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In a perfect world there would be 3 sets of chaos marine kits.

- veterans of the long war: mark 2-4.
- renegades: mark 5-7 (basically the current kit)
- cult marines: whatever mutated and warp crazy each god would look like.

I'd also be completely fine with seeing some older vehicles/etc. Much in the way that Forgeworld has taken much of the old Epic/40K stuff and made it look neat and modern (by modelling/sculpting standards).

It'd be great to see a lot of retro designs brought up to modern sculpting standards, supplied for the Chaos forces. It doesn't seem at all to be something GW would actually be interested in doing, but it couldn't hurt.

Now if they found a wonderful way to simply cross a lot of new Horus Heresy plastics with the Chaos stuff so they could double-dip profit wise, maybe we'd see some of it.

Experiment 626 wrote:

 Crazyterran wrote:
Wasn't the Raven Guard and Dark Angels the ones testing Mark 6, while Mark 5 was a hodgepodge of whatever could be thrown together?

The Death Guard and Iron Warriors preferred Mk3, for example...

They may have initially been the test monkeys, but by the time the Heresy began, it was still only those who had basically only sided with Horus who had been near to fully outfitted with those newer armour Mk's.
The Death Guard & Iron Warriors may have preferred the older marks, but everyone else had been readily supplied with the newest stuff.

Compound this with the fact that it was Horus' forces who managed to capture and/or subvert the vast majority of those worlds which were producing the newest stuff.

Besides the semantics though, the main issue is that it's positively stupid & massively fluff breaking that Chaos Marines currently look closer to Mk7 but with Mk6 pants, rather than being composed of mostly Mk5 & 6, with a moderate amount of Mk3 & 4 thrown in for good measure.

I am pretty sure Mk VI was pushed into production during the Heresy and only reached Loyalists.

Mark 6 was used well before the Heresy began.

 buddha wrote:
In a perfect world there would be 3 sets of chaos marine kits.

- veterans of the long war: mark 2-4.
- renegades: mark 5-7 (basically the current kit)
- cult marines: whatever mutated and warp crazy each god would look like.

Well it looks like they are moving towards that. We already have all the FW stuff for the legions. And now the BaC stuff, and rumours of even more plastic legion stuff.

Then you have the Crimson Slaughter stuff.

We also have rumours of new TS marines, there's also cult marines and upgrade kits available, they could be better, but they are there.

Personally, if I were a csm player I'd want GW to be focusing on the really bad stuff like that, the fine cast things like obliterators, cult marines, and havocs. I honestly don't know why 626 keeps going on about the basic csm squad kit, there are much bigger fish to fry.

 Ashiraya wrote:
Mark 6 was used well before the Heresy began.

Yes. It was field tested before the Heresy but it did not enter full scale production until the Heresy was starting.

I collected the info from the podcast with R. MacNiven

* Mild spoiler warning *

- His ebooks will be released as a novel later, they were written with that in mind and are set at the middle of the WZF story
- He is not allowed to say exactly what but there is more than just stories released by BL coming
- Midgardia, which - as we have known since the artist of that artwork pointed it out - is getting bombarded by the Dark Angels not Fenris and burned to the ground. It is not blown apart though.
- The Changeling is so excellent at hiding, only Tzeentch knows his real form and has much respect for that ability. The Changeling had sneaked into a SW fortress earlier. The Inquisition is investigating. Maybe I missed it but he hasnt been detected in part 1-5 afaik
- Known Characters will die (not the big ones)
- He was able to write about a lot of Space Wolves characters, both recently introduced and those well known
- Epic scale story, taking place on several planets, moons and space ports - More than 14 main characters, at least 12 SM chapters involved

This is what Robbie MacNiven knows and/or allowed to say and/or his impressions regarding the game itself - do not quote him on that:
- The storyline/conflict of the Daemonic Incursion is going to expand to other areas and is not limited to the Fenris system
- My interpretation: Sounds like more Warzone campaigns for 40k in other areas
- No AoS-ification
- No Destruction of the 40k universe to start anew

Story development:
- The characters (like Azrael, Stern etc) have individual reactions to and opinions of the Wulfen. Pretty interesting stuff actually
- SW and DA arent driven by hatred for each other
- The Daemon incursions are so severe that bombing a planet was one of the last measures available
- There are different kinds of Wulfen characters, some are feral, some more human than animal
- In Part 8 everything escalates (not his words)

He is also writing a Charadon's novel and two top secret projects including a short story.

