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 Vaktathi wrote:
The WS3 and I3 on the maulerfiend hurt a lot. It's faster than most walkers and gets a 5+ invul, but being an AV12 Heavy Support combat walker with A2 means it is, at best, mediocre.

Well it does get an extra Melta hit or two in melee, but overall yes it is mediocre as a whole.

 sing your life wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 sing your life wrote:
Space Marine Terminators

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TH/SS Termies do quite well.

They... they do ok. The shields can't do gak against high volumes of non-AP2 shots that will utterly unless they take a land raider that costs over 500pts in total, but they can beat down most TEQs and MCs if get their positioning right. They're at least not an obselete trainwreck like regular SB/PF terminators.

Iron Hands Assault Terminators with a biomancy librarian and an Inquisitor are borderline ridiculous. Ever tank 100+ Pulse rifle shots with a single model?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:

 Vaktathi wrote:
The WS3 and I3 on the maulerfiend hurt a lot. It's faster than most walkers and gets a 5+ invul, but being an AV12 Heavy Support combat walker with A2 means it is, at best, mediocre.

Well it does get an extra Melta hit or two in melee, but overall yes it is mediocre as a whole.

At best it's a poor man's Soul Grinder, at worst, it's a faster moving Helbrute.

For Khornekin, you can just take Soul Grinders and laugh. With CSM's, you can run a Mayhem Pack and laugh at the sheer amount of templates those puppies can drop.

 Mr Morden wrote:
Great Model, Lousy rules:

Land Raider
Celestians
Orks - pretty much everythingthey have is stuck in 7th.

truely Dire models, great rules

Centurions
DreadKinght
Stormsurge
Avenger
All the GW Space marine flyers
Wulfen

I actually think the Space Marine flyers are really cool looking. I also like the Dreadknight. Although I'm totally neutral about Space Wolf models, a friend of mine is a Space Wolf fanatic, and absolutely loves the new Wulfen models.

This is all a matter of personal perspective and preference, which is why I think this particular discussion is interesting and fun.

 jreilly89 wrote:

 Galef wrote:
WraithLords and WraithBlades. Both are gorgeous models with fantastic kits, but horrible rules. Points cost and slow movement make them unusable.

WraithLords are basically Eldar Dreadnaughts without the option to take a Drop Pod or be taken in squads. At least the WraithBlades can be alternately built as WraithGaurd to be used

It actually makes me sad that these guys are terrible, but the Wraithknight is so OP. I love the WraithLords, I just wish they got more play time.

You should have played when 4th edition Eldar came out. Wraithlords were boss back then, mainly because we had none of this gargantuan bullgak in normal 40k, nothing else had T8, and it had Strength 10 base.

I feel the possessed marines are pretty lack luster these days. I had bought some thinking the concept was kind of awesome. Then I played them.

Eldar Rangers are one, I'd say.

Squiggots -> Nice models,cool idea horrible pricing in points.

Warkoptas -> Cool idea orks could use a skimmer transport. But 65+ points for a hp2 10/10/10 bug seems to be a bit much

Scions. Adequate stats for the unit they represent (though upping them to WS4 wouldn't hurt) but at similar points to a tactical marine, just bad value.

Howling, freaking banshees... look great but seriously can we have furious charge please, I'd like to wound something at some point

Robin5t wrote:
Eldar Rangers are one, I'd say.

The Eldar Rangers that were available around the time 3rd Edition were mediocre, in my opinion. However, I really like the newer ones that came out a few years ago.

Robin5t wrote:
Eldar Rangers are one, I'd say.

maybe only within the Eldar codex itself...but they are by far the best sinper unit in the game for what they are, particularly next to something like Sniper Scouts or Ratlings.

Sniper units, even at their best, are “meh” these days. It’s a unit you can park on a backfield objective that has the range to technically affect the battle.

The old Eldar rangers were hit or miss. Some I think were better then the new ones, others worse. The modern ones are consistently good looking though. They were one of the first units I picked up when re-booting my Eldar army. One of the first new things painted as well.

 Vaktathi wrote:

Robin5t wrote:
Eldar Rangers are one, I'd say.

maybe only within the Eldar codex itself...but they are by far the best sinper unit in the game for what they are, particularly next to something like Sniper Scouts or Ratlings.

Seriously? Why? I'd say the Tau drones are way better.

Anything that belongs to the Tyranids.

 Torus wrote:
Howling, freaking banshees... look great but seriously can we have furious charge please, I'd like to wound something at some point

Nah, let them run and charge! Or give Eldar an assault transport.

