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1: I can appreciate the bringing the older expansion books up to date, especially for the Tau with their recent newish book.
2: BUT how long am I going to have to wait to know what happened to Fenris?!

3-4 weeks was the standard before with these campaigns

Paperback, eh? Still for $33 for the supplement that combines the previously released formations, and apparently 3 new ones as well, that's practically reasonable. Relatively speaking for GW products that is.

I didn't get a chance to buy the Sanctus Reach box or other stuff, so I'm tempted. Plus I never even took my hardcover W!G out of the shrink wrap after finally buying it at the end of 2015. Maybe I can return it, or sell it on eBay I guess.

 Sidstyler wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
Could we please go a week without more Tau updates/releases? Seriously. Half the armies out there haven't seen an update in over a year.

Indeed. Hopefully Tau won't see anything for the better part of a decade now.

I'd find that acceptable, but only if Space Marines don't get a single new release for the same period of time. Any of them.

GW updates what sells. Not doing another round of Tau isn't going to make a CSM or Sisters update come out any faster (or at all, even). Also, this isn't really an "update" anyway, the coalition or whatever it is are two models that were already released being re-released in the same box, and the FSE supplement is just a standalone reprint of the updates we already got in Mont'ka. There's nothing new coming out at all so it's a pretty gakky "update" if that's the case.

Get back to me when any one of the major four Space Marine armies has four books come out in less than six months. And any one of the major Space Marine armies outsells Tau.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
Could we please go a week without more Tau updates/releases? Seriously. Half the armies out there haven't seen an update in over a year.

Indeed. Hopefully Tau won't see anything for the better part of a decade now.

I'd find that acceptable, but only if Space Marines don't get a single new release for the same period of time. Any of them.

GW updates what sells. Not doing another round of Tau isn't going to make a CSM or Sisters update come out any faster (or at all, even). Also, this isn't really an "update" anyway, the coalition or whatever it is are two models that were already released being re-released in the same box, and the FSE supplement is just a standalone reprint of the updates we already got in Mont'ka. There's nothing new coming out at all so it's a pretty gakky "update" if that's the case.

Get back to me when any one of the major four Space Marine armies has four books come out in less than six months. And any one of the major Space Marine armies outsells Tau.

If we stop pretending greenmarines, redmarines and bluemarines are seperate factions from the main Matines rather than slight variants, you get quite a few more than four releases in that period.

changemod wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

Commissar Benny wrote:
Could we please go a week without more Tau updates/releases? Seriously. Half the armies out there haven't seen an update in over a year.

Indeed. Hopefully Tau won't see anything for the better part of a decade now.

I'd find that acceptable, but only if Space Marines don't get a single new release for the same period of time. Any of them.

GW updates what sells. Not doing another round of Tau isn't going to make a CSM or Sisters update come out any faster (or at all, even). Also, this isn't really an "update" anyway, the coalition or whatever it is are two models that were already released being re-released in the same box, and the FSE supplement is just a standalone reprint of the updates we already got in Mont'ka. There's nothing new coming out at all so it's a pretty gakky "update" if that's the case.

Get back to me when any one of the major four Space Marine armies has four books come out in less than six months. And any one of the major Space Marine armies outsells Tau.

If we stop pretending greenmarines, redmarines and bluemarines are seperate factions from the main Matines rather than slight variants, you get quite a few more than four releases in that period.

In what six month period have Space Marines had four book releases?

$33 for the supplement, including new formations, all the previous formations, and a bunch of new missions? Dammit GW, you got me.

I count possibly 14 pages of just pictures that can be removed to keep the fluff current content and add the new pages.

When does this go for preorder/sale?

Via Scanner 2-26-2016 http://forum.spikeybits.com/showthread.php?30283-New-Orks-and-Tau

Grukk and some dope looking Red Scorpions from the WD feature (there's a whole gallery above)

Still 3 wounds. Bah.

These seem to be more important than someone's Red Scorpion army, IMO.

 Kirasu wrote:
Spend more money on books! I mean it's cool they got an update.. but damn, this seems to be GW's new strategy and people love throwing money at books for some odd reason.

Do you have proof that these books are actually selling? I know when I went to my Gaming store, those books are sitting on the shelf, so while the books are being made, I am not so sure people are really buying except for people who own the armies.

I don't buy them unless I own the army or plan to start it.

 Grimskul wrote:
Miffed however that I finally caved in and bought the WAAAGH! Ghazghkull supplement a month ago...which is now soon to be invalidated.