A Stormtrooper/Militarum Tempestus and more Imperial Guard stories is something he would like to work on next as they havent gotten much for a while and he also collects and plays IG. He played a lot of WFB and there will be an AoS book by him some time in the future.

The Warzone Fenris ebook series is going to end sometime in August, he doesnt know 100%, but earlier than fall 2016. There are two ebooks left.

There was a lot more talk, especially about the SW characters involved.

The first part of the WZF ebook series is available for free by the way.

Pretty sure Wolfy wolfborn will die- terrible character IMO.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Pretty sure Wolfy wolfborn will die- terrible character IMO.

he has a model. Probably not going to happen. Probably named wolf lords without models will die.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Pretty sure Wolfy wolfborn will die- terrible character IMO.

he has a model. Probably not going to happen. Probably named wolf lords without models will die.

Aun'va the tau space pope had a model and still has one and is now dead. He was a major part of our fluff until Warzone: Mont'ka iced him.

So the other wolfy wolf riding character who only got rules in the current codex?

I can't think of any other SW characters without a model besides Bran Redmaw (who has FW rules).

I would have no problem at all with them icing existing character that have models. Some characters are just so cool you want to play them, even if that technically makes your army a flashback army. And the fact they probably went down in some crazy event just makes them more desirable lol.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Ideally, the entire Chaos Marine line should be using mainly MkV & MkVI styles of armour, since it was those who sided with Horus who had been the first to receive the 'latest' and most modern (for the time) suits of power armour.

Latest would have been Mk IV. Mk V and VI weren't introduced until after the Heresy had begun.

Look at the FW Legion upgrade kits.

Mk IV legions:
Sons of Horus
Emperor's Children
Night Lords
Word Bearers
Alpha Legion
Ultramarines
Blood Angels
Thousand Sons

Loyalist = 2 out of 8

Mk II/III legions:
Dark Angels
White Scars
Iron Warriors
Imperial Fists
Iron Hands
Death Guard
Wold Eaters
Salamanders
Space Wolves

Loyalist = 6 out of 9

Mk VI legions:
Raven Guard

IF Chaos could only have one style of armor to represent every flavor of chaos marine Mk5 would be the most appropriate. Its really the technological divergence point. Could different groups of Chaos be found using other patterns of armor?-Yes, but in most instances there would be some exclusion of certain patterns. With Mk5 however, because it represents a hodge podge stop gap pattern as much as it can represents Heresy era former legionaries, it can also represent new Renegade chapters that have simply had to adapt in the absence of Imperial resources cobbling together suits to stay ready for combat.

Mk5 is similar enough to Mk6 and Mk7 most common to the loyalist marines that a CSM would still be identifiable as an "astartes" but divergent and varied enough to be recognizable as something different.

Roknar wrote:
I would have no problem at all with them icing existing character that have models. Some characters are just so cool you want to play them, even if that technically makes your army a flashback army. And the fact they probably went down in some crazy event just makes them more desirable lol.

Yeah. Who says you can't have models of not-currently-living models? GW used to not say so. Was so much fun to have characters from history. Idea of every game happening in most recent year is boring anyway. You have thousands of years of history and you only use one?

 Gamgee wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Pretty sure Wolfy wolfborn will die- terrible character IMO.

he has a model. Probably not going to happen. Probably named wolf lords without models will die.

Aun'va the tau space pope had a model and still has one and is now dead. He was a major part of our fluff until Warzone: Mont'ka iced him.

True, but Aun'va doesn't exactly do any of the fighting on his own. Propaganda-Hologram is about as effective in combat anyway.

I hope the Culuxes stole his hat. He is Pariah Pope.

 Crazyterran wrote:
I hope the Culuxes stole his hat. He is Pariah Pope.

Now I want to do a custom Culexus wearing Aun'va's hat.

Sidebar: Seriously, though, how frickin' pathetic is it that the assassin that kills Aun'Va is the one designed to take on psykers. It would be like using bright lights to kill a blind person.

Consider he sucks out souls by poking people with his finger, I would be willing to accept it. I would have rather do the Callidus doing it, since her disguising herself as one of his honour guard and shooting him in the back would have made more sense then her trying to get close to Farsight or Shadowsun, who have advanced sensor suites.

Oh well, they managed to kill a few of the 8, put Shadowsun on life support, and kil Aun'va. Did more than Shrike and Khan managed to do in three books and a short story collection.