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richred_uk wrote:

Have you been to a Wargames show lately? Or a non-GW games store? Now the internet may skew overall customers to the younger where I can't see them, but I don't see huge numbers of younger gamers outside of GW.

I am afraid no on the first, last show I was was Gencon 2013, We do not have wargame shows here unfortunately, wish the critical mass was big enouph to have one, no on the second too, no GW store in this country and never been into one, beyond UK GW stores are quite rare.

I remember this survey you are right, it also said that almost 50% of gamers were a gamer for up to 20 years well after Space Crusade was available, that been said I judge it from my experience, I do not know what longevity it had in the UK, in Greece and Netherlands it was out for one or two years and then disappeared.

Saw where someone said people were defending HF or prodos a few pages ago and my comment was right before theirs. (Seems to be buried.)

I don't support either company now after this, I have a few HF miniatures (the fireteam one with the full space suits and guns to clarify,) but, I see neither company is worth buying from.

Honestly I would have loved a modern Space Crusade. My older brothers played that when I was a kid. However, that's obviously not what we got.

Humm after to many popcorn consumed over this beauty of a thread I must say that its clear that Prodos looks desperate for the fast buck in order to complete the AVP KS fiasco... so someone there had a major brainfart moment and imagined that picking an old and loved license and create a porn version of it would be that fast buck, because GW and porn both sell well right?



Lets face it these companies are small and cannot sustain themselves if they dont sell as much as possible at any given chance, because if they were big the guy that had the brainfart would be fired on the spot, I suggest that Prodos puts this guy away from generating any ideas for a couple decades or so and if he is the boss or someone high please block his porn at work.

My honest suggestion to Prodos is keep it simple and promote AVP because its dead silent on that front, even the new boxed sets releases were really discreet, come on shape up guys and USE that license, WTF are on the cards and why is there not like a constant stream of news about it?

On a tangent It would be interesting to record of how many Kickstarters ruined companies and/or their reputation.

All of a sudden I have a vision of Tony Reidy (not sure if that's the right spelling, and I have no idea what he looks like) sitting at a desk at Prodos during a job interview saying that this one plan will turn Prodos into a Major Player. He then goes on to tell them that he has a great design for an armoured suit they should kickstart

I don't understand how so many people can be declaring this is crap product and therefore a failure or a money grab destined to not grab money. Just because *you* think it's crap doesn't mean there aren't 15 other people who for some weird reason don't express their interest in this sort of product here on Dakka. And, after this thread, certainly never will. The supply for "sexy space marines/daemons" is pretty limited, so even sculpts you might find to be amateurish or even just plain bad are going to sell (in quantity) to a certain market. I'm more shocked that these guys are the first to actually make a serious run at it. Yes there's Raging Heroes, but that's a fairly different aesthetic, doesn't include Daemons/Chaos, and has their own issues (they'll be delivered when?).

Making assumptions on sales is probably ill advised, but I don't think there's anything wrong with judging the model quality or what seems transparent about intent.

Oh, no, you're free to call them poop all day long. I was just getting irritated by they people saying/implying they were a failure.

On the classic Space Crusade subject;
I'm 40, and nobody in the game group I grew up with played or had heard of Space Crusade.
HeroQuest on the other hand, I think almost all of us had our own copies.
Our entry into "real" GW was the Mighty Warriors box and the Space Hulk stuff that was out just prior to 40k 2nd edition.

 Zywus wrote:
And people are still bitching about people raging. Which is amazing in and of itself...

Bitching? God forbid. This is endlessly amusing. Only reason I visit the thread these days. Rage on, my friends. Show those demeaning cishet patriarchal fedora-wearing MRAs what for!

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:

 Zywus wrote:
And people are still bitching about people raging. Which is amazing in and of itself...

Bitching? God forbid. This is endlessly amusing. Only reason I visit the thread these days. Rage on, my friends. Show those demeaning cishet patriarchal fedora-wearing MRAs what for!

I honestly don't think I've ever met a real person who talks about SJWs and MRAs etc. Is it possible you're some kind of bot who just says random things from terrible websites? To be fair I would find that pretty damn awesome.

