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"Our fantasy settings are grim and dark, but that is not a reflection of who we are or how we feel the real world should be. [...] We will continue to diversify the cast of characters we portray [...] so everyone can find representation and heroes they can relate to. [...] If [you don't feel the same way], you will not be missed"
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Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
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From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come." They only create new forums when the parent forum is too busy, or when there is ample traffic in multiple other forums to create one specialized one (such as 30k).
Pretty much.
The issue with the historicals is that they're rather oddly manned forums. 15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum, and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2, regardless of what manufacturer's models are being used for it, it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW. PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm. 28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum, and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum. Another issue is that FoW doesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum, but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
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I know it's normal; the forum's down, so obviously it won't be there. I was just pointing out that sing's issue wasn't so 'wierd'.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
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Given your experience with forums, I'd figure quoting the right person would be easier for you?
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Wintermute wrote: Given your experience with forums, I'd figure quoting the right person would be easier for you?
No true son of Warseer would burden their minds with the decadent and debased mores of such a hive of scum and villainy as Dakka. Pish tosh, good sir! Pish. Tosh.
Joking aside, good to hear they're on the way back. I'm trying to review some things I liked from one of their modelling posts and figured "I'll bookmark this and come back to it when I get the supplies"...yeah, that didn't work out so great.
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Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
Should that be ... the 10 whiners get a ban.
I'll get my coat.
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I am just curious what are the Mods doing now. Having no power, they must be going crazy.
No they are probably having a well earned rest, I know I am.
As to the site itself, there has been a very serious problem with the database and the web server.
Are we dead? Not that I know of, but getting WarSeer back up and running is taking much longer than we would have liked.
Do I have an estimate to how long it will take, no and its out of my hands. I will try and find out a bit more though and let you all know.
Wintermute
Harry wrote:
Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
Should that be ... the 10 whiners get a ban.
I'll get my coat.
Welcome to the forum guys. I remember you guys from long ago before I got banned.
Harry you still giving out rumours not that Fantasy is dead? I remember you were big on Fantasy correct? Winterminute been so long can't remember how you moderated, but hopefully you will enjoy your time here.
Agies Grimm:The "Learn to play, bro" mentality is mostly just a way for someone to try to shame you by implying that their metaphorical nerd-wiener is bigger than yours. Which, ironically, I think nerds do even more vehemently than jocks.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter. 40K or Who's Line is it Anyway?
Auticus wrote: Or in summation: its ok to exploit shoddy points because those are rules and gamers exist to find rules loopholes (they are still "legal"), but if the same force can be composed without structure, it emotionally feels "wrong".
Korinov wrote: It would be cool if Wintermute hosted a super re-welcome party when Warseer is back and running, with some kind of raffle. The 10 winners get a ban.
Art Steventon wrote: I must admit, I never understood how so many trained accountants got any work done whilst continuing to post endless critiques on GWs finances...
You don't know how accountants work then. The only ones that put in hours upon hours are the ones putting in their dues in their 20s or ladder climbers. Any accountant who knows the game will be doing 25 hour weeks, either at their own practice or in a job where their certification makes them such a high demand hire that they can waste 3+ hours a day on personal projects. All the work gets dumped on the clerks while the certified accountants only work hard at certain times of the year when something has a due date.
In my own IT work, we had an efficiency expert come in and have us do internet usage analysis and it was the finance department that wasted hours a day online. Not a single one got laid off because the department was hitting all their due dates and there's a labor shortage of certified accountants. They got talked to, but a few weeks later their personal internet usage was back up where it was before the investigation and they all got their yearly raises.
timetowaste85 wrote: Our accountant at work has admitted he works about 4 hours a day outside of tax season. Bonus of working for a private company. Lucky sod.
Exactly. A guy in my D&D group has said the same thing. 8 months of the year it's 20 hour weeks, then 1 month at 50-70 and then 2 full months of vacation. If he was remotely interested in 40k, I could see him spending hours each work day trying to explain GW's financials to people. instead I think he spends his time being a yelp reviewer or something.
