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Recently bought the Montka, and from what I understand I can run any of the formations as either Codex: Tau Empire, or Codex Suppliment: Far Sight Enclaves(Meaning different sig systems and bonding knife for all). However if I am running formations from Montka or a dawnblade contingent not as FSE then which warlord traits do I use and which objective cards? If I am running a dawnblade but not as FSE, it would make sense to use the normal Tau stuff, and if FSE use the FSE stuff, but I wanted to make sure I had it right before my next league game. I bought the FSE cards, and the Warlord traits are awesome, but I run MSU so bonding knife is just a point sink for me, and would rather not take it but I want to use the FSE warlord traits. Which way is correct?

I'm fairly certain you can run any formaion as a FSE army; however, if you read the wording in Mont'ka about the dawnblade contingent is listed as "The Dawn Blade Contingent is a Farsight Enclaves Detachment." Meaning it cannot be a Codex: Tau Empire Detachment. However, the other "formations" in Mont'ka can be either.

Ok, ty. Thats what i was thinking but it seemed to be not so clear.

Also you should be made aware the leaked white dwarf pics announced that they're going to be updating the Farsight enclaves codex and redistributing it so there is potential for some more Tau formations and the like to come our way

 gmaleron wrote:
Also you should be made aware the leaked white dwarf pics announced that they're going to be updating the Farsight enclaves codex and read distributing it so there is potential for some more Tau formations and the like to come our way

Nothing on the radar beyond FSE. FSE is $33 as well, which is a surprise.

They are literally just updating the old book it sounds like, really hoping you can take the 8 characters individually and they clarify the vague wording in regards to the relics and riptides.

I literally just bought Montka, i should have held out. I am guessing it will just be what we have in Montka. Also rereading the dawn blade contingent rules it saws dawn blade can be taken with any Tau army so it is my guess that you can run it non FSE.

 redleger wrote:
I literally just bought Montka, i should have held out. I am guessing it will just be what we have in Montka. Also rereading the dawn blade contingent rules it saws dawn blade can be taken with any Tau army so it is my guess that you can run it non FSE.

That was my interpretation, too. Both the Hunter Cadre and the Dawn Blade can be taken as either TE or FSE, however, there would be no inherent advantage in taking a TE DBC other than better sig systems and slightly cheaper units.

SJ

 jeffersonian000 wrote:

 redleger wrote:
I literally just bought Montka, i should have held out. I am guessing it will just be what we have in Montka. Also rereading the dawn blade contingent rules it saws dawn blade can be taken with any Tau army so it is my guess that you can run it non FSE.

That was my interpretation, too. Both the Hunter Cadre and the Dawn Blade can be taken as either TE or FSE, however, there would be no inherent advantage in taking a TE DBC other than better sig systems and slightly cheaper units.

SJ

I'll have to check my physical copy of Mont'ka to see if the wording is different, but the digital copy states: "If you wish, you can say that Any Tau Detachment or Formation in your army is from the Farsight Enclaves." and then goes on to describe the differences between using normal Tau, and FSE Tau stuff. Then right before the DBC entry it reads: "The Dawn Blade Contingent is a Farsight Enclaves Detachment." Leading me to believe, you can field a FSE Hunter Contingent, but NOT a Tau Empire Dawn Blade Contingent.

While I know battle scribe lets you field DBC as a regular Tau Empire list, I personaly think the wording prohibits it. However, I by no means clame to be an expert on the wording of GW rules...

FSE is cancer to the tau army and it should have been abolished when they updated the codex to 7th with kauyon and montka. its too strong in its current state. unless they do a major rules overhaul to fse to make it worse by a ton. i am still refusing to play against it because crisis suits as troops and there silly wargear tables make it impossible to play against them

 ionusx wrote:
FSE is cancer to the tau army and it should have been abolished when they updated the codex to 7th with kauyon and montka. its too strong in its current state. unless they do a major rules overhaul to fse to make it worse by a ton. i am still refusing to play against it because crisis suits as troops and there silly wargear tables make it impossible to play against them

How is this in any way on topic or helpful to the OP? The person who started this thread wanted help, not complaining. FSE is a different style, and if they use lots of squads of Crisis suits can be easily tabled because they are basicly 2W marines with special weapons. FSE has the same strengths TE does, Riptides, Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges. If they run pure Crisis Suits they'll have maybe 30 models on the field that can be one shoted and lose their armour save to anything S8 AP3.

Nocturus wrote:

 ionusx wrote:
FSE is cancer to the tau army and it should have been abolished when they updated the codex to 7th with kauyon and montka. its too strong in its current state. unless they do a major rules overhaul to fse to make it worse by a ton. i am still refusing to play against it because crisis suits as troops and there silly wargear tables make it impossible to play against them

How is this in any way on topic or helpful to the OP? The person who started this thread wanted help, not complaining. FSE is a different style, and if they use lots of squads of Crisis suits can be easily tabled because they are basicly 2W marines with special weapons. FSE has the same strengths TE does, Riptides, Ghostkeels, and Stormsurges. If they run pure Crisis Suits they'll have maybe 30 models on the field that can be one shoted and lose their armour save to anything S8 AP3.

Quoted for truth.

Thanks for the help guys. For now I will just run DBC as FSE. I have an apoc game Saturday and I am gonna run riptide wing and one huge DBC. Maybe throw in a armored interdiction just to get some S10 shots against the titans. I hate the wording of Bonding knife, but since I will be running blobs in this game, it might actually come in handy.

Ignore Ionsux just another salty guy who probably doesn't wish to change up his tactics or strategy so he blames in army for his lack of being able to deal with it. As already mentioned FSE have a lot more weaknesses than the regular Tau army do, primarily the lack of numbers on the table especially in a pure suit army like I run, you will have to learn to ignore the haters sadly unfortunately too many people like to complain non stop and stead of think constructively, especially in regards to Tau.

If he has Titans I highly recommend taking at least a few hammerheads, skyrays and some deep striking fusion Crisis suit teams to help strip away shields and get to those hull points. Let us know how it goes!

For Apoc vs Titans, which rarely lasts more than 3 turns, I'd advise a full Heavy Ret Cadre, a Riptide Wing, and a couple Drone-Nets. You want to strip shields as soon as possible, followed by raining D-missiles.

SJ

I have decided on hunter contingent for the focus fire abilities. In my meta we play it right with units sharing USRs that confer.

List is a contingent with hunter cadre, 3x OSC with velocity trackers, armoured interdiction cadre

ranged support cadre
riptide wing
drone net all maker drones. 5k in total. I have no storm surges but a teammate is running 3 so Im running 4 riptides, 8 broadsides, and I am mostly worrying about anti air.

I have 60 kroot creating a meat shield against the bugs who will undoubtedly be heading right into my face. I will post up how it goes saturday night my time.