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 Red Corsair wrote:

Spoiler:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Gamgee wrote:

With Necrons I feel they really need some more interesting vehicles and stuff since looking at them its usually so infantry biased with maybe some arcs around. Dark Eldar need the evil equivalent to the Wraith Knight but balanced. DE just need a lot in general. Some armies have huge swathes of selections to pick from. I'm sometimes envious of the opportunities of Space Marine collectors and Chaos collectors since there is just so much variety. Where as Tau, DE, and Necrons (and many others) just don't have much.

HAHAHA! Really? You're actually jealous of the single oldest & most woefully incomplete model line in the entire game!? (Sisters not withstanding)

I mean, I get that we all want more toys, but c'mon, trying to say that Chaos gets actual support, when 15+ years on and we're still waiting for plastic autocannons & missile launchers!?
If you're going to be jealous of someone, at least be jealous of an army that's had more than a paltry 4 kits over the past 9 years.


Hopefully Fenris Part II is the long overdue start to the fabled "Year of Chaos", and we can finally get a model line that isn't perpetually stuck in the early 2000's... Hopefully we can get a good solid 8-12 months of on-off releases, with new kits for;
- basic Chaos Marines
- Terminators
- Havocs
- Chosen
- Berserkers
- Noise Marines
- Plaguemarines
- Oblits/Muties combo kit
- Cultists
- Bikers
- updated Rhino
- updated Land Raider w/new Chaos only variant

And for the Daemon side, throw in at least one more of the Greater Daemons, if not both.

I chuckled, Gamgee likes his Tau.

I think you could leave the terminators alone, and they reboxed the marines so despite being a bit dated they still do the job. I think havos and chosen would be a combo kit, same with oblits/muties so honestly the only major kits would be the 4 cults. I'd say try to combo them in pairs but I am not sure it is possible which is probably why it hasn't occurred. Maybe they will just do plastic upgrades like the sprues they did for blood angles space wolves etc. Give you a god specific champion and enough shoulder pads and gear to make a squad. To me that is the most cost effective approach, I honestly can never see them making 4 unique kits for each cult. Same reason eldar still don't have plastic aspects, there are just too many unique elements and they can't add that many SkU's to the shelves.

I disagree, Termies and CSM need an update. Havoc and Chosen as a combo could work, but I'd almost prefer (although GW would never do it again) an upgrade sprue with plenty of special and heavy weapons and a bit of greeble that could be combined with a Tac box to make either.

But CSM and Termies need an update purely because there's two very different aesthetics at play now in Chaos kits, and they belong to the old style. All Chaos from Dark Vengeance on has had a more organic look (and a better one IMO.) The CSM box and Terminators are still of the old "take what the imperials have and stick some horns and spikes on it" era. The Rhino chassis and Land Raider could use help too, but I know not to dream too big!

Experiment 626 wrote:

Hopefully Fenris Part II is the long overdue start to the fabled "Year of Chaos", and we can finally get a model line that isn't perpetually stuck in the early 2000's... Hopefully we can get a good solid 8-12 months of on-off releases, with new kits for;
- basic Chaos Marines
- Terminators
- Havocs
- Chosen
- Berserkers
- Noise Marines
- Plaguemarines
- Oblits/Muties combo kit
- Cultists
- Bikers
- updated Rhino
- updated Land Raider w/new Chaos only variant

And for the Daemon side, throw in at least one more of the Greater Daemons, if not both.

While I agree GW needs to do a lot for CSM, I think we'll be lucky to get even half of that. Terminators for instance I think GW will decide are "good enough" for now. As much as I'd like to see better chaos specific rhinos and land raiders I think GW is perfectly fine with these.

The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

You gotta love that good 'ol Loyalist over-entitlement...

"What's that? You want a new Termie kit? But Chaos has a "good enough" Termie kit! I mean, you don't even get enough basic combi-bolters & power weapons to equip a basic squad, and more than half your actual options are entirely missing, but just buy like 4 kits AND convert the living piss out of them, and you can make something decent!

Of course, it's totally fair that we Loyalists have Terminator, Assault Terminator, Wolfguard Terminator, Deathwing Knights/Terminator, Blood Angel Assault Terminator AND Grey Knight Terminator kits!
I mean, they're so radically different and all, there's no way that GW could possibly just issue some added upgrade sprues to add to a basic kit - we need the extra bling of course so that it's clear which Chapter each Termie squad belongs to!"


