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How is that sophie different from any other?
Give me a break.
I'm amazed that a thread that was supposed to highlight the releases and status of a game has been allowed to run rampant like this for so long. How is any of this news or rors? Create an I hate prodos thread and keep this one on topic. I guess anything that makes maelstroms edge look better is a win. Oh wait, rule 1 warnings have been tossed in here a few times so everything must be ok.
God forbid I check a news and rumors thread on an upcoming game and not have to read endless pages of crap on how boobs, oh wait again, tits I mean are designed poorly on a stupid miniature space girl.
Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote: Maybe, just maybe, a shirtless male character that is ugly but extremely muscular (like basically all those you used as example, incidentally) is not there for titillation but to portray strength and savagery. Here is a good rule of thumb for you: if the only “sexualization” you can find about a male character can also be interpreted as showing physical strength, chances are extremely high that it actually is all about showing physical strength. If the camera lingers on his barely-covered butt, then you may have a point. And case in point, people ARE scandalized when there is a male character with the same kind of ridiculous “sexy” clothes in a video game.
Yep, I totally agree.
I guess it's worth saying that portraying all male figures/heroes in popular culture as massive, muscular towers of physical strength is also a sexist, oppressive and demeaning stereotype, rooted in damaging gender roles and causing untold violence in the world. But we're also talking about war-games and games involving tons of combat, so I find the idea of the Generic Male Stereotype a lot less annoying in war-game than I do in a generic tv show, for example.
Of course, what would be nice would be a situation where male or female characters can be sexy or unsexy, massively strong or really weedy. It's when the vast majority of male characters fit one stereotype and the vast majority of female characters the other that people feel unfairly represented.
To tie it back to this, I guess part of the anger of the community is not from people saying 'female characters shouldn't be sexy' - it's from people saying 'oh my god, MORE generic female 'sexy' stuff?'.
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usernamesareannoying wrote: How is that sophie different from any other?
Give me a break.
I'm amazed that a thread that was supposed to highlight the releases and status of a game has been allowed to run rampant like this for so long. How is any of this news or rors? Create an I hate prodos thread and keep this one on topic. I guess anything that makes maelstroms edge look better is a win. Oh wait, rule 1 warnings have been tossed in here a few times so everything must be ok.
God forbid I check a news and rumors thread on an upcoming game and not have to read endless pages of crap on how boobs, oh wait again, tits I mean are designed poorly on a stupid miniature space girl.
If you ask Warzone specifically for more information they are happy to provide it . I was able to get a bunch of sketches out of them a few pages earlier.
I don't know if you agree or disagree with that picture on the right, but it's quite a ridiculous argument. No one would ever argue that sexualization of men aimed at heterosexual females doesn't exist, it obviously does. The difference is how prevalent and mainstream it is. Do you see men like that in every movie, every commercial, every magazine, every ad, like you do women? No, you don't. They are there, but the power fantasy version is MUCH more common, again unlike women. That comic on the other hand is spot on.
I do see men like that in most movies. With notable exceptions like The Godfather, when we see a fat or unattractive man it's played for laughs.
Hollywood and comics are full of beautiful people. Advertisements are full of beautiful women, as research shows that the best way to sell something to a man is via an attractive woman and the best way to sell something to a woman is via an attractive woman.
Space Marines are absolutely a male power fantasy, but a rather limited one. They are grizzled violent soldiers, but ugly and asexual. Unlike an Arnie movie, they do not 'get the girl' at the end as a reward for their heroism.
I agree that these models are outright sexualisation of women. They're not my cup of beverage right now, but I don't object to their existence, just as I don't object to brooding muscled shirtless guys populating womens fantasy novels and media.
The point the comic tries to make is that women aren't attracted to big beefy guys (demonstrably false) but rather dexterous, flexible handsome men. The best refutation I've seen replaces the feminised Batman at the end with Terry McGuinness, of Batman Beyond who meets most of the criteria.
What I said was :
“Maybe, just maybe, a shirtless male character that is ugly but extremely muscular (like basically all those you used as example, incidentally) is not there for titillation but to portray strength and savagery.”
