"Space Crusade" a new game by Prodos

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Afternoon all, 5 pages already, wow that was quick.

So yes, we have taken a different approach for this product line, I understand that it may not be everybody cup of tea.

I wont really try to defend it as I don't want to get into any arguments about it. so to put it simply, the game is PG16, the models we have designed are not for every customer ( we know that). As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

Why this approach, well there is lack of this kind of miniatures on the market and we wanted to fill the gap.

Oh and before you ask me why the models are almost armourless, well, they are protected by 2 factors :1st one is pure awesomeness and 2nd, more serious, a force field... after all it's a sci-fi so why we need heavy armour on a miniature if we can have a force field and enjoy a bit of beautiful female body ;/

oh yeas and here is a link to 360 to the model that is causing the most controversy : https://skfb.ly/Ks6O

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Ctaylor wrote:
I'd actually be interested in a revamped Space Crusade, but don't like resin minis.

Sadness.

Hi there, we are working on PVC solution or hard plastic, but the main Hero models are in resin (fully assembled) to retain the quality.

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Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

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if you have more questions regarding the game or gameplay please post it up and I'll try to answer all questions the best I can, or sign up for a monthly newsletter where we will unveil more about it at our web-store @ shop.prodosgames.com.

Thanks again for your feedback on design, much appreciated, as mentioned , please bear in mind that we probably will have to PG16 the game (we have, however in mind less "gore" (Jesus sound like the current one is gore or something!) SC board game in mind for PG13). Thanks

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YouKnowsIt wrote:
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Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

Sad to hear WZR isn't doing as well as it should, will be making sure to pick up those new forces you showed off on Facebook and stepping up the push on the rest of the gaming group .

Well, WZR is doing OK

I just point out that the SC is selling better

Thanks for support anyway, there is more to come for Warzone in next 6 months, the plan is to get really a lot of new shining toys

+ "hiden" release of miniatures we had sculpted like year ago! Thanks

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His Master's Voice wrote:
One thing I'll say about this range is that it's reasonably consistent. WZR suffers from being all over the place, sometimes even within the same faction.

That, and the poses. It's easier to swallow a Dance Dance Revolution show when it's pseudo Deamonetess doing it, compared to Mourning Wolves or Hussars.

Agreed, sadly we had have sometimes 3 sculptors with different styles working on a models for the same fraction, what is good about it, we now have sculptors with almost identical style!

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
As for sales, sadly, SC models are selling better than one of the best WZR release we had have in last 2 years.

An interesting choice of words...

Hi there, yes, we have been working hard in last 3 years to build and grow an audience for WZR, but surprisingly (and sadly as it's pointing out that MAYBE just maybe our design direction with WZR was wrong) we are selling more.

To answer next question : No we won't change direction of design for WZR, regardless of how good SC will sell.

Source is our web-store and retails newsletter orders...

I've always been tempted to buy some WZR models, but a lack of folks to play against have mostly stayed my hand. Maybe when I get the chance I'll do my part to tip the scales back the other way.

That's one big issue for us the USA market, the feedback is : Warzone was heavily pushed through distribution in their previous incarnations, and it went out of business 3 times, now it need time to get USA distributors convinced that this time Warzone will stay for a bit longer. But we have a plan B that we are working on to get Warzone more into USA

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Lockark wrote:
It's to bad WZR isn't doing well, I bought a ton of models in the kick starter but no one has realy touched the game. I only had one friend consider getting into it, but decided not to after watching the Beasts of War review of it. He felt the vheclies were to fragile were his words.

Hi there, thanks for your comment, as mentioned above, Warzone is doing well and it's growing, however we got two releases at the same day SC and WZR and SC is far better seller than WZR :(

WZR 2.0 we are working on will introduce more vehicles (transport) and fast ones, so keep your eyes on it.

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Gitkikka wrote:
If this isn't Prodos vaporware, I'm going to get it just to irritate people.

Hi there, product will be released, also now... there probably will be a PG13 version due 60+ emails I gone through this morning with a request to make this game more accessible for kids.

Surprisingly, retail is more interested in 18+ version.