Or the inevitable farce that's, "Why do you even need separate kits for all your radically different Cults anyways? A simple sprue with 10 shoulder pads, a couple heads, and the odd gun is all you really need for Cult Marines.

But WE need separate kits for Blood Angels Tactical Squads, because they're super different from regular tactical squads, and of course, Space Wolves need their own entire line of kits, because otherwise no one will really know they're wolfy-wolf marines covered in wolf bits!"


And then people wonder why Chaos players get upset...

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

You gotta love that good 'ol Loyalist over-entitlement...

"What's that? You want a new Termie kit? But Chaos has a "good enough" Termie kit! I mean, you don't even get enough basic combi-bolters & power weapons to equip a basic squad, and more than half your actual options are entirely missing, but just buy like 4 kits AND convert the living piss out of them, and you can make something decent!

Of course, it's totally fair that we Loyalists have Terminator, Assault Terminator, Wolfguard Terminator, Deathwing Knights/Terminator, Blood Angel Assault Terminator AND Grey Knight Terminator kits!
I mean, they're so radically different and all, there's no way that GW could possibly just issue some added upgrade sprues to add to a basic kit - we need the extra bling of course so that it's clear which Chapter each Termie squad belongs to!"


Or the inevitable farce that's, "Why do you even need separate kits for all your radically different Cults anyways? A simple sprue with 10 shoulder pads, a couple heads, and the odd gun is all you really need for Cult Marines.

But WE need separate kits for Blood Angels Tactical Squads, because they're super different from regular tactical squads, and of course, Space Wolves need their own entire line of kits, because otherwise no one will really know they're wolfy-wolf marines covered in wolf bits!"


And then people wonder why Chaos players get upset...

The trouble is, they know they will make their money back off the marine kits. The land raider for example is a pretty old kit that has probably more than paid for itself over the years. How long would it take a brand new Chaos variant to pay for itself? I mean maybe they could stick a new sprue in there with some weapons options but that's it. Same with the Terminators and basic csm squads.

There's plenty of things in the chaos line that need updating before any of those things get touched.

Make them not suck, and I'd sure as hell do my part

 Crazyterran wrote:
I imagine if Magnus gets laid low in the Space Wolf book, it will be due to Azrael and Grimnar putting aside their differences and teaming up to take him down, perhaps with some help by the Grey Knights.

Or Draigo will pop out of the warp, give Magnus a noogie, carve Leman Russes name into Magnus' Heart, then moonwalk back into the warp.

NOOOOOO!!!!!!!

I could totally see that happening. Some Super Friends, Saturday morning cartoon, PSA bullsquat. Learning lessons of love and friendship across the galaxy. Ugh. Puke.

For my money Russ comes back and apologizes for being an easily lead dupe, and a total loyalist killing tool or Russ comes back to battle Magnus. Then Magnus rips his heading off with Telekinesis, sets his body on fire with Pyrokinesis and tricks half the Space Wolves in to killing the other half of the Space Wolves using Telepathy. Because Magnus was a Titan slaying boss, and Russ was a kin slaying thug.

Mic drop.

 Gamgee wrote:

Pariah-Miniatures wrote:
It is about time GW evolved the stagnant state of 40k. New models are always welcome, especially since they keep knocking it out of the park with this crazy kits.

Enough talk about the fabricated Blood Ravens chapter. The RELICTORS, did it first, relic is where they get their name, and they have caused such a problem they are constantly being hunted by shady Inquisitors, all the while hunting for more relics.. They even disobeyed Dante in the war of armageddon and are only interested in aiding others if there is a possibility of relics being looted from the area.

They don't have the style though. Which is what makes the Blud Revens so much more memorable.

That is subjective.

Using chaos to fight chaos is win in my book.

The annoying thing about the lack of new Chaos vehicles is that Codex: Space Marines can get kits left and right that are just an old kit with a new sprue that makes it an all-new kit. Look at the Stormhawk and the Hunter/Stalker. The Stormhawk is from the fairly new, but still older Stormtalon. The Hunter/Stalker is just a Rhino(old compared to most of the C:SM kits) with a new sprue. Why can't Chaos have the same thing? Hell, do that same thing with Chaos exclusive vehicles(all one of them) and make something new. Or take a Loyalist vehicle and release a new sprue that is more Chaos-y and say they Dark Mechanicum reverse engineered it.

