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If I had any interesting in a Tomb Kings army I would download the rules now, just in case.

 Da Boss wrote:
How do you guys feel about this?

Personally it makes me feel nervous! I've drifted away from Fantasy in the last few years but I still have a lot of affection for the IP... but now I feel like I need to "keep an eye on" what GW are doing so I don't suddenly realise that a kit that had always been on my "someday, I'll pick that up" list doesn't just vanish!

I feel pretty much the same way.

Still, room for what is it, six distinct varieties of Space Marine, but no room for Egyptian themed undead? *shakes head*

Surely with no egyptian themed undead, players will instead flock to buy egyptian themed space marines?

Logical, y'see.

Sad for the TK players, but hey, at least your collections probably just increased in resale value long term?

Depends on how much demand there is, with both Warhammer and now the TK warscrolls picking up the 'unsupported' stigma.


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coldgaming wrote:Somehow though the Razorgor, square metal Rat Swarm and Beast of Nurgle live to fight another day.

I never thought of the rat swarm. How does that fit with AoS's round bases?

thekingofkings wrote:it also didnt hurt that the army is pitiful.

Heh. Words right out of me mouf.

jonolikespie wrote:
I worry for things like Dark Elves, which we haven't really seen show up in the fluff at all beyond Malerion (or whatever his new name is).

Guildsman wrote:Somehow, I doubt that the "aelfs" will remain three distinct factions when their turn for renewal comes up.

I figured the current elves will be axed. Part of me is interested in seeing how the new aelfs turn out, and if they're in any way able to be shoved in an army with the older minis without too much glaring difference. But another part of me looks at the golden he-man and SnM releases of AoS so far, and becomes more and more discouraged.

I guess, unless I go splurge sometime soon (which I was never fond of doing with wargaming minis even in times of plenty, and I share AllSeeingSkink's liking for panic buying) those high and dark elf forces I started for skirmish games will have to stay for skirmish games.

Bottle wrote:Yes, I have thought about the Dragon Slayer and what his fate might be. It is a great model so I would likely pick one up when it's added to LCTB.

Why not sooner?

Davor wrote:GW doesn't charge to much. People will pay what they feel is worth it. Problem is, GW makes sure their products are not worth it for a number of reasons.

Ergo, GW charges too much.

Kilkrazy wrote:As far as I can see, if you have a TK army finished or within reach of finished, you can carry on playing legacy WHFB, or play the legacy war scroll army in AoS, or swap to Kings of War or another fantasy game like HOTT.

It certainly isn't the end of everything, but if you liked GW games and hoped to continue playing a role in them and in their fluff, you are screwed.

Well said that man.

Teurastaja wrote:
That's what happened to me with Warmaster and Battlefleet Gothic. It sucks to be Tomb Kings player.

I don't really see how whole army going oop is positive in any way.

And that one.

Wulfmar wrote:It may have been said already: the same sources that predicted the TK removal are now predicting that Brettonians are going to be squatted too

Perry HYW FTW.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:Personally I've never been a big fan of ebay because my hobby time is more valuable to me than my hobby money, I'm not going to hang out waiting for something to come up on ebay when I can just buy it new, nor am I a fan of stripping models.... but either way I don't think having people forced in to buying OOP models on ebay is in any way a good thing for TK players, lol.

'Til recently I might've agreed with Pojko, but, yeah, this. Stripping paint (if it would even strip) to discover the thick geological layer of poly cement beneath it has made me a lot more wary of ebay castoffs. The start of my DE collection, a set of cold one knights, was so ruined I had to spend almost as much on bits sellers for replacement parts, and the total wasn't far off a new, discounted box.
And the newer DE plastics aren't too common on ebay either, for some reason, as second-hand or discounts. Even the Troll Trader doesn't have many marked-up handfuls of them.

I have a decent sized "half finished" Bretonnian army, at this point I'm just going to chalk them up as a loss I think.

I know there's a lot of leeriness and psychological (sometimes even physical) blocks on using GW armies with other, smaller games, and I don't know what your view or situation is; but I'd really recommend taking a look, or stowing your brets until you're ready and able to take a look. I haven't bought so many GW minis in ages, since I armed meself with some newer rulesets and looked at my lead pile for loose groupings and faction ideas. (And it's pretty ironic that trying to make use of my lead pile is making it grow even bigger) It even extended to a Bretonnian theme, and a box of pre-finecast metal questing knights on ebay. Those weren't discounted in any way, I can tell you...