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rayphoton wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Gitkikka wrote:
If this isn't Prodos vaporware, I'm going to get it just to irritate people.

Hi there, product will be released,

Can we see resin masters?

Sure: here they are:

pic 1: early wip scale test

Pic 2: resin samples 1

Pic 3: bike and its details

Pic 4: Crusaders

Pic 5: Bike,

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I mean, they are sexy, but not that much far away from market standards for this kind of miniatures ... it's a product that is appealing to some customers, not WZR or AvP customers in general, thus for us as company it open up new avenues... in general, we wanted to place it between KD and TTG in terms of "sexiness".

As for the board game, I'll be showing demons soon as well with next SC update along with PG13 miniatures.

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A good point, thanks.

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Good morning all,

Here are Demon models, that are included in the Space Crusade Board Game (PG13 and 18+ will have the same models).

In next few days we will reveal PG13+ miniatures as well. Thanks

Thanks

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=Angel= wrote:
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Good morning all,

Here are Demon models, that are included in the Space Crusade Board Game (PG13 and 18+ will have the same models).

In next few days we will reveal PG13+ miniatures as well. Thanks

Thanks

Can you please clarify this?

Are you armouring up the Crusaders 2m exhaust ports with the stomach plates etc or are you filing the nips off the succubi?
If not the former, would you consider adding the missing armour pieces?

Yes, as mentioned in my previous posts, we had a tons of emails asking to make this game accessible for kids as well, So version PG13+ is the one that will have more armour plates (Heroes) and eventually same will go for every add-on model.

One more questions:

What Dakkadakkars think about his miniature , a future add-on for the SC game (or may be included in the main box as a free gift)

And Crusaders Hero reinforcement concepts

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NH Gunsmith wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
=Angel= wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Good morning all,

Here are Demon models, that are included in the Space Crusade Board Game (PG13 and 18+ will have the same models).

In next few days we will reveal PG13+ miniatures as well. Thanks

Thanks

Can you please clarify this?

Are you armouring up the Crusaders 2m exhaust ports with the stomach plates etc or are you filing the nips off the succubi?
If not the former, would you consider adding the missing armour pieces?

Yes, as mentioned in my previous posts, we had a tons of emails asking to make this game accessible for kids as well, So version PG13+ is the one that will have more armour plates (Heroes) and eventually same will go for every add-on model.

One more questions:

What Dakkadakkars think about his miniature , a future add-on for the SC game (or may be included in the main box as a free gift)

And Crusaders Hero reinforcement concepts

This actually makes me happy. I would be willing to give the game a try now. A little more armor in key areas could make this something I wouldn't be embarrassed to own.

It' still a WIP but this is more less PG13+ version (need a bit more love for a Hero model)

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ArbitorIan wrote:
I'm agreed that everything in the original box art is a pile of gak - sexist, stupid, ugly as hell models. The stuff on this page - which they call 'PG13' - is much, much better female miniature design.

Hell, I'm even insulted at the implication that the only reason people want the covered models is because they're children - because OBVIOUSLY any male over the age of 13 just wants cheesecake, right? It's not the 'PG13' version, it's the 'not a desperately horny teenage boy' version.

Anyway. What im more interested to know is - is this REALLY Space Crusade? Like, three groups of power armoured protagonists with varying weapon load outs chasing blips, finding out what's in each room, facing a vast array of different aliens? From the box contents, I can't see how you couLd play the Space Crusade we remember from the 90s. It looks like a totally new game with 'Space Crusade' stamped on it for reasons of IP?

Yes, so, a for the game play:

1. It's Heroquest style game with an option to either expand your army OR get your hero loaded up with experience and equipment, so it's really combining OLD style of Space Crusade gameplay (army vs army) with a bit of hero-quest.
2. The game is for 2-6 players.
3. Main goal is to release Mamoona demon and kill it (as cooperative game) OR to find a Relics that will allow to one of the player to control Mamoona and her demons and use it in fight against other players. The cool bit about it that the true Relic card (drawn at the beginning of the game or you can get one by fulfilling missions) is never shown to other players so, you may be going co-op game to find out at the end that one of the players actually want to be the bad one (sh/he does't have to use the Relic)... never trust your friend I would say.
4. We have currently in the box : 3 factions, NPC/controllable (demons), Crusaders and Unfaithful (Heroes)
5. The plan is to add (could be to main box or as a set of add-ons) Orc Hero (and it's reinforcement models as an add-on), IA Hero (name needed + add-ons separate).