Edit: And it is kind of BS that they won't release a new base CSM kit. Like the Grey Hunter sprue, it could form the basis of every other PA CSM kit.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Edit: And it is kind of BS that they won't release a new base CSM kit. Like the Grey Hunter sprue, it could form the basis of every other PA CSM kit.

What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Edit: And it is kind of BS that they won't release a new base CSM kit. Like the Grey Hunter sprue, it could form the basis of every other PA CSM kit.

What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

Woah woah did they add something to that kit to make plague marines? Because I remember when it came out and it only let you make 10 normal guys unless you wanted to pretend that they were chosen by changing the paint scheme around a little or something like that. Or do you mean that you could really use them like that without much work other then I guess painting them brown and green and make them look slimy?

 General Kroll wrote:

Spoiler:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

You gotta love that good 'ol Loyalist over-entitlement...

"What's that? You want a new Termie kit? But Chaos has a "good enough" Termie kit! I mean, you don't even get enough basic combi-bolters & power weapons to equip a basic squad, and more than half your actual options are entirely missing, but just buy like 4 kits AND convert the living piss out of them, and you can make something decent!

Of course, it's totally fair that we Loyalists have Terminator, Assault Terminator, Wolfguard Terminator, Deathwing Knights/Terminator, Blood Angel Assault Terminator AND Grey Knight Terminator kits!
I mean, they're so radically different and all, there's no way that GW could possibly just issue some added upgrade sprues to add to a basic kit - we need the extra bling of course so that it's clear which Chapter each Termie squad belongs to!"


Or the inevitable farce that's, "Why do you even need separate kits for all your radically different Cults anyways? A simple sprue with 10 shoulder pads, a couple heads, and the odd gun is all you really need for Cult Marines.

But WE need separate kits for Blood Angels Tactical Squads, because they're super different from regular tactical squads, and of course, Space Wolves need their own entire line of kits, because otherwise no one will really know they're wolfy-wolf marines covered in wolf bits!"


And then people wonder why Chaos players get upset...

The trouble is, they know they will make their money back off the marine kits. The land raider for example is a pretty old kit that has probably more than paid for itself over the years. How long would it take a brand new Chaos variant to pay for itself? I mean maybe they could stick a new sprue in there with some weapons options but that's it. Same with the Terminators and basic csm squads.

There's plenty of things in the chaos line that need updating before any of those things get touched.

Not long at all. Firstly plastic moulds don't cost anything like they used to, largely thanks to GW owning most of their own kit, and secondly because Chaos is still a strong performing line, as is evidenced by the fact that the old kit is still a top seller.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Spoiler:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

You gotta love that good 'ol Loyalist over-entitlement...

"What's that? You want a new Termie kit? But Chaos has a "good enough" Termie kit! I mean, you don't even get enough basic combi-bolters & power weapons to equip a basic squad, and more than half your actual options are entirely missing, but just buy like 4 kits AND convert the living piss out of them, and you can make something decent!

Of course, it's totally fair that we Loyalists have Terminator, Assault Terminator, Wolfguard Terminator, Deathwing Knights/Terminator, Blood Angel Assault Terminator AND Grey Knight Terminator kits!
I mean, they're so radically different and all, there's no way that GW could possibly just issue some added upgrade sprues to add to a basic kit - we need the extra bling of course so that it's clear which Chapter each Termie squad belongs to!"


Or the inevitable farce that's, "Why do you even need separate kits for all your radically different Cults anyways? A simple sprue with 10 shoulder pads, a couple heads, and the odd gun is all you really need for Cult Marines.

But WE need separate kits for Blood Angels Tactical Squads, because they're super different from regular tactical squads, and of course, Space Wolves need their own entire line of kits, because otherwise no one will really know they're wolfy-wolf marines covered in wolf bits!"


And then people wonder why Chaos players get upset...

The trouble is, they know they will make their money back off the marine kits. The land raider for example is a pretty old kit that has probably more than paid for itself over the years. How long would it take a brand new Chaos variant to pay for itself? I mean maybe they could stick a new sprue in there with some weapons options but that's it. Same with the Terminators and basic csm squads.