Kilkrazy wrote:It's probably fairly easy to find skeletons and skellie horses and Egyptify them.

Is it?

With hindsight, I think that there are essentially two different games of AoS.

The first is the "transition" game. This includes nods to legacy models and rules, and stop-gap army rules to grandfather in all current armies.

The second will be the "real" AoS. This will be the game after all old models and armies are phased out, and what the new armies and factions are.

I'm sure that just like the "ravening hordes" list gave stop-gap rules to use chaos dwarfs and dogs of war, that you will be able to use all discontinued models/armies for quite a while. Eventually though they will drop all support for discontinued models.

Dogs of war and chaos dwarfs were largely useless by 7th, much less 8th edition. Which is why proxy will be the only way to play, by shoehorning in units you own to obvious counts-as.

A human knight is a human knight, I guess.

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 Malisteen wrote:
Why would your club need to allow proxies? The TK scrolls still exist.

The rules are discontinued too. You will no longer be able to download the PDF, and it will probably be dropped from the app.

Bologna. It's being removed from the web store, not the site. That already happened to the chaos compendiums - they're no longer in the store. But they're all still there for download in the AoS rules section. Same with the lizardment one. And they're all still in the app, too, including all the lizardmen named characters who weren't in the seraphon book ages ago.

But all those still have models sold by GW.

The hellcannon doesn't, it's still in the app. Throgg doesn't, he's still in the app. The vampire lord on abyssal terror doesn't, it's still in the app.

These units might not be sold any more, and might not appear in the fluff going forward, but the rules aren't going anywhere for people who already have the models. And it's hard to imagine how much of a jerk someone would have to be to refuse to let you use the rules for models you bought and painted, just because those models aren't sold anymore.

Especially in a game as anti-competitive as this.

Ok fair enough.

Wow, and they sold out FAST.

Probably haven't seen a restock of many things in a LONG time :/

 Malisteen wrote:
... but the rules aren't going anywhere for people who already have the models....

Maybe, maybe not. Personally I'd strongly recommend downloading rules for armies that are getting the chop in case GW decides to cull them. GW have a long and illustrious history of culling rules which have no models., whether it's from their publications or from their website, they tend to be living on borrowed time.

Remember when GW said they would never Squat another army?

 Ferrum_Sanguinis wrote:
Remember when GW said they would never Squat another army?

GW themselves don't

 Kilkrazy wrote:
If I had any interesting in a Tomb Kings army I would download the rules now, just in case.

I already did, from Mantic

Man I can't believe I missed this. Everything I really wanted is already sold out too! I just wanted to get a Carrion, 3 Ushabti and maybe a handful of Tomb Guard to make a small TK Warband for AoS/D&D

I'm really going to have to stay on guard now....especially for the Empire.

Well, unlike some other guy saying you would have all the time in the world to grab what you want at decent prices...I saw it coming.

As soon as the main editor says it stops a range, you can be sure a lot of carrion eaters fly to feast on the corpse. Then selling the remains on other websites at higher prices, since they're not available anymore.

Things are going much faster than a few years ago. For those who missed the chance...well, I know how you feel.

Thank you, GW, for destroying my urge to start getting more into AoS. You have given me hope, however, that my Tomb Kings will provide me with money to buy more 40k stuff, so I may forever stay away from what is Age of Suckmar.

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

 krodarklorr wrote:
Thank you, GW, for destroying my urge to start getting more into AoS. You have given me hope, however, that my Tomb Kings will provide me with money to buy more 40k stuff, so I may forever stay away from what is Age of Suckmar.

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

Just putting it out there but Empire of Dust exists for KoW

 krodarklorr wrote:
On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

You could keep it and have even more points of Empire of Dust for KoW.

 jonolikespie wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Thank you, GW, for destroying my urge to start getting more into AoS. You have given me hope, however, that my Tomb Kings will provide me with money to buy more 40k stuff, so I may forever stay away from what is Age of Suckmar.