Rangers use to be awesome when they were the only ones able to get something like a 4+ cover save while standing in the open, and a 2+ cover save in actual cover.

Nowadays everything either gets a 2+ cover save easily, or flat out ignores cover. And snipers got nerfed to hell. They're basically only good when compared to other units of their type, but that's about it.

Ork fliers The model is great but the rules are really bad.
GW must have known this since they just released 3 new formations all to sell just this single kit.

Really I can't immagine a non FW flier that can't stand his ground to these fliers, even transports win with ease from them. Why can't my meks just mount some decent guns on these planes. A bunch of traktor kannons or even twin linked Smasha guns would make them so much more interesting.

 Shandara wrote:

 Torus wrote:
Howling, freaking banshees... look great but seriously can we have furious charge please, I'd like to wound something at some point

Nah, let them run and charge! Or give Eldar an assault transport.

Oh God, running a charging a unit of Banshees with Jain Zar would be great, but the standard girls would still just bounce off anything with 4+ toughness

Are we allowing limited run models?
I'm going for the Spawn of Cryptus, looking at the new Patriarch rules are making me upset. They need only have let him be an independent character, then he could join a more customised unit, other than the bog standard Children. And some betters powers wouldn't go amiss.

Tyranid Warriors - I think the models are awesome, they are certainly very customizable. However, at T4 they just don't work. I'd happily drop Warriors Wounds to 2 in exhange for a bump to T5.

 jasper76 wrote:
Tyranid Warriors - I think the models are awesome, they are certainly very customizable. However, at T4 they just don't work. I'd happily drop Warriors Wounds to 2 in exhange for a bump to T5.

I dunno, I've had decent success with Warriors, though I'd be all for you're proposal.

Not sure if anyone has mentioned it, but Tesseract Vault. Fantastic model, next to worthless SHV.

Khorne Bloodcrushers..

Great models, but ruined also by T4.. they became insta-kill fodder to anyone with a S8 weapon

Wraithknights... fantastic models, bought 3 when you could have them as heavy support but try and use them now and you get beaten up with a metal dreadnought in a sock


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Oh and most of the Harlequin Dex... any help against deep striking flamers or flyers would be nice... that or a price decrease

 Torus wrote:
Wraithknights... fantastic models, bought 3 when you could have them as heavy support but try and use them now and you get beaten up with a metal dreadnought in a sock

I hadn't read anyone complain that WKs had terrible rules in a while, I guess since Dman last posted on the board.

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

 Torus wrote:
Wraithknights... fantastic models, bought 3 when you could have them as heavy support but try and use them now and you get beaten up with a metal dreadnought in a sock

I hadn't read anyone complain that WKs had terrible rules in a while, I guess since Dman last posted on the board.

I think the problem he is saying is that fielding a Wraithknight makes others want to hurt him.

 Galef wrote:
WraithLords and WraithBlades. Both are gorgeous models with fantastic kits, but horrible rules. Points cost and slow movement make them unusable.

WraithLords are basically Eldar Dreadnaughts without the option to take a Drop Pod or be taken in squads. At least the WraithBlades can be alternately built as WraithGaurd to be used

I found Wraithlords scary to fight specially when my brother takes 3 of them. I just think they get overshadowed by everything else in the eldar codex.

My vote is for my Hell Talon Bomber. I miss the days when it could drop its full payload.

Mandrakes from the DE line.
Scourges from the DE line.
Wytches from the DE line.
Incubi from the DE line.

Notice a theme here?

 Tactical_Spam wrote:

 Xenomancers wrote:

 wuestenfux wrote:
What came to my mind when I saw this thread: Flayed Ones - great models, great rules, but bad price.

Tactical Marines - the saviour of mankind.
Jack of all trades but master of none.

Yep - tactical marines win out for me too.

Tactical Marines are bad

This gives context to his YMDC posts, at least.

Assault Marines, Shootinators, Flayed Ones.

Lousy Model, Good Rules?

Mephiston, Ragnar Blackmane, Skulltaker, Not-Deathwatch 5th Edition Cassius, Warp Spiders, Stormtalon/raven and Honour Guard, for lack of a vanilla kit for them.

 Vankraken wrote:

 Lammikkovalas wrote:

 Torus wrote:
Wraithknights... fantastic models, bought 3 when you could have them as heavy support but try and use them now and you get beaten up with a metal dreadnought in a sock

I hadn't read anyone complain that WKs had terrible rules in a while, I guess since Dman last posted on the board.

I think the problem he is saying is that fielding a Wraithknight makes others want to hurt him.