I've also noticed that all the people claiming to be accountants or former accountants at warseer all say the exact same thing about GW: A continual slow decline but not any immediate risk. And they've been consistently correct.
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Wintermute wrote: No they are probably having a well earned rest, I know I am.
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Good luck on setting the site back .
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Vermis wrote: Build more sense-making forum categories to start those threads in. A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
Spoiler:
From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come." They only create new forums when the parent forum is too busy, or when there is ample traffic in multiple other forums to create one specialized one (such as 30k).
Pretty much.
The issue with the historicals is that they're rather oddly manned forums. 15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum, and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2, regardless of what manufacturer's models are being used for it, it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW. PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm. 28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum, and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum. Another issue is that FoW doesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum, but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
I don't see how they can't just ignore scale and split historicals into eras, even fairly rough grained. Biblicals (<2000BC), Ancients(1999BC-1100AD), Mediavel (1101-1700), Gunpowder (1701-1900) Modern (1900>.
Is there so much FoW chatter that it'd drown out, any other scale for the periods they cover?
Blimey. I forgot all about that tangent when... he... turned up here.* Thanks Herzlos - that's pretty much what I was going to say. Though of course, it's not going to stop me banging on for a bit.
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That's a lot of words to say...
15mm WW2 goes in one subforum and the rest go in the other subforum.
And that's not enough words to say why 15mm WWII - even Battlefront - gets it's own board while other scales representing those six years of conflict get lumped in with the rest of the millenia of human warfare.
Avatar 720 wrote:15mm WW2 Is large enough to have its own forum
And WWII gaming as a whole (i.e. 15mm + everything else) isn't?
and since Flames of War pretty much dominates the 15mm scale for WW2
Does it? Sources?
it makes sense for that forum to be centred around FoW.
Why does discussion of a period and scale have to be centred around a manufacturer?
PSC's Battlegroup doesn't have the following FoW does, but neither is it limited to 15mm, being primarily designed for 15mm or 20mm.
So do as Herzlos suggested, and have a board for the period, not a game.
28mm Being different, and largely made for use with Bolt Action would also not fit in that forum
What!? What, twice. That's two 'whats'. What!? What!?
One. 28mm WWII has been around for much longer than Bolt Action, and for a wider range of rules. I can't imagine what would prompt that kind of thought except the attitude that hyped 'big box' games are the only games worth bothering about.
Two. No, I agree. 28mm Bolt Action would not fit into a 15mm FoW board. This is why you have a general WWII board.
and a combined WWII forum would be the same as having 40k, Fantasy, and AoS sharing a forum.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, that example is closer to what you're arguing for, and the current setup of Dakka's boards: division based on manufacturer. Having 40K, WFB, and AoS lumped into one board makes more or less the same sense as having, oh, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Team Yankee and so on lumped into one board. Or, KoW, Warpath, Dreadball, Mars Attacks and Dungeon Saga all lumped into one board. Madness!
Another issue is that FoWdoesn't just cover WWII, but also Great War, AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee, and unlike GW, none of these has the numbers to get their own forum on their own
Yeah... when you make one argument in one line, then start to contradict that argument in the next line, I have to wonder.
Also, when you talk about numbers, are you still talking about Battlefront-only games?
, so you'd end up having WWII 6mm, 15mm, 20mm, 28mm, >28mm, Great War 15mm, AIW 15mm, Vietnam 15mm, and Cold War-Gone-Hot 15mm, all sharing the same forum,
On one hand, I have no idea where you pulled that idea out of. On the other hand, that's the situation we have now, which maybe suggests what a daft situation it is. Anything that isn't 15mm WWII, or some FoW spinoff, gets dumped into the Historical board; along with everything from biblicals to ECW to ancients to napoleonics to dark ages to ACW to...
but then AIW, Vietnam, and Team Yankee especially are hardly 'historical', but they don't have the following to get their own forum...
