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Buzzsaw wrote: These actually look pretty good. Which brings us to a question actually related to the thread (Gasp!): what are (excluding the kickstarter) people's experience with buying from Prodos in the USA?
I know that some US Warzone players have problems finding US stockists and it can take a month or two for the newer products to reach your shores.. thus I think many order from Prodos directly. Shipping to the EU seems to be about 10 days, so I can imagine it's 2 weeks or more to the US. While their resin is pretty durable, the packaging for warzone blisters isn't very robust so it hasn't been uncommon to hear that stuff has arrived broken. The AvP packaging is much better and I am sure the Space Crusade stuff will be too, so I wouldn't have any worries there.
And I still, completely, disagree. There is a huge difference between sexualised and sexist. I've never pretend we don't sell naked minis, both male and female. And a lot of them are sexualised (some are just naked). In fact at some points I have made Kev go out of his way to finish dollies to sell them as completely naked ones (There's one above, but we sell like 20 at this point). (I have also never made the 'arty' argument, no pun intended. That was other people).
But just being nude doesn't make something sexist? That's a crazy notion. However making a mini in a sci-fi setting with guns and massive amounts of armour and then just removing the torso section because boobs is 'not' what we do, and never will.
I'll agree with you to an extent, but at the same time, you couldn't claim that much of Kev's stuff is anything but gratuitous nudity. HF isn't alone in this of course, aside from the other companies listed, Reaper has more than their fair share as well. And we know why (in Reaper's case - they sell damned well.) With Hasslefree, my gut tells me that it's a combination of nudes selling well along with Kev simply sculpting what he enjoys. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, though.
I would never be embarrassed to show a non-gamer our range, I would be mortified to show them those.
Sure, but that's a basic point, innit? Everyone thinks their own products are fine. Angelos, the Shieldwolf guy swears blue that his figures are better sculpts than AoW or Mierce. It's a natural reaction for anyone who believes in their product. Even the Prodos guy feels that his sculpts are peachy-keen. I mean, when we get to Poots he might want to go with an explanation first before showing them to Theo's family, but even in your own range there's a big difference between these two.
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I went with the metal 54mm because the anatomy is less ...obvious.
The first of yours (Kev's) there is a very classical sculpt. The second is pure 1980's-1990's. Now neither I nor my family are particularly easily offended, but I could show the first to my co-workers and while some might think it a little gratuitous, I'm confident that they would see the classical influence that would override any discomfort or shock from the nudity. The second one (or the topless female dwarf slayer, etc)? Well, in all honesty I think it'd get the same reaction by and large that the Prodos figures would get.
I think what it comes down to in many ways is that the Prodos stuff offends you personally (which is fine) but you're having trouble stepping back and seeing the bigger perspective on it.
Like I said somewhere else, if someone just can't see that difference straight off, there's not much point in arguing. But I am completely befuddled as to why.
You'll notice I haven't said a word about the covered up ones, nor would I ever have. The sexist ones can still feth off back to the 80s though.
The Prodos stuff - ridiculous as it is - I definitely agree with that - actually has a lot more in common with Anime and Manga (and Japanese videogame) design elements. It's much more that, shoved into a 40k-style shell than something especially 80's or 90's. With badly-sculpted balloon breasts.
Spoilered for size.
But if people keep wanna bringing up our minis, then I have no objection
Well, that's gonna happen when you wade in and start slinging mud, given that there are direct points of comparison between the two companies. In fact, if I were even slightly cynical, I might think you're here and so invested in this thread at least in part for marketing purposes. You've got double the amount of posts here than in the actual HF thread!
Oh, while you're here - are the Greek decals printed on decal sheets or are they individual decals? And do any of them come in white? They might be exactly what I'm after for a current project.
Glad I noticed your reply in that bottom window before I hit send Replied over there too
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Buzzsaw wrote: These actually look pretty good. Which brings us to a question actually related to the thread (Gasp!): what are (excluding the kickstarter) people's experience with buying from Prodos in the USA?