All this talk of the old Space Crusade has me curious how fun the boardgame will be. My original intent was just to pick up Artemis and Maras.

I'll have to look more into the game and see if it's worth a purchase. (Keepin' mah pre-order!)

These models are great.

That's the things about free market, if the individuals don't like the product they don't have to buy it. It's not like a tax. For those of us that like 'em. Yay!

Hm artemis black i agree with your points but the naked bloodbowl girls from hasslefree are IMHO in the same line as the prodos 18/15+ space crusaders, let's fight a match without padding, Off course the HF ones are more anatomically correct.

Like the naked tau/inquisitor/mechanicus/guard from wargames exclusive, there is a market for it.

Or these
NSFW


The main thing is just the execution of the sculpts that matter

So glad I have never spent a dime on Hasselfree product.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
Hm artemis black i agree with your points but the naked bloodbowl girls from hasslefree are IMHO in the same line as the prodos 18/15+ space crusaders, let's fight a match without padding, Off course the HF ones are more anatomically correct.

The Bloodbowl Kalee is just a slight variant of the Fantasy chaos warrior Kalee,. Kev just gave her a helmet It predates us working together but I believe it was as a star player for Amazon players as a fan request, that's the cheesecake team right? (Also Kev hates making football stuff )


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jamesk1973 wrote:
So glad I have never spent a dime on Hasselfree product.

Me too! I hate those guys, registering a name so close to ours.

MRA..huh...Ive never actually heard that. I had to look it up. Its good that everyone has a title for everyone else. Its nice that we all have at least something in common.

Artemis...your kinda losing customers for Kev and making his company look bad. Which is a shame. Cause he comes across (from what I''ve seen) as a really decent guy.

Also Amazons are just the all female team...they don't necessarily have to be cheesecake. There also one of the better starter teams IMO

 Olgerth Istaarn wrote:
Show those demeaning cishet patriarchal fedora-wearing MRAs what for!

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean.

Demeaning cishet patriarchal fedora wearing MRA's basically translates into


Dignity debasing, firmly heterosexual, believers in a male dominated and tightly governed society activists for the rights of men.



I could be off about the fedora part though....

Let's all stick to the topic, thank you!

 rayphoton wrote:
MRA..huh...Ive never actually heard that. I had to look it up. Its good that everyone has a title for everyone else. Its nice that we all have at least something in common.

Artemis...your kinda losing customers for Kev and making his company look bad. Which is a shame. Cause he comes across (from what I''ve seen) as a really decent guy.

He's not, he's terrible. Kills puppies for fun. He also hates customers, so I'm just doing him a favour really.

Since the ip is up for grabs now with Space Crusade, and due to the fact puppies were mentioned.

Dashund Crusade. If there was a 28mm game with Dashunds in adorable space warrior suits, I'd buy it, and I would be happy to let the cousins play it when they come over

No! SPACE HUNDS!

 Wulfmar wrote:
Since the ip is up for grabs now with Space Crusade, and due to the fact puppies were mentioned.

Dashund Crusade. If there was a 28mm game with Dashunds in adorable space warrior suits, I'd buy it, and I would be happy to let the cousins play it when they come over

No! SPACE HUNDS!

With limited edition power armoured Spots the Space marine?


EDIT- For some reason I thought the 'Spots' book featured a dog. Apparently it doesn't, so my attempt at a joke wasn't nearly as successful as I imagined.

skarsol wrote:
I don't understand how so many people can be declaring this is crap product and therefore a failure or a money grab destined to not grab money. Just because *you* think it's crap doesn't mean there aren't 15 other people who for some weird reason don't express their interest in this sort of product here on Dakka. And, after this thread, certainly never will. The supply for "sexy space marines/daemons" is pretty limited, so even sculpts you might find to be amateurish or even just plain bad are going to sell (in quantity) to a certain market. I'm more shocked that these guys are the first to actually make a serious run at it. Yes there's Raging Heroes, but that's a fairly different aesthetic, doesn't include Daemons/Chaos, and has their own issues (they'll be delivered when?).