Then perhaps have a 'moderns' board, or an extension of a WWII board, or both.
Trying to put all the WWII stuff together creates a far larger mess than simply separating off 15mm under the general banner of Battlefront - Flames of War, and leaving everything else as historicals.
Again, what!? Other forums do it perfectly well! And I can tell you it makes far more sense and less mess in theory and in practise than cherry-picking one particular manufacturer's interpretation of a period and throwing the many others into a metaphorical trash heap!
Are your models 15mm? Yes. Are they WWII? Yes. They go in the FoW/15mm WWII forum. If your answer to either/both of those questions is 'no', then they go in Historical Gaming. It's really rather straightforward.
Sez.
You.
This just speaks to me of sticking to the status quo because 'that's just the way it is', and no better reason, regardless of how illogical and restrictive the status quo is.
From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come"
Believe it or not, this is the best, most sensible reason I've been given so far, although it's just a notch or two above 'that's just the way it is'. It's an indication that for all the proud claims that Dakka is a more diverse forum than Warseer, gamewise, in this here selfsame thread, it's still very much focused on GW games and a handful of imitative, satellite manufacturers/publishers; and like many gamers struggles to break out of that manufacturer-first viewpoint.
But I'm not saying that's altogether a bad thing, or has to change completely. I'm definitely not saying something like lump 40K into a generic 'sci-fi' board along with every other sci-fi game, if the main focus of the forum is on GW games.
So yeah, for big, popular games from single manufacturers, keep their dedicated boards. But for smaller, more peripheral games (not so peripheral if you play them and love them) or indeed entire periods and genres, it might be, y'know, nice, to have just a bit more division and organisation along logical lines. If Dakka wants to boost it's image as supporting general gaming, just a tad. I think Harry's recent topic, although it's about organisation of plogs rather than gaming, illustrates how a bit more sensible pigeonholing can make things easier for members, especially new members, and might even promote activity and game diversity. For example...
Malifaux gets it's own board, fair enough, but other VSF/steampunk/gothic horror games like In Her Majesty's Name, Empire of the Dead, GASLIGHT and Dystopian Wars/Legions get lumped into 'Miscellaneous'.
Fantasy Flight spacecraft games like X-Wing and Star Trek Attack Wing get their own board, and hanging-on-by-a-thread BFG gets it's own corner with the other SGs, but other spacecraft games like Full Thrust, Firestorm Armada, Halo Fleet Battles and Noble Armada get lumped into 'Miscellaneous'. Will Dropfleet Commander follow them?
Two of the four Warmachine boards have been quiet since January, and On The Lamb Games get their own official board here for their fantasy games, despite having no posts since October. Wishing no ill to OTLG in particular, but if we're going to judge boards, genres and games based on their traffic, are all those strictly necessary? (Especially if the top topic in the OTLG board is any indication)
WFB/AoS players might start to get red-faced if 'inferior' fantasy stuff turns up in their forums, but I'd hazard that KoW players - already laid back about mixing rules and minis, especially those who evacuated from WFB - might not be too phased by their game of choice arguably being the most talked-about in a hypothetical, more generic 'Other Fantasy' board.
That applies even more to historical games, whose players generally and happily mix and match rules and minis as they see fit, as the 'background and designs' belong to history and not any single manufacturer that might stamp a copyright or trademark on them - or to a scale, which can be fairly fluid - despite what a FoW fan coming straight from 40K might think. The example that was not-very-successfully used against that idea, the fact that PSC minis can be used for FoW (and Battlefront minis for Battlegroup - imagine!), is in fact a good example for it. Keep an individual Battlefront board if FoW is that popular, but I think the rest of the WWII period - whether Battlegroup, Bolt Action, Chain of Command, I Ain't Been Shot Mum, Blitzkrieg Commander, Battlefield Evolution, Victory Decision, Poor Bloody Infantry, etc. etc. etc. - deserves just a little better than to be shoved aside into the only available, most generic bin because it's not Battlefront.