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

Just putting it out there but Empire of Dust exists for KoW

Eh, no thanks. I don't like to play things that are out of date, and I hate buying things second hand online. If Tomb Kings will no longer be supported, I have no reason to be interested in AoS, or even going back to 8th edition fantasy. I also don't really care for KoW.

 krodarklorr wrote:

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

.....Or Undying Dynasties for 9th Age

(Mind you I can see how discontinuing the whole model range would cause you to throw up your hands and say "to hell with this!")

Just putting it out there that KoW has offered support to TK players, so it might be worth giving the system a try before you do go and sell a whole army. Rules are free after all

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Thank you, GW, for destroying my urge to start getting more into AoS. You have given me hope, however, that my Tomb Kings will provide me with money to buy more 40k stuff, so I may forever stay away from what is Age of Suckmar.

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

Just putting it out there but Empire of Dust exists for KoW

Eh, no thanks. I don't like to play things that are out of date, and I hate buying things second hand online. If Tomb Kings will no longer be supported, I have no reason to be interested in AoS, or even going back to 8th edition fantasy. I also don't really care for KoW.

Try Hordes Of The Things. Your TK will fit right in.

Oh man, you turn your back for a second and already all the Ushabti on Ebay are gone and the ones that are left are almost 50$ (CAD) each.

Guess I can nix that warband idea.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:

 jonolikespie wrote:

 krodarklorr wrote:
Thank you, GW, for destroying my urge to start getting more into AoS. You have given me hope, however, that my Tomb Kings will provide me with money to buy more 40k stuff, so I may forever stay away from what is Age of Suckmar.

On a completely unrelated note, I now have 3k+ points of Tomb Kings for sale...

Just putting it out there but Empire of Dust exists for KoW

Eh, no thanks. I don't like to play things that are out of date, and I hate buying things second hand online. If Tomb Kings will no longer be supported, I have no reason to be interested in AoS, or even going back to 8th edition fantasy. I also don't really care for KoW.

Try Hordes Of The Things. Your TK will fit right in.

Does Hordes of the Things have any other players in any of the gaming groups he can regularly attend? How well he TK fit in will not mean anything if he cannot get any opponent to play with.

 sing your life wrote:

Does Hordes of the Things have any other players in any of the gaming groups he can regularly attend? How well he TK fit in will not mean anything if he cannot get any opponent to play with.

A whole lot of this right here.

Also, I noticed you quoted me in your sig. Whhhyyyyyyyy

He could recruit people. HoTT uses standard Ancients basing so nearly any existing army can be used. It's a bit sad if everyone sits around at home lamenting the fact that someone else hasn't already set up a game group for them to join.

 Kilkrazy wrote:
He could recruit people. HoTT uses standard Ancients basing so nearly any existing army can be used. It's a bit sad if everyone sits around at home lamenting the fact that someone else hasn't already set up a game group for them to join.

My gaming group already don't care to play AoS except for maybe 1 or 2 people. everyone already plays 40k, Malifaux, occasionally Warhamordes, ext. Personally I don't feel like trying to get more people to move to another game, when most of them have sold their AoS minis by now.

Sounds bad. Maybe some new people will join, or you might be able to find a new group, with luck.

Well it's a shame to see so many people being negatively affected by this.

Here's a guy who started selling off his Tomb Kings yesterday, likely because of this news. Most of the stuff is painted, but the deals are fantastic for those who don't mind pre-painted minis or a restoration job. Even offers free shipping to the US.

Currently has 16 listings, with most Buy It Now's at $25-35 for entire regiments of infantry, cavalry and chariots. How long will they remain?

http://www.ebay.com/sch/raymondsprague/m.html?item=252287620429&hash=item3abd83954d%3Ag%3ACmUAAOSw~OVWwSPX&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Sounds bad. Maybe some new people will join, or you might be able to find a new group, with luck.

Yeah, I understand the possibility is there. But my morale towards the situation is just terrible. I loved Tomb Kings, and I liked Fantasy. But they want to replace us with Vampire Counts+, so I see no use in keeping my beloved Tomb Kings. Especially when I could use them to net me some more Necrons or something.

It's sad when they're now worth more to me by not having them.