Your answer was a bunch of pictures of guys with pretty faces? I am not sure you understand how this work. Maybe you should take a few training sessions.
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=Angel= wrote: The point the comic tries to make is that women aren't attracted to big beefy guys (demonstrably false) but rather dexterous, flexible handsome men.
Damn, way to miss the point. The point that comics makes is that Batman and other super heroes are not designed to be sexually attractive to heterosexual women.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
I remember seeing a paint job with a purplish skin tone and wondering what had happened to miniatures whilst I'd been gone.
Oh..I've seen that before. It doesn't really have a "anus" but is still quite nude..so yeah ..
Not for nothing but what a pretty paint job....That's a really well done face.
I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
@usernamesareannoying It wasn't my intention to single out that particular sophie as better or worse than any others, when I saw the pictures I wasn't aware that sophie was a 'thing,' I just saw a winged woman presenting her anus in 28mm, and my reaction to it was what I was referring to.
I remember seeing a paint job with a purplish skin tone and wondering what had happened to miniatures whilst I'd been gone.
Oh..I've seen that before. It doesn't really have a "anus" but is still quite nude..so yeah ..
Not for nothing but what a pretty paint job....That's a really well done face.
I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
@usernamesareannoying It wasn't my intention to single out that particular sophie as better or worse than any others, when I saw the pictures I wasn't aware that sophie was a 'thing,' I just saw a winged woman presenting her anus in 28mm, and my reaction to it was what I was referring to.
makes more sense JamesY, thanks.
there's definitely a big difference between presenting someone their ass and someone presenting their anus
I remember seeing a paint job with a purplish skin tone and wondering what had happened to miniatures whilst I'd been gone.
Oh..I've seen that before. It doesn't really have a "anus" but is still quite nude..so yeah ..
Not for nothing but what a pretty paint job....That's a really well done face.
I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
@usernamesareannoying It wasn't my intention to single out that particular sophie as better or worse than any others, when I saw the pictures I wasn't aware that sophie was a 'thing,' I just saw a winged woman presenting her anus in 28mm, and my reaction to it was what I was referring to.
What the hell am I reading here?! Are you telling me someone took the time to paint that on to a mini?! Who would even do that?!
These are the same people that read trash like Crossed and watch The Human Centipede aren't they? I'm no prude but come on! This is why we can't have nice things.
What I said was :
“Maybe, just maybe, a shirtless male character that is ugly but extremely muscular (like basically all those you used as example, incidentally) is not there for titillation but to portray strength and savagery.”
Your answer was a bunch of pictures of guys with pretty faces? I am not sure you understand how this work. Maybe you should take a few training sessions.
I was agreeing with you! You gave an example where the comic would be true-certainly ugly huge guys like Space marines fall into the strength and savagery category.
I don't think there are a lot of wargames miniatures that are pretty-boys by design, nor do I think there's a large market for them.
=Angel= wrote: The point the comic tries to make is that women aren't attracted to big beefy guys (demonstrably false) but rather dexterous, flexible handsome men.
Damn, way to miss the point. The point that comics makes is that Batman and other super heroes are not designed to be sexually attractive to heterosexual women.
Damn, got me there. There's no way physical attractiveness to girls has ever played any role in the design of a superhero or in the casting/content of a superhero movie.
Mymearan wrote: Do you see men like that in every movie, every commercial, every magazine, every ad, like you do women? No, you don't. They are there, but the power fantasy version is MUCH more common, again unlike women. That comic on the other hand is spot on.
Actually I'd say you do tend to see men like that pretty much everywhere in movies, commercials, magazines and ads. The media message to men is similar as it is to women, if you aren't very fit and attractive you better be funny and/or smart.
Also I've seen that comic on the left frequently, I'm not convinced bug-eyed thick lipped batman is what "women" find attractive anyway
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I remember seeing a paint job with a purplish skin tone and wondering what had happened to miniatures whilst I'd been gone.
Oh..I've seen that before. It doesn't really have a "anus" but is still quite nude..so yeah ..