I know that some US Warzone players have problems finding US stockists and it can take a month or two for the newer products to reach your shores.. thus I think many order from Prodos directly. Shipping to the EU seems to be about 10 days, so I can imagine it's 2 weeks or more to the US. While their resin is pretty durable, the packaging for warzone blisters isn't very robust so it hasn't been uncommon to hear that stuff has arrived broken. The AvP packaging is much better and I am sure the Space Crusade stuff will be too, so I wouldn't have any worries there.
Prodos only offered a $24 shipping option to the US and looks like that's translating to UPS 3 day.
Buzzsaw wrote: These actually look pretty good. Which brings us to a question actually related to the thread (Gasp!): what are (excluding the kickstarter) people's experience with buying from Prodos in the USA?
I know that some US Warzone players have problems finding US stockists and it can take a month or two for the newer products to reach your shores.. thus I think many order from Prodos directly. Shipping to the EU seems to be about 10 days, so I can imagine it's 2 weeks or more to the US. While their resin is pretty durable, the packaging for warzone blisters isn't very robust so it hasn't been uncommon to hear that stuff has arrived broken. The AvP packaging is much better and I am sure the Space Crusade stuff will be too, so I wouldn't have any worries there.
Prodos only offered a $24 shipping option to the US and looks like that's translating to UPS 3 day.
Hmm, so only one shipping option? I suppose that's not entirely unreasonable, given that it's international (intercontinental!) shipping. It does somewhat limit the impulse buy options, heh.
RiTides wrote: Whoaaaa, we're Way off-topic in this thread!
If someone would like, please start up a thread in Dakka Discussions (or even Off-Topic) and link to it here to talk about general depictions of women / men / nudity / etc in miniatures. If it's not about miniatures, then it's really not pertinent and should definitely go in Off-Topic.
But for this thread in News & Rumors, the topic is the game from the OP by Prodos, and the miniatures related to it. So, let's return to discussing that and not the broader tangent we have been on!
Thanks all
Can this thread be "pruned" for those of us actually interested in the product. Its a complete mess.
It's extremely unlikely that the thread will be purged of whatever posts you dislike. Just carry on with (most of) the tangent moved elsewhere. Though criticism and praise of Prodos designs will naturally remain here, as it's on-topic.
More of my gay male friends liked Thor then my heterosexual female friends .
Much of nerd culture has homoerotic overtones that are appealing to homosexual men.
Just saying...
Not discounting the appeal to homosexual geeks, but my experience has been different. All the geek girls in my life LOVE the Marvel beefcake, and ate up the wondrous physiques presented in the 300 movies.
And are we pretending Arnold wasn't a sex symbol in the 70's and 80's just because Hybrid thinks his face is ugly? Come on...
I feel their is a difference between this and marvel beefcake. Marvel has plenty of hot dudes in their stuff. But they are never wearing anything or presented in away that feels like it's putting them on display.
These minis have holes cut into their armour to put them on display to be gawked at. Capt. America doesn't have huge parts of his suit cut out so I can get a better look at his ass.
A character can be sexy and still be a cool character. But the design of these minis are just so uncreative.
For sure, I don't disagree with what you are saying regarding the use of sex in Marvel character design and the use here by Prodos. I was merely commenting on the position presented by others that women aren't titillated by nude males and instead those images are only provided as a male power fantasy, or for homosexual males. In my experience that hasn't been the case. Women are sexual beings and hot dudes with muscles appeal to many women.
I didn't say women aren't sexual or that strong/fit men aren't appealing to them.
I was simply pointing out that a number of heterosexual women I know weren't enticed enough by the thought of a shirtless Thor to overcome their lack of desire to watch a superhero movi;.
which as a genre isn't all that appealing to them.
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I suspect the effect of "hot bodies" in movies in increasing appeal to males or females is marginal. That is, they make every movie a little better, but it probably isn't enough to make people happy to drop 20$ and two hours watching the movie if it is otherwise terrible. A half decent movie on the other hand could be moved into pretty good territory by the inclusion. My wife likes super hero/fantasy stuff, and having a good looking lead is something she likes. Or at least she really dislikes ugly leads; it didn't stop her marrying me, but she was pretty cold on the newer James Bond movies for a while due to distaste for the rougher Bond.