There's plenty of things in the chaos line that need updating before any of those things get touched.

Not long at all. Firstly plastic moulds don't cost anything like they used to, largely thanks to GW owning most of their own kit, and secondly because Chaos is still a strong performing line, as is evidenced by the fact that the old kit is still a top seller.

There's a perverse kind of logic there.

The huge number of Chaos players can't buy a new kit, therefore the old kit is a top seller. The old kit is a top seller, there is no reason to replace it.

Yep, sadly the choices are keep buying so GW know there's a demand, or stop buying in protest and risk GW interpreting that as a lack of demand and letting it languish.

If only they'd talk to us...

 EverlastingNewb wrote:


What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

Is this some ultra deluxe level trolling?

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:


What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

Is this some ultra deluxe level trolling?

Why should it? I build my Plasma chosen & my plague marines out of the csm kits. Just because a lot of csm players are whiny 'ultra deluxe' to use
your words doesn't mean everyone thinks this way.

No, there's always going to be a percentage with lower standards.

I don't mind the csm kit but a new one would be nice.

 EverlastingNewb wrote:

 lord_blackfang wrote:

 EverlastingNewb wrote:


What's the problem with the CSM kit? I personally like the kit. You get basically 10 Plague marines, 10 Chosen & 10 normal marines and with some
conversion work 10 Havocs, with heavy conversion work even 10 Noise marines. The new Start Collecting! gives you everything to build one of the
10 above of your choice and, because of the helbrute parts easy access to havoc weapons & basically a free Sonic Dread (admittedly with some
conversion work.)
I'd rather stick with this kit than the new CAD Minis of GW. Sure they're pretty.. and thats pretty much it.

Is this some ultra deluxe level trolling?

Why should it? I build my Plasma chosen & my plague marines out of the csm kits. Just because a lot of csm players are whiny 'ultra deluxe' to use
your words doesn't mean everyone thinks this way.

I prefer toilet paper my finger doesn't go through, I guess they sell the thin stuff cause there's people that don't mind.

 Azreal13 wrote:

 General Kroll wrote:

Spoiler:

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Frozen Ocean wrote:
The basic Chaos Marines aren't just "a bit dated", they're very, very old and they look like it. I love the Chaos aesthetic, but those models are just ugly (some of the parts are good, which is nice when combined with Loyalist Marine kits, though). Especially when there has been no end to the Chapter-specific kits in the last few years. Blood Angels and Space Wolves even get their own Tactical Squads, but Chaos shouldn't get a kit that isn't incredibly dated?

You gotta love that good 'ol Loyalist over-entitlement...

"What's that? You want a new Termie kit? But Chaos has a "good enough" Termie kit! I mean, you don't even get enough basic combi-bolters & power weapons to equip a basic squad, and more than half your actual options are entirely missing, but just buy like 4 kits AND convert the living piss out of them, and you can make something decent!

Of course, it's totally fair that we Loyalists have Terminator, Assault Terminator, Wolfguard Terminator, Deathwing Knights/Terminator, Blood Angel Assault Terminator AND Grey Knight Terminator kits!
I mean, they're so radically different and all, there's no way that GW could possibly just issue some added upgrade sprues to add to a basic kit - we need the extra bling of course so that it's clear which Chapter each Termie squad belongs to!"


Or the inevitable farce that's, "Why do you even need separate kits for all your radically different Cults anyways? A simple sprue with 10 shoulder pads, a couple heads, and the odd gun is all you really need for Cult Marines.

But WE need separate kits for Blood Angels Tactical Squads, because they're super different from regular tactical squads, and of course, Space Wolves need their own entire line of kits, because otherwise no one will really know they're wolfy-wolf marines covered in wolf bits!"


And then people wonder why Chaos players get upset...

The trouble is, they know they will make their money back off the marine kits. The land raider for example is a pretty old kit that has probably more than paid for itself over the years. How long would it take a brand new Chaos variant to pay for itself? I mean maybe they could stick a new sprue in there with some weapons options but that's it. Same with the Terminators and basic csm squads.

There's plenty of things in the chaos line that need updating before any of those things get touched.

Not long at all. Firstly plastic moulds don't cost anything like they used to, largely thanks to GW owning most of their own kit, and secondly because Chaos is still a strong performing line, as is evidenced by the fact that the old kit is still a top seller.