Not for nothing but what a pretty paint job....That's a really well done face.
I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
@usernamesareannoying It wasn't my intention to single out that particular sophie as better or worse than any others, when I saw the pictures I wasn't aware that sophie was a 'thing,' I just saw a winged woman presenting her anus in 28mm, and my reaction to it was what I was referring to.
What the hell am I reading here?! Are you telling me someone took the time to paint that on to a mini?! Who would even do that?!
These are the same people that read trash like Crossed and watch The Human Centipede aren't they? I'm no prude but come on! This is why we can't have nice things.
Indeed. I have seen some weird additions through paint, like Slannesh chaos warriors with, secretions, running down their leg, but I genuinely thought it was a part of the sculpt.
ps if that was an Archer reference at the end of your post, noticed and appreciated.
@usernamesareannoying there most definitely is!
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I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! Ignore every other comment here...Your telling me some one PAINTED an anus on that miniature Like...they added it? REALLY?
That right there.....blows my mind
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I'm happy to concede that on the original image I saw it might have been painted on, it was obviously a very talented painter. Those images where removed from the reaper forum because of how gratuitous they were.
WHOA WHOA WHOA!!! Ignore every other comment here...Your telling me some one PAINTED an anus on that miniature Like...they added it? REALLY?
That right there.....blows my mind
If it isn't part of the sculpt they must have. why isn't there an orkmoticon for vomiting?
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=Angel= wrote: Damn, got me there. There's no way physical attractiveness to girls has ever played any role in the design of a superhero or in the casting/content of a superhero movie.
Spoiler:
I am surprised that you did not at least post some Batman movie! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr6gACml4h0 And yeah, recent movies tends to care a bit more about proving het women with eye-candy.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
Are you talking about the original material, or the remixed version? Because if you are talking only about the remixed version, it says things about you.
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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1268665798467432449/photo/1
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Are you talking about the original material, or the remixed version? Because if you are talking only about the remixed version, it says things about you.
Remixed version. Probably does so
Dman137 wrote:
goobs is all you guys will ever be
By 1-irt: Still as long as Hissy keeps showing up this is one of the most entertaining threads ever.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Now for me Artemis behavior is more than offensive Calling another business a liar and demanding proof of sales numbers to back a statement is to me at least unheard of and his attacks on the "tastefulness" (subjective) of the product and the quality of the product (subjective?) are questionable since his company produces the same thing essentially, scantly clad or nude male and female figures in sexualised poses and illogical attire for the task at hand.
Dude, I'm totally fine with your last word addiction 'if' you don't keep adding new and random 'facts' to it. By all means, once again, state your opinion on whether or not we sell the same things, I've already disagreed enough, just repeat yourself if ya like, happy to let it go.
'But' don't be adding bs. At zero point have I demanded proof of sales, quite the opposite in fact. My joke was clearly that we could already 'see' proof of sales and that when I pointed it out they removed it from their site (and then claimed it was for a completely different reason). That would be funny to me in 'any' thread.
I have no interest in seeing any proof of sales of this game (and if I did, Prodos shouldn't give a flying monkey's tump anyway), to be honest seeing the small numbers they sold in the first days already depressed me so the last thing I want is to know there were more people out there buying this.
PsychoticStorm wrote: Now for me Artemis behavior is more than offensive Calling another business a liar and demanding proof of sales numbers to back a statement is to me at least unheard of and his attacks on the "tastefulness" (subjective) of the product and the quality of the product (subjective?) are questionable since his company produces the same thing essentially, scantly clad or nude male and female figures in sexualised poses and illogical attire for the task at hand.
Dude, I'm totally fine with your last word addiction 'if' you don't keep adding new and random 'facts' to it. By all means, once again, state your opinion on whether or not we sell the same things, I've already disagreed enough, just repeat yourself if ya like, happy to let it go.
'But' don't be adding bs. At zero point have I demanded proof of sales, quite the opposite in fact. My joke was clearly that we could already 'see' proof of sales and that when I pointed it out they removed it from their site (and then claimed it was for a completely different reason). That would be funny to me in 'any' thread.
