tournies with this and in all 6 games I received full mission points. Most of my opponents had vey little on the board by turn 3. I almost tabled a Decurion. The overwhelming shooting and fast durable CC is a match made in heaven (or the other place, depending on what side of the table you are on).

One match up that would give the list trouble would be Drop Pod Grav spam, but I don't think that any army is truly without a counter. This is rock, paper, scissors with dice afterall.


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I agree pairing anything with those harvests is really strong! I do this as well lol

Well...... its a few points over so probably won't count, but I can field 2 knight gallants, a knight warden and a warhound. I suppose I could use the warden as another gallant and come in at 1850.

Caederes wrote:
Hey guys, so I thought up a fun idea for the community to (hopefully) engage in. The idea is simple; create the nastiest army list possible within the parameters set below and theory-craft the cheesiest combinations you can think of. If a thread like this already exists, just merge the two and bump that one! Here are the rules;

1) It is 1850 points (the "tournament standard").
2) You can be Battle Forged or Unbound, whatever suits your fancy.
3) Apocalypse Formations are allowed, but you are still bound by the Allies Matrix and other normal rules.

Thanks to jy2 for the suggested changes! Basically, this is an exercise in seeing what uncomped 40K can be like (i.e. no tournament FAQs, ITC rules, etc).

Oddly I am doing this same experiment on my local forum because I am planning something I call the Rocky Project. so this should be interesting to read. Only with legal lists in my case.

3) Apocalypse Formations are allowed, but you are still bound by the Allies Matrix and other normal rules.

Whats that 5-6 WK formation in apoc? they all go up to ws10 and bs10 depending on how many are in it.
Yikes. Could get 6 at 1850.

Edited to rectify

Gemini Knights

2 Eldar Revenants

You target one, you may only snap shot at the other

if one of them gets a hit on a unit, the other is TL against that same unit.

1800 on the nose, and thanks to the new Revenants in IA11.5, even more ridiculkous than ever before.

Win by tabling every time

 Ratius wrote:

3) Apocalypse Formations are allowed, but you are still bound by the Allies Matrix and other normal rules.

Whats that 5-6 WK formation in apoc? they all go up to ws10 and bs10 depending on how many are in it.
Yikes. Could get 6 at 1850.

It's 3-5 knights, but yeah, that formation is ridiculous, especially since at the time it came out, WK's were only MC's and not GMC's yet.

 IHateNids wrote:
Edited to rectify

Gemini Knights

2 Eldar Revenants

You target one, you may only snap shot at the other

if one of them gets a hit on a unit, the other is TL against that same unit.

1800 on the nose, and thanks to the new Revenants in IA11.5, even more ridiculkous than ever before.

Win by tabling every time

I've never heard of this formation. Where is it from?

2 Revenant titans is hardly game-breaking. A 5-6 flyrant Tyranid MSU army or any other flyer-heavy armies will give it trouble.

 jy2 wrote:

2 Revenant titans is hardly game-breaking. A 5-6 flyrant Tyranid MSU army or any other flyer-heavy armies will give it trouble.

The new Revenant Titans have str8 interceptor missiles now, so flyers are now as scary against them anymore. But I do agree they are not game breaking. If you can kill 1 WraithKnight, you can kill 1 Revenant, and since you can get 3 WK's for the price of 1 Revenant, the 3 WK's are clearly better.

I believe the Gemini Knights formation consisting of two Revenant Titans is in Warzone Valedor, otherwise it would be in the updated Doom of Mymeara. Revenants are very much capable of taking on flyers but seeing as you can take three Wraithknights per one Revenant I would err in favor of the Wraithknights.

The Wraithknight Dreamwalker Squadron is bonkers, three to five Wraithknights that get +1 to Weapon Skill, Ballistic Skill, Movement range and Charge range per Wraithknight in the formation. A full Dreamwalker Squadron gives you WS9, BS9 Wraithknights that move 17" and charge 2D6+5"! I'd probably still give them all the Ghostglaive and Scattershield combo just to make full use of that ridiculous move and WS9 to bring melee Destroyer attacks and Stomps to the enemy on turn one.

The other Apocalypse formation I commonly see brought up is the Slaaneshi Great Promenade of Exquisite Excess; it consists of sixty Daemonettes/thiry Seekers and the Masque, they all must Deep Strike, can charge on the turn they arrive from Deep Strike and have Rending on a 4+. I'm actually curious how Rending on a 4+ interacts with armor penetration rolls though, especially as the wording of the formation rule is "strike a critical blow on a 4+" - any thoughts?

By the by, I tweaked the criteria; Battle Forged is now necessary, but Apocalypse formations are treated just like any other formation in that regard. As far as justification for including Apocalypse formations, I've seen a few tournaments swing that way and honestly a lot of them are either of similar or weaker power level to the current codex standard formations. Heck, some of them got codex updates that made them stronger; Apocalypse Riptide Wing versus Mont'ka Riptide Wing is a pretty obvious victory for the latter incarnation. The ridiculous ones tend to be hugely points intensive for 1850 points, and some of them don't function properly without the full Apocalypse rules anyway. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head that are way too out of whack compared to what codices and supplements bring are the aforementioned Great Promenade and Dreamwalker Squadron, I'm probably wrong though.

Assuming this is played on a standard table. I would bring a 50/50 split of rapier laser destroyers and medusa artillery from Renegades and heretics.

1 unit of 3 rapiers is about 60pt. They are ap1 ordnance twin linked lascannon artillery. The medusa with min crew is about 85 (with breacher shells for luls) They are 36" range demolisher cannons, or a small blast ap1 48" range with armorbane.

So that would be 45 ordnance ap1 lascannons and 11 S10 large blasts/armorbane small blasts.

It would be hilarious to have that much firepower on the table.

2 eldar cad
2 jetseers
2 board sword wraith-knights
Rest hornets and scatter bikes.

GG

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Assuming this is played on a standard table. I would bring a 50/50 split of rapier laser destroyers and medusa artillery from Renegades and heretics.

1 unit of 3 rapiers is about 60pt. They are ap1 ordnance twin linked lascannon artillery. The medusa with min crew is about 85 (with breacher shells for luls) They are 36" range demolisher cannons, or a small blast ap1 48" range with armorbane.

So that would be 45 ordnance ap1 lascannons and 11 S10 large blasts/armorbane small blasts.

It would be hilarious to have that much firepower on the table.

And face fmc spam or sm charge-from deepstrike stuff.