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Dark Severance wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
In next few days we will reveal PG13+ miniatures as well. Thanks
I'm actually confused about this statement... mainly because these are PG-13 miniatures, at least in terms of movie rating with the exception of Mabs and Mamoona. Topless women is PG-13 rating, technically so is full frontal nudity, they just can't show sex or have graphic depictions of love-making. You can't use the F-word. Beyond that these are already PG-13.

One of the problem is advertising the product. The law is really badly done in EU, in general your kid may watch Star Wars with all it's valence (killing) but when it comes to nudity that is BIG NO!!! That's PG16 at least ...

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ArbitorIan wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:

Yes, so, a for the game play:

1. It's Heroquest style game with an option to either expand your army OR get your hero loaded up with experience and equipment, so it's really combining OLD style of Space Crusade gameplay (army vs army) with a bit of hero-quest.
2. The game is for 2-6 players.
3. Main goal is to release Mamoona demon and kill it (as cooperative game) OR to find a Relics that will allow to one of the player to control Mamoona and her demons and use it in fight against other players. The cool bit about it that the true Relic card (drawn at the beginning of the game or you can get one by fulfilling missions) is never shown to other players so, you may be going co-op game to find out at the end that one of the players actually want to be the bad one (sh/he does't have to use the Relic)... never trust your friend I would say.
4. We have currently in the box : 3 factions, NPC/controllable (demons), Crusaders and Unfaithful (Heroes)
5. The plan is to add (could be to main box or as a set of add-ons) Orc Hero (and it's reinforcement models as an add-on), IA Hero (name needed + add-ons separate).

Great - thanks for the fast response,

So, that clears it up for me, then. This is 'in the style' of old SC and HQ games, but it is not a re-release or remake of the 90s game 'Space Crusade' - it's a new game.

You're just using the name 'Space Crusade' to drum up sales. If it's out of copyright, then absolutely fine, but it's a bit misleading to gamers.

I'd love a re-release of Space Crusade, but this isn't it...

It's worth to mention that the game tiles are double sided, on one side is Lost Temple, and this one is to used for more old classic SC, and as it' with AvP, build your army system will be incorporated, giving you full experience of old SC + NPC (demons).

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ArbitorIan wrote:
rayphoton wrote:
Thats kinda dumb. Its similar to not going to china on vacation cause they used slave labor to build their wall. If you like the war zone stuff....and think its worth buying ..then get it . If you don't like the crusader stuff..then don't buy it.

No, it's similar to not liking the business practices of a company, and therefore choosing not to use the company. Like avoiding Nestle, or Amazon, or Uber, because you disagree with the company. Plenty of people do it all the time.

Also..I'm not trying to troll or be internet obnoxious...I'm just really curious....cause to me...this seems like a non issue

Yeah, I find it interesting too. There are a fair amount of female models out there, made to varying different levels of sexualisation. I think the point at which people dislike this is actually much more connected to the perceived intent of the designers (and thus the attitude of the company) than what clothing is on the models.

I don't think Raging Heroes made a line of badass punk 'Jailbirds' influenced by Tank Girl and Vasquez because they REALLY wanted to see boobs. The models are sexualised, but also campy, and play on a trope that already exists. In short, I don't think an outsider seeing someone play with a toy soldier army of Kurganovas or Jailbirds or Sisters of Battle would think of them as any more stupid than Space Marines are - both gendered, some sexualised to a degree, but both references to real-world things. My punk commando girls fight your warrior monk guys.

But the Prodos models don't look like they're sculpted for kitsch value. or with any art or reference in mind. They look like the design process went 'HURRR... BEWBS'. The sole purpose of these models is boobs. That's what they're for. Boobs. The whole range looks like it was conceived by a thirteen year old boy, and I think that's what an outsider to the hobby would think about grown adult humans playing with THAT army.

