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 ArbitorIan wrote:
Just thought I'd point out that 'feedback' has been coming in from other sources, not just Dakkadakka. It seems like the feelings expressed here are the same being expressed elsewhere.

https://www.facebook.com/prodosgamesltd/posts/561091097388883

But most importantly.... THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!

Looks like Prodos must've deleted that, comes back as no longer available.

The render looks good, but I would like to see some sort of support between the leg armor and the upper body armor, even if it is just a pair of armatures on the sides of her thighs and torso.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
The render looks good, but I would like to see some sort of support between the leg armor and the upper body armor, even if it is just a pair of armatures on the sides of her thighs and torso.

This would go a long way to making the armor look more functional.

I hope the expansion for AvP gets released before I get my kickstarter stuff.

I enjoy salt in wounds.

If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?


If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

 CT GAMER wrote:
If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?


If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

That's pretty strong statement, are you put all late KS into the same "scam" basket?

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

So please can some admin tidy up here a bit, before it will became really painful to come back here with any official update?

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:
If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?


If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

That's pretty strong statement, are you put all late KS into the same "scam" basket?

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

So please can some admin tidy up here a bit, before it will became really painful to come back here with any official update?

I'm not a mod, but I would hazard a guess that "ability to deliver based on previous experiences" would be fair game for discussion.

Also curious about which companies avoid dakkadakka that have warned you about this "many, many times"? And why they would avoid dakkadakka in the first place? Lack of control over comments?

 Sinful Hero wrote:

I'm not a mod, but I would hazard a guess that "ability to deliver based on previous experiences" would be fair game for discussion.

Also curious about which companies avoid dakkadakka that have warned you about this "many, many times"? And why they would avoid dakkadakka in the first place? Lack of control over comments?

All of my, very real and not at all made up, industry friends also told me to avoid Dakka. Nothing to do with the comments, they just said it smelled like beef soup.

Smells fine to me. I stand by my demands though.

Advised to keep away from us, kinda hurtful :/

I mean, sure there are some odd folk, and everyone is blunt and brutally honest where opinion is concerned but *shrugs*

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I'm not a mod, but I would hazard a guess that "ability to deliver based on previous experiences" would be fair game for discussion.

While this is the case, we also ask folks to be polite in their criticism, and to stay on topic.

This thread checks a lot of boxes for things that make people passionate (40k-related figures, revealing figures, a company that has other campaigns fulfilling, etc) but we just ask that everyone please take a step back and only post if you have something useful to add - the sarcastic posts, off-topic commentary about "SJW" and the like, are simply not helpful. There are also warnings from two different mods on the prior page regarding posts like these, so anything further that is:

1) Off-topic
2) Needlessly antagonistic and rude towards other posters here, or even the company / product

Will result in a short suspension from the site. You can make legitimate criticisms without being rude, and also respond to such - and that's what we ask for on Dakka.

Thanks for understanding all - any questions, just send a PM.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

Think of how poor form that is to pretty much everyone here...
I dont care much of what people say these days but you are really coming just about in all the wrong ways in this thread...

Personally speaking Im typically the most hardcore alien/ preda fan since I can remember and I even covered your game last salutes, ignoring the bad KS stuff and all, you know motivating all my friends etc. I also had planned serious pounds just for avp this salute... I need to be more selective now since I do not want to impose my dubious presence in your stand.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Hi all, another small update WIP actually of "armoured miniatures",

[snip]... we are working on 2nd Heroine for armoured version of the board game (I need to stop calling it pg13 really). What is dakkadakka take on it?

I like it well enough to keep an eye on progress. Obviously final greens (or fimo/procreate/whatever) armed and posed will greatly influence any purchase.

As it stands i'm inclined to pick up one and sculpt some tabards and sleeves and see if i like it as proxy for Adeptas Sororitas. ( <- i have no idea if I spelled that right. I'm forever going to stick with "Sisters of Battle".)