Like the guy below this post said, there's still that perverse logic behind the supply and demand element of the csm line. The basic squad is selling gang busters like you said, so is there really that much wrong with it? (Genuine question) on the face of it the csm squad, and termy kits look great to me, but there may be issues I don't know of.
Surely the god specific squads should be a priority since they are either resin, ancient, or non existent. As well as things like obliterators and mutilators (which I also believe are resin)

Those would honestly be my bigger priorities before replacing any serviceable plastic kits that are selling well.

If I were GW and saw one of my best selling products have a dip in sales, I would likely question why that is, and do something to counter the downward trend. If they know chaos is popular, a dip in sales for an ancient or badly in need of update kit, would likely spur me into action. Especially if other kits in the product line were doing well.

So the Chaos Space Marine kit doesn't need an update, because it's selling well and there's absolutely nothing that could be improved upon?
I guess they updated the SM Tactical Squad, Assault Marines and Devestators because they were simply bored one day, then?


Now, on-topic, I'd love to see a plastic Magnus the Red, although I do hope he looks more like the old artwork rather than the new...

The reason the kit sells well is because it's needed for most of the Marines units in a CSM army.

Thousand Sons, Noise Marines and Plaque Marines all require the kit in addition to their upgrades.

Chosen don't have a kit so outside of the Starter Set the basic Marines box + converting is all there is.

Unless you're fine with a finecast squad, each with a different weapon you need the basic box + loyalist bits to convert Havocs.

And if you want basic Chaos Space Marines... well you also need the basic box.


While I'll admit other things are a priority over the basic kit... it really needs an update. It no longer fits with the new aesthetic set by the Raptor box and starter set Chosen, is horrible when it comes to the detail (compared to the Tactical Marine box and other recent releases) and is a mess when it comes to mold lines.

It's not like Tactical Marines needed a new box either, and yet they got it.

Could you please move the general talk about how old and bad CSM models are to the general 40k forum. They will not be updated as part of this 2016 release. It was already commented on by Sad Panda a while ago:

- No complete overhaul of the Chaos Space Marines miniature range

- No new Codex

Maybe they will get an update to their army list like a Decurion in the WZ Fenris II campaign book. But more likely it is just a variant list like White Scars or Black Legion got. I would not even expect changes to the Rubric Marines ruleswise.

Chaos players need to get used to the idea that marines are the the main faction and chaos is just there for them to shoot at and make the space marines look good. Your army is just a side one for the main forces and focus of 40k - the imperium.

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Chaos players need to get used to the idea that marines are the the main faction and chaos is just there for them to shoot at and make the space marines look good. Your army is just a side one for the main forces and focus of 40k - the imperium.

I've seen this joke too many times at this point, so I have to ask: seriously?

My brother just uses the Raptor box set to mix it up a bit with his CSM tactical squads. Lots of lovely chainswords and special weapons to mess about with as well as the heads.

Please GW, I need this in my life before I can die in peace.
Make a 40K version of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1SdVC2mrz8 with Magnus and Russ. It NEEDS to happen.

Leman Russ cried out in rage to his brother: "It was all your fault! Betraying the emperor with your damned sorceries! You gave me no choice but to fight you!"
Magnus looked up, staring directly into his brothers fierce eyes. With a calm voice, yet oddly sad given his hatred for the man he once called brother, Magnus stated: "No brother, it was your choices that led us to this fate."
*ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZAP

Cue next chapter

Really keen for this. I loved the fluff in the Warzone Fenris 1 book - the battles were a bit boring, but the overall story was really interesting so I'm looking forward to the sequel.

Giving Tzeentch a little love is definitely a good thing, too!

If TSons get new, solid rules?

Yeah I'm in, this is the excuse I needed.

If they're stuck with the bonkers, laughable rules they suffer under now? Never gonna happen.

 Frozen Ocean wrote:

 Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Chaos players need to get used to the idea that marines are the the main faction and chaos is just there for them to shoot at and make the space marines look good. Your army is just a side one for the main forces and focus of 40k - the imperium.

I've seen this joke too many times at this point, so I have to ask: seriously?

Yes seriously. The imperium is the focus of gw attention and and background, everything else is there to serve as fodder for that machinery.