Let's be clear that this isn't about 'models can't be sexy' - Jailbirds are still 'sexy' models. It has nothing to do with prudishness or how much flesh is on show. Make naked models if it works in the background. Juan Diaz' Daemonettes were fetching amazing models, and made sense the BG. The Dark Eldar range has a brilliant balance of 'slightly S&M stuff and lithe, sexy female forms without being stupid. This doesn't.

We could just say 'Well, don't buy them then' but that misses the point. The models put out by the TTG industry affect how people see the TTG industry and that, in turn, affects how people see us gamers. I'm not a thirteen year old boy who goes 'HURR...BEWBS'. I don't want people seeing these and assuming that I am. Further, I don't want people seeing these, and assuming that ALL gamers are just thirteen year old boys going 'HURR...BEWBS'. Because then less people will get involved. And that's bad for gaming.

It's a vague and messy collection of thoughts that could probably do with some editing, but I think that's why the response is anger rather than just 'meh, I won't buy those'.

Various edits for clarity....

Thanks for your comments, please bear in mind, as explained in our previous posts SC (18+ Miniatures) style is based more on manga/ heroic '90/ fantasy Conan - as for reference... in general '90 comic book style?

Frankly, Prodos is manufacturing a lot miniatures for other companies and to be hones, some of them are over the top... however I don't see much storm about them, thus, I thing the issue is somewhere else.

As with TGG or KD or RK miniatures all of the appealing to different customers, and sell very well.

For Prodos having a different style of miniatures is important, it's same as car companies have in their range a Sport car, family and a Van... something for a different customer, it only shows that we are not one trick pony in case of design (32mm true scale minis).

Also, let me get that clear in my head : Juan Diaz' Daemonettes is not sexism, labelling nor it should offend anyone because it's justified by the fluff (sculpted with reference in mind)?

Maybe I am missing the point but ,really don't think, as a parent, I would allow my 13y old son paint the boobz just because its OK with fluff, no, this product is for 16+ same as SC, and to be clear, I don't see personally any issues with them, it's just product for older audience.

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Rayvon wrote:
Sinful Hero wrote:

Married men do as well. As do women. As a matter of fact, if you judge by her art prints my wife appreciates the female form more than I do!

I think many people saying the boob minis are mainly for young men would be very surprised to see who is actually buying them, its definately not just horny young teens...

Actually, we had a purchase from a lady, that want them for her boyfriend as birthday gift.

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a quick update for dakkdakkers:

PG13, SC Calypso hero... more about her a bit later,

here she is in 360 https://skfb.ly/KSwE

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Vrex wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
a quick update for dakkdakkers:

PG13, SC Calypso hero... more about her a bit later,

here she is in 360 https://skfb.ly/KSwE

Nice! I'm particularly interested in what you do with armored up Crusaders and Valkyries though. Got any sneak-peeks of those?
Cheers -

Should have it next week, working with a lawyer to make sure we wont be crossing a thin line with some other IP game

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Mr. Burning wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Vrex wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
a quick update for dakkdakkers:

PG13, SC Calypso hero... more about her a bit later,

here she is in 360 https://skfb.ly/KSwE

Nice! I'm particularly interested in what you do with armored up Crusaders and Valkyries though. Got any sneak-peeks of those?
Cheers -

Should have it next week, working with a lawyer to make sure we wont be crossing a thin line with some other IP game

I really don't want to be that guy, really, I don't but shouldn't you have crossed your t's and dotted your I's before now?

Especially when you are shipping at the end of feb?

... I was answering the question about "new models", the PG13, not to the current line.

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Byte wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
a quick update for dakkdakkers:

PG13, SC Calypso hero... more about her a bit later,

here she is in 360 https://skfb.ly/KSwE

So is the bikini armor concept scrapped? If so thats a shame. I'd buy those over space marines with female heads. I have that option now.

I thought the models in the first post were super cool, different and fills a niche. No, I'm not a preteen or tween. I'm a grown man, veteran, married almost 20 years!