But this concept art is SO unlike the 18+ stuff that i do, again, wonder if:
1) you have the resources to support a parallel line of sculpts
2) you're going to split any fanbase you may have - might create a culture of "let's play Space Crusade!" > "awesome here are my painted up models!" > "get that crap off the table! I'm not going to play with you!"

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 CT GAMER wrote:
If I had scammed Dakka members out of thousands of dollars and failed to deliver promised goods in exchange for going on 2+ years now would Dakka still let me post asking people to give me more money like they are letting prodos do?


If yes, then does anybody want to fund my kickstarter? It's Called. "War Necropocalypsamunda hammer".

And yes it's gonna have some sweet sculpts of space dudes with their junk hanging out.

That's pretty strong statement, are you put all late KS into the same "scam" basket?

You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

So please can some admin tidy up here a bit, before it will became really painful to come back here with any official update?

I'm not a mod, but I would hazard a guess that "ability to deliver based on previous experiences" would be fair game for discussion.

Also curious about which companies avoid dakkadakka that have warned you about this "many, many times"? And why they would avoid dakkadakka in the first place? Lack of control over comments?

Thanks as for ability to deliver, not sure if you are aware, AvP is our 2nd KS, was one was WZR, delivered... and, not like other miniatures companies, we haven't gone for another 4 KS before we had it all out of the door. AvP KS went very very wrong mainly due to being told what to when it got approved, to put simply, we are only selling the product called AvP (with our logo on it) without any decision making process about how/when it goes up. Not expecting you to understand, but I would, at least expect from you to read and understand some official information provided by us if you would like to have any discussion about AvP and KS with me.

Space Crusade is not IP product, is our and it will be with pre-orders and then shops with no (3rd party) delays, NO 1 is going to tell us what to do with it, no1 is going to hold off of approval for months, because "its not a right time to piggy it back on other releases" and no 1 is going to tell us how to release it.

So AvP vs SC there is a HUGE difference, ==========> an IP owner.

I hope, that you can now see a difference between a licence product and owned by us. And that is what will affect ability to deliver it, big time!

Not sure if you have been following AvP but we had full protorype of the game in September 2014! (in fact on time with KS delivery date?) and it was approved in August 2015.










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 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
Hi all, another small update WIP actually of "armoured miniatures",

[snip]... we are working on 2nd Heroine for armoured version of the board game (I need to stop calling it pg13 really). What is dakkadakka take on it?

I like it well enough to keep an eye on progress. Obviously final greens (or fimo/procreate/whatever) armed and posed will greatly influence any purchase.

As it stands i'm inclined to pick up one and sculpt some tabards and sleeves and see if i like it as proxy for Adeptas Sororitas. ( <- i have no idea if I spelled that right. I'm forever going to stick with "Sisters of Battle".)

But this concept art is SO unlike the 18+ stuff that i do, again, wonder if:
1) you have the resources to support a parallel line of sculpts
2) you're going to split any fanbase you may have - might create a culture of "let's play Space Crusade!" > "awesome here are my painted up models!" > "get that crap off the table! I'm not going to play with you!"

Thanks for your comment, yes, we have resources for this activity, Prodos GAmes LTD employs 3 full time sculptors, currently we ave just 1 assigned to this project.

point 2, is actually very valid, we ahve been thinking about it, however, A) we had significant sales on non-armored versions, B) we have to take that risk I am afraid, as e need armored version as well.

I'd like to add, hopefully it's not being seen as too off topic. But between this product, and the responses from the company here (including passive-aggressive swipes at other companies), my thoughts are very much cemented on me most certainly not purchasing any product from Prodos Games.

As such is my choice as a potential customer, as is my choice to leave this feedback.

Of course, it is also Prodos Games' choice to take, or ignore, this feedback as they see fit.

I appreciate the response, @Warzone Resurrection.

I was more worried about the reports from some backers of not receiving all of their product; of which a few I believe were the core box game? I know I've seen the demo at Gencon, and the figures are indeed very nice so I know it's out in the wild.