Just as an example.
I don't have any written-down, painstakingly-detailed plan of how the boards down under the 'Other Gaming' banner could be reorganised or renamed, or how nitpicky you'd have to get with subgenres and periods. (Would spacecraft games need a board outside a potential 'other sci-fi'?) I think the Lead Adventure Forum's layout is a brilliant example, though, and I think that with a little rethinking and consolidation the same general idea wouldn't take up too much more space than 'Other Gaming' takes up now. (especially if you take a long hard look at the slower boards above Other Gaming)
* I'd respond more directly, but I hazard mentioning the word 'tangent', and following it up, is enough to send him into a dizzying rage.
That said, if mods want this pertic'lar tangent moved to nuts 'n' bolts, I'll happily cut 'n' paste.
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From what I've seen, Dakka Management does not believe in "build it and they will come"
Believe it or not, this is the best, most sensible reason I've been given so far, although it's just a notch or two above 'that's just the way it is'. It's an indication that for all the proud claims that Dakka is a more diverse forum than Warseer, gamewise, in this here selfsame thread, it's still very much focused on GW games and a handful of imitative, satellite manufacturers/publishers; and like many gamers struggles to break out of that manufacturer-first viewpoint.
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That said, if mods want this pertic'lar tangent moved to nuts 'n' bolts, I'll happily cut 'n' paste.
I think, for fairly obvious reasons, that the Admins are even more leery to remove a forum than add one. I agree that some games have an obscene amount of breathing room: Wm/Hordes is particularly egregious with four forums for less overall traffic than one decent Kickstarter thread. OTL had an arrangement with Dakka to provide official forums, so they might allow them stay longer in case the company resuscitates.
A major reorganization isn't just a question of shifting people's expectations, but also literally reassigning threads to a forum, and that's work.
Anyway, there are month old threads on the front page of Historical Gaming, Misc Games are about three weeks old on the front page, while Mantic is almost two months of threads on the front page. That's the problem: if they created new forums for every game you can imagine, there would be no threads to fill them.
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
To preface, I'm certain we'll never see eye-to-eye on this. This is all I'll post on the issue here, and to save you time if you want to, I'll sum it up: I disagree with you. Post your viewpoint in Nuts & Bolts and convince enough people to agree with you, and you might get the change you want; it's a damn-sight better chance than continuing to exchange words with some randomer you won't persuade.
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Vermis wrote: And WWII gaming as a whole (i.e. 15mm + everything else) isn't?
WWII as a whole wouldn't work for the same reasons a unified Warhammer board wouldn't. Too many systems and too general of an approach.
Does it? Sources?
The Currently 15mm forum being practically exclusively FoW. Note that the forum is not solely for FoW, and yet seems to contain nothing but when it comes to gaming systems.
Why does discussion of a period and scale have to be centred around a manufacturer?
I don't believe I said that the period should be centred around a manufacturer at all. I perhaps misspoke when I said 'centred' and simply meant how it is currently, being FoW having the most focus whilst also allowing other 15mm scale.
So do as Herzlos suggested, and have a board for the period, not a game.
Splitting already fairly small historicals further would just make many underused forums. The reason the Historicals forum exists is because no one historical there can really be justified a forum to itself, nor even the period really. The only one that really sticks out as being a potential candidate is Bolt Action.
One. 28mm WWII has been around for much longer than Bolt Action, and for a wider range of rules. I can't imagine what would prompt that kind of thought except the attitude that hyped 'big box' games are the only games worth bothering about.
Again, I perhaps misspoke, intending only to point out that Bolt Action seems to be the predominant game of choice for 28mm WWII, backed up the fact that it dominates the front page of the Historicals forum, and a thread on there asking about recommendations for a WWII system received primarily answers of 'Bolt Action'. I don't deny that there are others, and never intended to imply that there weren't.