Don't lube to the squeaky wheels, the models on the first post will fly out of stock. Full power armor with female heads... wait, I can buy that now. Bikini armor however...

We have not scrapped anything, both lines 18+ and PG13 will be in parallel developed.

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Brother SRM wrote:
sing your life wrote:
Hey, at least the motorbike sculpts themselves look very nice.

Agreed, I'd just hate to give them money for the bikes alone since it would encourage more of this sexist crap.

Well, wait then for Armoured version

and a quick update :

We are please to announce that due to huge amount of emails with request to make the Space Crusade more accessible to younger audience we will be also releasing PG13 version of the game, now in pre-order at shop.prodosgames.com. Please find attached 1st re-done for PG13 Heroine, Calypso and close ups of Demon miniatures that you will find in both versions of the game. If you have pre-ordered 19+ version, fear not, we will give you an option get PG13 instead. Stay tuned for next week update. Thanks.

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Artemis Black wrote:
Well I'm disappointed. After removing live stocking from the entire site because it showed up the exaggeration of sales I fully expected to come back a few days later to pronouncements of world market domination at the very least.

Might as well have left the sales figures up if you weren't going to tell even bigger fibs

I shall have to make do with tales of just how many private messages and emails desperately asking for a PG13 version of this sexist dogshit have been sent.

(Oh and I appreciate the sharing of the demonwangs, we are happy to help even the score. We also have a couple of naked short bald guys, a naked chaos minotaur, a naked half ogre and there's a naked ogre on the way. Happy to help put a dent in the wang/boob ratio )

Thanks for your comment, live stocking was removed because it's not working with back orders (pre-orders), as for sales on SC miniatures alone, excluding board game pre-orders + miniatures (being on the back-order): here is a screenshot, trending:

https://gyazo.com/a5aeaa16b9299ffc87259f96aea65d95

Frankly, I would actually expect a bit more professional comment from someone how is also producing and selling miniatures, especially on the sales bit...

as for design, well : especially this is not wang/boob ration right? http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=football-kalee~hff001&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-football

or maybe this line: http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~40mm-%26-54mm-scale

and one of yours http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=red-box-%252d-yrsa-the-accused~rbh007&category=artemis-blacks~%2Anew-arrivals%2A ,not like she is half naked or something.

............... http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=40mm-artemis-%28resin%29~hf4001b&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~40mm-%26-54mm-scale why would she need a panties if she got a shield.

The priest forgets that he was a clerk.

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LordOfSmurfs wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:

as for design, well : especially this is not wang/boob ration right? http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=football-kalee~hff001&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~fantasy-football

or maybe this line: http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~40mm-%26-54mm-scale

and one of yours http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=red-box-%252d-yrsa-the-accused~rbh007&category=artemis-blacks~%2Anew-arrivals%2A ,not like she is half naked or something.

............... http://www.hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=40mm-artemis-%28resin%29~hf4001b&category=fantasy-%26%0D%0Asteampunk~40mm-%26-54mm-scale why would she need a panties if she got a shield.

If you think people are complaining about your models just because of tits then you haven't been reading.

Scouring the internet and posting pictures of other models with exposed breasts doesn't prove anything apart from you not understanding why your models are receiving such negative reactions.

I think you are missing my point references are not just random models ... anyway, no point of having this discussion....

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Wulfmar wrote:
The Artemis sculptor is a different person to the Hasslefree sculpter. The two companies merged if I recall correctly.

Take a look at the beyond-awesome Viking etc lines under Artemis Black / Redbox. They're all heavily armoured or cloaked in animal furs etc. Theres a female druid who I desperately want for Frostgrave and a dwarf with a crossbow. None of them are naked iirc

(I'm not interested in this kerfuffle btw, I'm just excited because... vikings that look realistic yet heroic)

I like some of their miniatures, but I don't think that it's professional to make a comments about sales (and make accusations) by someone who is in working in the industry and have a naked, only armed with shield model in his shop... sorry that is hypocritical in my opinion.

and personally, think than miniatures presented by us are more classy than completely naked miniature , armed just with shield/helmet and a sword ... but hey they are not touching sci-fi (ohh yeah 40k! )style so it must be totally OK! Right.