I have no interest in seeing any proof of sales of this game (and if I did, Prodos shouldn't give a flying monkey's tump anyway), to be honest seeing the small numbers they sold in the first days already depressed me so the last thing I want is to know there were more people out there buying this.
So why are you still here? Is there a 'this is sexist dog gak' merit badge in it for you?
PsychoticStorm wrote: Now for me Artemis behavior is more than offensive Calling another business a liar and demanding proof of sales numbers to back a statement is to me at least unheard of and his attacks on the "tastefulness" (subjective) of the product and the quality of the product (subjective?) are questionable since his company produces the same thing essentially, scantly clad or nude male and female figures in sexualised poses and illogical attire for the task at hand.
Dude, I'm totally fine with your last word addiction 'if' you don't keep adding new and random 'facts' to it. By all means, once again, state your opinion on whether or not we sell the same things, I've already disagreed enough, just repeat yourself if ya like, happy to let it go.
'But' don't be adding bs. At zero point have I demanded proof of sales, quite the opposite in fact. My joke was clearly that we could already 'see' proof of sales and that when I pointed it out they removed it from their site (and then claimed it was for a completely different reason). That would be funny to me in 'any' thread.
I have no interest in seeing any proof of sales of this game (and if I did, Prodos shouldn't give a flying monkey's tump anyway), to be honest seeing the small numbers they sold in the first days already depressed me so the last thing I want is to know there were more people out there buying this.
So why are you still here? Is there a 'this is sexist dog gak' merit badge in it for you?
Same reason you are, I hope, I have an interest in the subject. Obviously not the same interest you do but that's how discussion forums work right?
Rather nice actually. I think that this rather nicely goes to support my point that the 'problems' that people have with this line are not really attributable to this (IMO, juvenile) accusation of "sexism", but that many of the originally shown items simply didn't live up to a consistent level of quality.
What I said was :
“Maybe, just maybe, a shirtless male character that is ugly but extremely muscular (like basically all those you used as example, incidentally) is not there for titillation but to portray strength and savagery.”
Your answer was a bunch of pictures of guys with pretty faces? I am not sure you understand how this work. Maybe you should take a few training sessions.
I was agreeing with you! You gave an example where the comic would be true-certainly ugly huge guys like Space marines fall into the strength and savagery category.
I don't think there are a lot of wargames miniatures that are pretty-boys by design, nor do I think there's a large market for them.
=Angel= wrote: The point the comic tries to make is that women aren't attracted to big beefy guys (demonstrably false) but rather dexterous, flexible handsome men.
Damn, way to miss the point. The point that comics makes is that Batman and other super heroes are not designed to be sexually attractive to heterosexual women.
Damn, got me there. There's no way physical attractiveness to girls has ever played any role in the design of a superhero or in the casting/content of a superhero movie.
More of my gay male friends liked Thor then my heterosexual female friends .
Much of nerd culture has homoerotic overtones that are appealing to homosexual men.
More of my gay male friends liked Thor then my heterosexual female friends .
Much of nerd culture has homoerotic overtones that are appealing to homosexual men.
Just saying...
First, some wisdom from Opus;
Second, are you alleging that men, who unlike women are primarily sexually stimulated visually, are... visually stimulated?! Gasp!
In all seriousness, of course. It's like Playgirl Magazine, the great attempt to market to women as if they have the same tastes as men... and it ends up being largely supported by gay men. Because men like to look at pictures, and women by and large don't.
Which is rather a capsule of the amusing back and forth in this thread; one group alleging that it's sexist to treat women differently then men, contrasted with other claiming it is sexist to treat women the same as men.
That's what's so great: as I pointed out before, Prodos is being accused of sexism for putting women in the same costumes that male characters routinely wear. N.B., I'm not saying those are good or well designed costumes, merely that they are similar to costumes men wear. They don't work (IMO) precisely because men and women are different, in many, many ways, but not least of which is aesthetically.
Like...they added it? REALLY?
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