As I said, I'm more concerned regarding the lack of delivery of certain items to backers from the AvP Kickstarter, and how that may affect the Space Crusade venture? I know Adam Poots from Kingdom Death has said that a large chunk of his resin sales helped ship the KD:Monster Kickstarter, and most backers seemed to be satisfied by it. Are you using the Space Crusade models as a way to hopefully fund the shipping of AvP backers remaining rewards? Or is the lack of delivery on those items indicative of possible non-delivery of Space Crusade?

 NAVARRO wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:



You know why so many official representatives of wargaming companies are staying away form Dakkadakka?

I have been advised many many times to stay way from this forum by other companies, like others do....

Think of how poor form that is to pretty much everyone here...
I dont care much of what people say these days but you are really coming just about in all the wrong ways in this thread...

Personally speaking Im typically the most hardcore alien/ preda fan since I can remember and I even covered your game last salutes, ignoring the bad KS stuff and all, you know motivating all my friends etc. I also had planned serious pounds just for avp this salute... I need to be more selective now since I do not want to impose my dubious presence in your stand.

Thanks for your comment, sorry, there is really no reason to hide what industry think in general about dakkadakka, as I said, there is no other "medium size" companies reps here and there is a reason for this.

I have been advised to leave Dakkadakka on its own by others, as I will get "excrement thrown into my face and ask to eat it by some members of this forum", but hey I never listen and pay the price afterwards.

So maybe something should change on this forum. If you go back few pages you will find a lot of personal attack towards my person or company from people without even a bit of knowledge about avp ks deliver nor other Prodos related products or ability to deliver it.

Really, dakkkadakkka, allowing this behavior towards any company reps, simply alienate itself. You see, it works both ways, other companies seeing this mess, won't come here to get slammed only.

That was as much constructive criticism I can give about this topic, no hard feelings.

as for ability to deliver : FFS we have delivered miniatures for 12 fricking kiskstarters, 135k (135 THOUSANDS of miniatures manufactured in 2015 alone for others) you probably own them without even knowing about it and YES AVP KS blah blah blah, that is completely out of our control and we pay a huge price for touching this license... so questioning an ability to deliver something we are making in house (NOT in China form toxic carcinogenic PVC you are feeding yourself and your family with) is a bit silly.






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 Compel wrote:
I'd like to add, hopefully it's not being seen as too off topic. But between this product, and the responses from the company here (including passive-aggressive swipes at other companies), my thoughts are very much cemented on me most certainly not purchasing any product from Prodos Games.

As such is my choice as a potential customer, as is my choice to leave this feedback.

Of course, it is also Prodos Games' choice to take, or ignore, this feedback as they see fit.

Thanks for your feedback, we clearly have no product that you will find attractive for your self. I totally understand this, you see same goes for me, I never go buy any PVC product as I know, to make a PVC miniature you have to add in manufacturing process di (2-ethylhexyl) phthalate (DEHP), dibutyl phthalate (DBP) and butylbenzyl phthalate (BBP) (softeners) that is highly toxic and can give you a cancer ... and in fact its not allowed to be used in any toys by EU Directive 2005/84/EC, but companies are avoiding this by calling the miniatures 12+ or "this is not a toy".

and on the side note, you have just made a classic point why no other reps are coming here, they simply got offended o their companies ether way, can't even try to defend with some valid points at as this is seen ans passive-aggressive... it's like being on a looser position from the start with no ability to at least how a different perspective to the subject.

So yes I got your point totally. thanks.

Have you ever thought of hiring someone to be in charge of marketing?

That's not a suggestion, I'd much rather read your posts abusing the forum you're on and implying other companies products cause cancer, because hilarity,

 Artemis Black wrote:
Have you ever thought of hiring someone to be in charge of marketing?