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Hi all, another small update WIP actually of "armoured miniatures",

Riot 6, thanks for your comments, AvP is not a topic of this discussion, frankly, as per our update we have put a release plan for AvP, WZR and SC.

Currently AvP is on hold with releases until we finish 2nd Wave.

WZR is on schedule with release.

SC was planed for this month release.

Our company have suffered a lot, due to delays with approval on AvPs element, and we have been idling for more than 2y because of that, so the reason why we are working on new releases is because we are almost done with AvP (KS). As for AvP, we have in plans an Expansion with a Huge model (can't say more), and a new Board Game "more board game than a wargame" ( June release to be announced) .

I would like to point out as well, that we have "just" 1 KS to fulfil, there is many companies running 4 or even 5 in a row and still not even 1 fully completed, so I understand that we are talking here about Prodos in this topic, but please have a look around you and maybe judge us through "market standards" in terms of releases of the product.

Now, back on the topic, we are working on 2nd Heroine for armoured version of the board game (I need to stop calling it pg13 really). What is dakkadakka take on it?

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Dentry wrote:
All this talk of the old Space Crusade has me curious how fun the boardgame will be. My original intent was just to pick up Artemis and Maras.

I'll have to look more into the game and see if it's worth a purchase. (Keepin' mah pre-order!)

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I'll be doing an interview with BOW regarding the design and the board game itself.

I can assure everyone that the game is in the "taste" of old Space Crusade, not even that, you will have an option to use your existing miniatures as NPCs (from any range) - this flexibility is incorporated in the game with an additional "Advanced Game" card deck.

The core rules should be available in a week or two, I hope, once we have the rules out it will be clear to many Dakkadakkars why we have called the game Space Crusade, and what is the master plan behind it... it's not cash-grab-name...

Thanks and please stay tuned!

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CT GAMER wrote:
If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?

If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

That's pretty strong statement, are you put all late KS into the same "scam" basket?

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

So please can some admin tidy up here a bit, before it will became really painful to come back here with any official update?

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Sinful Hero wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
CT GAMER wrote:
If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?

If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

That's pretty strong statement, are you put all late KS into the same "scam" basket?

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

So please can some admin tidy up here a bit, before it will became really painful to come back here with any official update?

I'm not a mod, but I would hazard a guess that "ability to deliver based on previous experiences" would be fair game for discussion.

Also curious about which companies avoid dakkadakka that have warned you about this "many, many times"? And why they would avoid dakkadakka in the first place? Lack of control over comments?

Thanks as for ability to deliver, not sure if you are aware, AvP is our 2nd KS, was one was WZR, delivered... and, not like other miniatures companies, we haven't gone for another 4 KS before we had it all out of the door. AvP KS went very very wrong mainly due to being told what to when it got approved, to put simply, we are only selling the product called AvP (with our logo on it) without any decision making process about how/when it goes up. Not expecting you to understand, but I would, at least expect from you to read and understand some official information provided by us if you would like to have any discussion about AvP and KS with me.

Space Crusade is not IP product, is our and it will be with pre-orders and then shops with no (3rd party) delays, NO 1 is going to tell us what to do with it, no1 is going to hold off of approval for months, because "its not a right time to piggy it back on other releases" and no 1 is going to tell us how to release it.

So AvP vs SC there is a HUGE difference, ==========> an IP owner.

I hope, that you can now see a difference between a licence product and owned by us. And that is what will affect ability to deliver it, big time!

Not sure if you have been following AvP but we had full protorype of the game in September 2014! (in fact on time with KS delivery date?) and it was approved in August 2015.

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Vrex wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Hi all, another small update WIP actually of "armoured miniatures",

[snip]... we are working on 2nd Heroine for armoured version of the board game (I need to stop calling it pg13 really). What is dakkadakka take on it?

I like it well enough to keep an eye on progress. Obviously final greens (or fimo/procreate/whatever) armed and posed will greatly influence any purchase.

As it stands i'm inclined to pick up one and sculpt some tabards and sleeves and see if i like it as proxy for Adeptas Sororitas. ( <- i have no idea if I spelled that right. I'm forever going to stick with "Sisters of Battle".)