Two. No, I agree. 28mm Bolt Action would not fit into a 15mm FoW board. This is why you have a general WWII board.
Multiple large systems using the same board could easily get not just confusing, but could also result in any of the systems that has a larger following simply drowning others out to the point where it might just be easier to make a thread in the slower Historicals forum. If it gets any bigger, BA might risk doing just that with Historicals, but currently it's fine. If we shift that to a WW2 board, though, we shift the numbers. Where BA + non-15mm WWII once made up a large chunk of Historicals, it might now only make up a small percentage of General WWII. Just check the numbers for both forums. Historicals has 1159 threads with with 10354 replies over many periods, scales, and systems. FoW +15mm WWII has 2617 threads and 23976 replies, well more than double. Even taking into account that the FoW forum existed 2-3 years before historicals, it's still 100 threads more and about 1000 posts more per year. Even if we assume BA + other WWII contribution to Historicals is high, it still pales in comparison with FoW + 15mm on its own. Since bumping is simply a spam post and thus not allowed, any BA or other scale WWIIs in there would have to fight the far more prolific FoW threads for attention, and once it falls off even the first half of the front page, the chance of being read falls dramatically. Once off the front page completely, it's unlikely to be found, because people rarely look past page 1. It's true for Google results, and its true for forums--ever seen how many threads people post that are identical to, or ask the same questions as one on the second page, or even a few threads lower than theirs?
If a system wants to be noticed on a general WWII board, it'll have to fight FoW for it. Some people might be fine with that, some might feel like staying in Historicals gives their thread a better chance of being seen and answered.
No, it wouldn't. In fact, that example is closer to what you're arguing for, and the current setup of Dakka's boards: division based on manufacturer. Having 40K, WFB, and AoS lumped into one board makes more or less the same sense as having, oh, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Team Yankee and so on lumped into one board. Or, KoW, Warpath, Dreadball, Mars Attacks and Dungeon Saga all lumped into one board. Madness!
Again, I'm not arguing for manufacturer-based vision, simply that the current set up is perfectly fine. My argument here is that 40k, WHFB, and AoS sharing a forum means that multiple threads for different, well-populated systems will all vie for attention with one another, and the result would be a forum with no focus or cohesion. Neither FoW's systems combined nor Mantic's systems combined come close to one of GW's systems, and both combined fall short of AoS/WHFB's YMDC section in terms of topics, and just about match total posts. A single GW system's rule queries section. When any one of FoW's or Mantic's systems can come close to the same, there may be an argument for separating it off. You're trying to compare systems like Dreadball and Arab-Isreali War to one of GW's systems, which is like comparing our Sun to Canis Majoris. When I'm struggling to find a FoW WWI thread amongst swathes of Vietnam and Team Yankee ones, I might agree, but until then trying compare a shared GW board to a shared FoW or Mantic board doesn't even have the same challenges, never mind the same sense.
Yeah... when you make one argument in one line, then start to contradict that argument in the next line, I have to wonder. Also, when you talk about numbers, are you still talking about Battlefront-only games?
See above for why it's not a contradiction, as well as why I'm talking primarily Battlefront numbers. Again, Battlefront out-paces combined historicals significantly, and other non-15mm WWII historicals even more so by extension. The fact that even with that, FoW is still dwarfed by a single GW system is why none of the FoW games is justified in getting a forum for it, and why they're all still fine sharing a forum.
On one hand, I have no idea where you pulled that idea out of. On the other hand, that's the situation we have now, which maybe suggests what a daft situation it is.
If that was the situation now, you wouldn't be complaining, as that's exactly what you're looking for: a combined forum; and I agree with you for once, it is daft.
Anything that isn't 15mm WWII, or some FoW spinoff, gets dumped into the Historical board; along with everything from biblicals to ECW to ancients to napoleonics to dark ages to ACW to...