That's not a suggestion, I'd much rather read your posts abusing the forum you're on and implying other companies products cause cancer, because hilarity,

Yes, we have PR people in the business but they stay away from dakkadakka, it's really only me, wanting to save the world.

Have you been thinking about the same? If I recall correctly you have called me a liar .... it's not really professional to imply that other companies reps are liars. is it? btw I gave you a link with a snapshot from our web sales, just to feed your curiosity.

To be fair, your KS backers can point to several times you have indeed lied to us. You probably don't want to go down that road.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Artemis Black wrote:
Have you ever thought of hiring someone to be in charge of marketing?

That's not a suggestion, I'd much rather read your posts abusing the forum you're on and implying other companies products cause cancer, because hilarity,

Yes, we have PR people in the business but they stay away from dakkadakka, it's really only me, wanting to save the world.

Have you been thinking about the same? If I recall correctly you have called me a liar .... it's not really professional to imply that other companies reps are liars. is it? btw I gave you a link with a snapshot from our web sales, just to feed your curiosity.

I believe that technically I only obviously and heavily implied you were lying. But in my defense it was only because your pants were on fire

 Sinful Hero wrote:
I appreciate the response, @Warzone Resurrection.

I was more worried about the reports from some backers of not receiving all of their product; of which a few I believe were the core box game? I know I've seen the demo at Gencon, and the figures are indeed very nice so I know it's out in the wild.

As I said, I'm more concerned regarding the lack of delivery of certain items to backers from the AvP Kickstarter, and how that may affect the Space Crusade venture? I know Adam Poots from Kingdom Death has said that a large chunk of his resin sales helped ship the KD:Monster Kickstarter, and most backers seemed to be satisfied by it. Are you using the Space Crusade models as a way to hopefully fund the shipping of AvP backers remaining rewards? Or is the lack of delivery on those items indicative of possible non-delivery of Space Crusade?

we have gave away a delivery plan to backers for AvP and we are on a good route to complete it. wave 2 is in 80% out. Upon completing it (before end of February/ mid march for Australia) that is 91% of total value in gbp of delivered product, what left is remaining elements (random models).

As explained above, Space Crusade is going up as we are almost out form AvP KS mess, thus, we want to increase the range of our products, Prodos Games due to KS delay was idling for almost 2 years, now we want to move ahead with new releases. In fact Space Crusade was TM by us in 2013! 3 years ago...


anyway I think this off-top went a bit too far, so sorry for my rudeness and please accept my apology if I offended anyone.... I'll have a cold shower and maybe this will cool down my brain a bit, Thanks.

 Artemis Black wrote:
Have you ever thought of hiring someone to be in charge of marketing?

That's not a suggestion, I'd much rather read your posts abusing the forum you're on and implying other companies products cause cancer, because hilarity,

Doctors recommend Prodos' quality miniatures, that won't* give you cancer* like the next leading brand*

Warzone Resurrection, I am surprised to see you still posting here after what some people here have said about Produs and a great deal of unprofessional behaviour from other company reps. I think you have replied in a professional manner and will be purchasing some miniatures from you with the money I was going to spend at a different company that posts here, but they have acted in a child like manner.

I like cheese cake but your PG18+ Space Crusade is not for me, however I like the progress you are making with your fully armoured Warriors and the demons are ace to! I may even pick up AvP as well.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
In fact Space Crusade was TM by us in 2013! 3 years ago...

On that note, your TM registration in the US has lapsed as of January 2015 it appears. Still good in the UK until 2023, so it's probably not particularly hard to re-do, but it does likely need doing.

Also, most companies don't like wandering away from their native forums and company-friendly moderation because it would mean confronting the fact that they are indeed screwing up. This is not just Prodos, as I can't think of a single company in this market that hasn't screwed up enough to earn customer ire. So, while I find your handling of the AvP mess to be most off-putting, I will at least say to take your lumps when trying to sell your new project, as you yourself point out, is more than many medium-to-large sized businesses will do. Doesn't excuse the limbo and communications black-out many backers are in about where their pledges are years later, but credit for doing something that most wouldn't.