But this concept art is SO unlike the 18+ stuff that i do, again, wonder if:
1) you have the resources to support a parallel line of sculpts
2) you're going to split any fanbase you may have - might create a culture of "let's play Space Crusade!" > "awesome here are my painted up models!" > "get that crap off the table! I'm not going to play with you!"

Thanks for your comment, yes, we have resources for this activity, Prodos GAmes LTD employs 3 full time sculptors, currently we ave just 1 assigned to this project.

point 2, is actually very valid, we ahve been thinking about it, however, A) we had significant sales on non-armored versions, B) we have to take that risk I am afraid, as e need armored version as well.

**Warzone Resurrection**

NAVARRO wrote:
Warzone Resurrection wrote:

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

Think of how poor form that is to pretty much everyone here...
I dont care much of what people say these days but you are really coming just about in all the wrong ways in this thread...

Personally speaking Im typically the most hardcore alien/ preda fan since I can remember and I even covered your game last salutes, ignoring the bad KS stuff and all, you know motivating all my friends etc. I also had planned serious pounds just for avp this salute... I need to be more selective now since I do not want to impose my dubious presence in your stand.

Thanks for your comment, sorry, there is really no reason to hide what industry think in general about dakkadakka, as I said, there is no other "medium size" companies reps here and there is a reason for this.

I have been advised to leave Dakkadakka on its own by others, as I will get "excrement thrown into my face and ask to eat it by some members of this forum", but hey I never listen and pay the price afterwards.

So maybe something should change on this forum. If you go back few pages you will find a lot of personal attack towards my person or company from people without even a bit of knowledge about avp ks deliver nor other Prodos related products or ability to deliver it.

Really, dakkkadakkka, allowing this behavior towards any company reps, simply alienate itself. You see, it works both ways, other companies seeing this mess, won't come here to get slammed only.

That was as much constructive criticism I can give about this topic, no hard feelings.

as for ability to deliver : FFS we have delivered miniatures for 12 fricking kiskstarters, 135k (135 THOUSANDS of miniatures manufactured in 2015 alone for others) you probably own them without even knowing about it and YES AVP KS blah blah blah, that is completely out of our control and we pay a huge price for touching this license... so questioning an ability to deliver something we are making in house (NOT in China form toxic carcinogenic PVC you are feeding yourself and your family with) is a bit silly.

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Compel wrote:
I'd like to add, hopefully it's not being seen as too off topic. But between this product, and the responses from the company here (including passive-aggressive swipes at other companies), my thoughts are very much cemented on me most certainly not purchasing any product from Prodos Games.

As such is my choice as a potential customer, as is my choice to leave this feedback.

Of course, it is also Prodos Games' choice to take, or ignore, this feedback as they see fit.

Thanks for your feedback, we clearly have no product that you will find attractive for your self. I totally understand this, you see same goes for me, I never go buy any PVC product as I know, to make a PVC miniature you have to add in manufacturing process di (2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), dibutyl phthalate (DBP) and butylbenzyl phthalate (BBP) (softeners) that is highly toxic and can give you a cancer ... and in fact its not allowed to be used in any toys by EU Directive 2005/84/EC, but companies are avoiding this by calling the miniatures 12+ or "this is not a toy".

and on the side note, you have just made a classic point why no other reps are coming here, they simply got offended o their companies ether way, can't even try to defend with some valid points at as this is seen ans passive-aggressive... it's like being on a looser position from the start with no ability to at least how a different perspective to the subject.

So yes I got your point totally. thanks.

**Warzone Resurrection**

Artemis Black wrote:
Have you ever thought of hiring someone to be in charge of marketing?

That's not a suggestion, I'd much rather read your posts abusing the forum you're on and implying other companies products cause cancer, because hilarity,

Yes, we have PR people in the business but they stay away from dakkadakka, it's really only me, wanting to save the world.

Have you been thinking about the same? If I recall correctly you have called me a liar .... it's not really professional to imply that other companies reps are liars. is it? btw I gave you a link with a snapshot from our web sales, just to feed your curiosity.