No, this is a point to target that Prodos ALREADY has a game out there unfulfilled.

ALIENS Vs PREDATORS is one of the hottest IP's you can ever get to pull off, and these guys are systematically peeing all over the fan base, and wasting resources that should be put to THIS silly haphazard garbage money grab that looks like crap in a box. Those are a waste of time and resources in a oversaturated market, they want their games that the KS funded, no one wants that crap.

How exactly do you pull out that Space Crusade should be anything other then the already present game system that is legendary, you know... Milton Bradley already HAD this game. Putting the title to this gak was disingenuous at best, and playing off of an already established name brand and capitalizing on the T and A angle as a intended ploy for the sale at worst.

The sculpts are half assed, at the good points, and they are obvious "Female Space Marine" angle that is pissing in the face of the already established IP. Not to mention here we are, what 2 or 2 and a half years AFTER the deadline, and I don't have my stuff that I already threw down close to a even Grand for? Then they have the balls to say that the rest of the lines going to be delayed even further? no, !@$# that.

So what your saying is that they took the munnies that I shelled out for AvP to fund this crap, because.. you know that was what the KS was for, and that everyone is supposed to say, oh, yeah.. that's what we really wanted, Space marines, with tits!!!! .

What it looks like in the end is that you overshot your goal, don't have the material finished, and that this second KS was either to complete the project, or to get yourself into an even deeper hole, not only financially, but to piss all over your reputation, not only to not fund KS's, but to shell out gak and try to sell it as a gold bar.

Yeah, maybe someone wants female space marines, but I don't. I want my Aliens Vs Predators.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Let's all stick to the topic, thank you!

Seriously...

Hi all, another small update WIP actually of "armoured miniatures",

Riot 6, thanks for your comments, AvP is not a topic of this discussion, frankly, as per our update we have put a release plan for AvP, WZR and SC.

Currently AvP is on hold with releases until we finish 2nd Wave.

WZR is on schedule with release.

SC was planed for this month release.

Our company have suffered a lot, due to delays with approval on AvPs element, and we have been idling for more than 2y because of that, so the reason why we are working on new releases is because we are almost done with AvP (KS). As for AvP, we have in plans an Expansion with a Huge model (can't say more), and a new Board Game "more board game than a wargame" ( June release to be announced) .

I would like to point out as well, that we have "just" 1 KS to fulfil, there is many companies running 4 or even 5 in a row and still not even 1 fully completed, so I understand that we are talking here about Prodos in this topic, but please have a look around you and maybe judge us through "market standards" in terms of releases of the product.

Now, back on the topic, we are working on 2nd Heroine for armoured version of the board game (I need to stop calling it pg13 really). What is dakkadakka take on it?

New render looks good Prodos!

Also very interested in the new AvP stuff you hint at. Fingers crossed for an APC and/or Dropship!

 Dentry wrote:
All this talk of the old Space Crusade has me curious how fun the boardgame will be. My original intent was just to pick up Artemis and Maras.

I'll have to look more into the game and see if it's worth a purchase. (Keepin' mah pre-order!)

7

I'll be doing an interview with BOW regarding the design and the board game itself.

I can assure everyone that the game is in the "taste" of old Space Crusade, not even that, you will have an option to use your existing miniatures as NPCs (from any range) - this flexibility is incorporated in the game with an additional "Advanced Game" card deck.

The core rules should be available in a week or two, I hope, once we have the rules out it will be clear to many Dakkadakkars why we have called the game Space Crusade, and what is the master plan behind it... it's not cash-grab-name...



Thanks and please stay tuned!

 Nostromodamus wrote:
New render looks good Prodos!

Also very interested in the new AvP stuff you hint at. Fingers crossed for an APC and/or Dropship!

My resistance to spending a whole lot of cash on AVP is already waning, and fast. This could be the infamous final straw.

New render definitely looks good.

Just thought I'd point out that 'feedback' has been coming in from other sources, not just Dakkadakka. It seems like the feelings expressed here are the same being expressed elsewhere.

https://www.facebook.com/prodosgamesltd/posts/561091097388883

But most importantly.... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

... or the terrorist will win?