 Krinsath wrote:

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:
In fact Space Crusade was TM by us in 2013! 3 years ago...

On that note, your TM registration in the US has lapsed as of January 2015 it appears. Still good in the UK until 2023, so it's probably not particularly hard to re-do, but it does likely need doing.

Also, most companies don't like wandering away from their native forums and company-friendly moderation because it would mean confronting the fact that they are indeed screwing up. This is not just Prodos, as I can't think of a single company in this market that hasn't screwed up enough to earn customer ire. So, while I find your handling of the AvP mess to be most off-putting, I will at least say to take your lumps when trying to sell your new project, as you yourself point out, is more than many medium-to-large sized businesses will do. Doesn't excuse the limbo and communications black-out many backers are in about where their pledges are years later, but credit for doing something that most wouldn't.

Hi there, thanks for your comment, yes I am aware about USA TM, the application was sent for renewal just a week ago, so it will take few more weeks to be seen on the system (we had like 6 months post due date + 6 months and another 2 months, and we always late with paperwork )





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overtyrant wrote:
Warzone Resurrection, I am surprised to see you still posting here after what some people here have said about Produs and a great deal of unprofessional behaviour from other company reps. I think you have replied in a professional manner and will be purchasing some miniatures from you with the money I was going to spend at a different company that posts here, but they have acted in a child like manner.

I like cheese cake but your PG18+ Space Crusade is not for me, however I like the progress you are making with your fully armoured Warriors and the demons are ace to! I may even pick up AvP as well.

Thanks for support.

This is a mess of a thread, a lot of you need to clean up your posting. I'd rather not have to sling warnings around so this is a general warning for the thread. Cool it and be polite, or else.

I like it, i guess the awkward pose is because the 3 D modelling and it is not the final pose?
What will a helmeted version look like?



Can we get back to blaming the boobie miniatures and leave the AvP talk to the AvP forum?
Also small and medium sized game/miniature companies post here, don't know what that was about.
As long as you are cordial, most people are ok, just don't grab the troll bait. And keep company and personal
feelings separate.

 Warzone Resurrection wrote:

 Dentry wrote:
All this talk of the old Space Crusade has me curious how fun the boardgame will be. My original intent was just to pick up Artemis and Maras.

I'll have to look more into the game and see if it's worth a purchase. (Keepin' mah pre-order!)

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I'll be doing an interview with BOW regarding the design and the board game itself.

I can assure everyone that the game is in the "taste" of old Space Crusade, not even that, you will have an option to use your existing miniatures as NPCs (from any range) - this flexibility is incorporated in the game with an additional "Advanced Game" card deck.

The core rules should be available in a week or two, I hope, once we have the rules out it will be clear to many Dakkadakkars why we have called the game Space Crusade, and what is the master plan behind it... it's not cash-grab-name...



Thanks and please stay tuned!

Ah, that sounds good. Will you be showcasing the models and other game components on BoW?

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I like it, i guess the awkward pose is because the 3 D modelling and it is not the final pose?
What will a helmeted version look like?

The pose shouldn't be the final pose so yeah it would look awkward. Typically t-poses are used for modeling and sculpting. Once that is completed then they pose the miniature, then do the cuts and any final cleanup for joints, etc.

I think that particular rendition is meant for the Crusaders and none of them are helmeted, unlike the Inquisitors which have that helmet looking incasing (not sure what that would be called). I would like to know if they will be doing separate heads so people could do head swaps with a helmet, or if the torso will be a one piece with the head.

 Jehan-reznor wrote:
I like it, i guess the awkward pose is because the 3 D modelling and it is not the final pose?
What will a helmeted version look like?

.

While it's certainly less silly than the bikini version, it still ultimately has the same problem of heavy armour on the shoulders and legs, and none in between. Particularly with the lower leg armour being so heavy, it just looks weird.