Looks like the biggest limitation is leg and torso pose is fixed, you've only got arms to try play around with. Over all the end product looks pretty spot on compared to what was advertised, still not my cup of tea.
Good to see Prodos actually shipping stuff when they say they will.
Retired Space Marine and Necron 40K player. Looking to start Warmahordes in the future.
So, at this point all the Prodos naysayers can start telling me you told me so. I was assembling the minis and realized they shipped me the wrong arms for the Mamoona (some large sword arms that go to an unidentified mini that, while large, are not large enough to fit on her). I opened a ticket about two business days (theirs) ago and have gotten nary a response, not even an acknowledgement that someone has seen it. They've got 2 hours left before COB Friday, but I'm not holding out much hope based on other's experiences.
Nothing to gain by saying told ya so, I'm still in the same boat either way.
I've been e-mailing them fortnightly for the past 6 weeks requesting a confirmation my AvP pledge has been processed correctly on my end. Still no response. I'm aware talking about AvP isn't part of this topic, this is just a comment on lack of customer service response. They don't operate a call center, so not replying to e-mails being the only form of contact is pretty poor.
I'll not be surprised if you get a reply first :(
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Retired Space Marine and Necron 40K player. Looking to start Warmahordes in the future.
Have you tried PMing their rep here to see if he can fix the issue? Would be interesting to see the results of that. But then again he was warned about us .
LOL, Theo your mind is an amazing place, never change.-camkierhi 9/19/13
I cant believe theo is right.. damn. -comradepanda 9/26/13
None of the strange ideas we had about you involved your sexual orientation..........-Monkeytroll 12/10/13
I'd put you on ignore for that comment, if I could...Alpharius 2/11/14
skarsol wrote: So, at this point all the Prodos naysayers can start telling me you told me so. I was assembling the minis and realized they shipped me the wrong arms for the Mamoona (some large sword arms that go to an unidentified mini that, while large, are not large enough to fit on her). I opened a ticket about two business days (theirs) ago and have gotten nary a response, not even an acknowledgement that someone has seen it. They've got 2 hours left before COB Friday, but I'm not holding out much hope based on other's experiences.
Dunno if I'm considered a "naysayer" but I'm certainly someone who was dubious. I'd much rather see them turn around and handle you properly with an apology and send your missing stuff promptly than "told you so" though. I'm not a complete dick.
Theophony wrote: Have you tried PMing their rep here to see if he can fix the issue? Would be interesting to see the results of that. But then again he was warned about us .
How quickly do they usually respond? If they respond in a week, but always respond well, then that's kinda okay, if annoying. If they respond after random intervals, then that's way more annoying. Even just a "hey, got your ticket, we'll address it within X days" or similar would be good instead of just having us shout into the void.
Edit: Guessing it's Monday morning there now, just got a response that they're sending replacements. Great response, just spoiled a bit by the days of not knowing if anyone had seen my request or not.
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A demon dude! (No junk hanging out since this is a PG-13 month I guess. )
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Another large demon chick. Note, this one is almost 2 inches taller than the Mamoona, so not sure how they'll look together. Maybe they're counting her sword as height? Interestingly, now I know what model the two swords they sent me belong to!
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More developed render of the good girls not-terminator hero.
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A colorized version of the winged bad girl demon hero.
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The bad girl not-terminator hero.
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And not real sure where this one fits in, but a good girl hero of some sort.
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Neither T nor A to be found! Means this month is a bust for me since none of the hero models with fit aestetically with the troops from last month, no need for yet another male demon prince model, and too unsure of the scale on the Belzeeba to risk 35 pounds and $Texas shipping. Not really sure who's going to buy the heroes this month as without the T&A aspect the sculpts are fairly meh IMO. The underwire tabards are just weird.
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