Because no single Historical can even start matching FoW in terms of traffic, and because there aren't loads of people asking for anything different. Lots of people asked for Mantic to get their own forum, and they did. Lots of people asked for FFG to get their own board, and they did. Lots of people asked for 30k to get their own board, and it did. The difference between them and Historicals is the 'lots of people asked' bit. If you want to get something done then stop dissecting some random cretin's internet posts and actually start a thread in Nuts & Bolts about it.
Then perhaps have a 'moderns' board, or an extension of a WWII board, or both.
Moderns would have to be proved to be worth making, and the only way to judge that is whether or not people show there's a significant want for one. What would the extension be? WWII Systems' Non-WWII Games? Are there even enough of those to fill five forum pages in a year?
Again, what!? Other forums do it perfectly well! And I can tell you it makes far more sense and less mess in theory and in practise than cherry-picking one particular manufacturer's interpretation of a period and throwing the many others into a metaphorical trash heap!
Good for them. Nobody seems to want it here or we'd have it. You've seen how many people complain about random guff just in this thread, if the current system is too messy or nonsensical, then where's all the criticism about it? Where are all the users of these messy and nonsensical forums posting their requests to clean it up, because it certainly isn't anywhere on Dakka.
Like I said above, ask for it. If enough people want change then they can have change, but as much as we might think it legoburner isn't psychic, and arguing with me about it certainly won't do anything.
Sez.
You.
This just speaks to me of sticking to the status quo because 'that's just the way it is', and no better reason, regardless of how illogical and restrictive the status quo is.
It's literally two 'yes/no' questions, so yes, 'sez me'. I want to stick to the status quo because it's not been proven to me that it doesn't work. Things here change because enough users have proved that it's worthwhile. The opinion of a few people out of thousands isn't enough to base changes like this on, especially if they don't actually ask for them.
I don't think we're going to ever agree on this, but that doesn't stop you from being able to go and ask for it to happen anyway, proving me well wrong if it does. Make your arguments, convince enough people that you're right, and make something happen.
Or don't, I can't make you; I'm not a Fascist Mod.
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Mandorallen turned back toward the insolently sneering baron. 'My Lord,' The great knight said distantly, 'I find thy face apelike and thy form misshapen. Thy beard, moreover, is an offence against decency, resembling more closely the scabrous fur which doth decorate the hinder portion of a mongrel dog than a proper adornment for a human face. Is it possibly that thy mother, seized by some wild lechery, did dally at some time past with a randy goat?' - Mimbrate Knight Protector Mandorallen.
Excerpt from "Seeress of Kell", Book Five of The Malloreon series by David Eddings.
"You need not fear us, unless you are a dark heart, a vile one who preys on the innocent; I promise, you can’t hide forever in the empty darkness, for we will hunt you down like the animals you are, and pull you into the very bowels of hell." Iron - Within Temptation
Dakka is shaped by it's past as a 40k board, which means that rule sets, not settings, are going to dominate the taxonomy. A Bolt Action player is more likely to be familiar with Gates of Antares than any other WWII gaming rules.
What I have seen, pretty consistently in the many years I've posted here, is that when a game or topic gains a lot of traction, it will eventually break out. Essentially, they follow the discussion, rather than direct it.
I'm afraid you're actually somewhat wrong on this front this time around, old bean. There has actually been a fair amount of discussion of late with regards to adding forums/condensing some forums down/removing others. The first phase, I believe, was to add a 30K and Game design forum, and shuffle the appropriate threads over to them. That has now been done. The second phase is currently still in the planning stage. So...watch this space?
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A lot of 15mm and 6mm will have to go in the Miscellanous Games and Historical Gaming boards, except WWII 15mm, which goes in the Battlefront and 15mm WWII board, where 28mm WWII can't go because it's 28mm, so it has to go in the Historical Gaming board away from all that unhistorical 15mm WWII, and...
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