And this is why GW needs to change and let us know. We shouldn't feel like we are "suckers!" for buying something and then it being invalidated. I know how you feel. I bought the 6th edition iPad version and 3 months later it became obosolete.

I believe your Ghazghkull is not invalidated, it just means you don't have an "all in one" book. Once it's released, I strongly suggest you call Customer Service by phone and talk to them letting them know how you feel about GW selling a book and you buying it and then GW releases a new book. Maybe some how, Customer Service will make it up for you some how. They are great. No matter what we say about GW, GW Customer Service is the best and ALWAYS tries to make us feel good about their purchase.

So Call Customer Support once the book goes on Pre-sale.

Wait, wasn't Mont'ka already basically the supplement to Farsight Enclaves?

What did Gamgee say so that he can gloat?

Requizen wrote:
Wait, wasn't Mont'ka already basically the supplement to Farsight Enclaves?

Yes, which makes this release even less needed and even more baffling.

Davor wrote:
What did Gamgee say so that he can gloat?

He copy/pasted a rumor over from ATT. Since no one heard of that rumor monger (and frankly it was a relatively new rumor monger even on ATT only providing info starting in mid/late 2015 iirc), the customary salt was applied and he took it personally. Since that rumor turned out to be true, he feels justified and is gloriously celebrating his ability to CTRL-C then CTRL-V.

Mont'ka, while providing some formations for Farsight, was mostly aimed at one of the two styles of combat the Tau employ (hence the name). I like that FSE is getting a Decurion specific to their style which is a blend of Tau standard tactics.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Mont'ka, while providing some formations for Farsight, was mostly aimed at one of the two styles of combat the Tau employ (hence the name). I like that FSE is getting a Decurion specific to their style which is a blend of Tau standard tactics.

I'd be surprised if that was the case given the blurbs posted above. The ork soft cover book is getting new formations and specifically says so. The tau soft cover book makes no mention of any new formations so I suspect they'll just be copy pasted over from Montka (and apparently some from Kauyon) without any changes barring maybe incorporating FAQ/errata (and even that is probably too optimistic). They'll update the fluff in the FSE book to incorporate the campaign notes as well as throw in some new artwork but I'd be shocked if they added another complete decurion on top of the two existing ones.

 warboss wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Mont'ka, while providing some formations for Farsight, was mostly aimed at one of the two styles of combat the Tau employ (hence the name). I like that FSE is getting a Decurion specific to their style which is a blend of Tau standard tactics.

I'd be surprised if that was the case given the blurbs posted above. The ork soft cover book is getting new formations and specifically says so. The tau soft cover book makes no mention of any new formations so I suspect they'll just be copy pasted over from Montka (and apparently some from Kauyon) without any changes barring maybe incorporating FAQ/errata (and even that is probably too optimistic). They'll update the fluff in the FSE book to incorporate the campaign notes as well as throw in some new artwork but I'd be shocked if they added another complete decurion on top of the two existing ones.

"which will enable you to build an army based around Farsight's Dawn Blade Contigent and 12 formations only previously found in Kauyon and Mont'Ka"

Direct quote from the WD advertisement. Seems like a Decurion for Farsight. Unlike the Ork one who doesn't mention a contingent or detachment, only formations.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Mont'ka, while providing some formations for Farsight, was mostly aimed at one of the two styles of combat the Tau employ (hence the name). I like that FSE is getting a Decurion specific to their style which is a blend of Tau standard tactics.

I'd be surprised if that was the case given the blurbs posted above. The ork soft cover book is getting new formations and specifically says so. The tau soft cover book makes no mention of any new formations so I suspect they'll just be copy pasted over from Montka (and apparently some from Kauyon) without any changes barring maybe incorporating FAQ/errata (and even that is probably too optimistic). They'll update the fluff in the FSE book to incorporate the campaign notes as well as throw in some new artwork but I'd be shocked if they added another complete decurion on top of the two existing ones.

"which will enable you to build an army based around Farsight's Dawn Blade Contigent and 12 formations only previously found in Kauyon and Mont'Ka"

Direct quote from the WD advertisement. Seems like a Decurion for Farsight. Unlike the Ork one who doesn't mention a contingent or detachment, only formations.

Um, the Dawnblade Contingent was a Decurion for Farsight. It required you to declare the army as a Farsight Enclaves army.

 Hulksmash wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 Hulksmash wrote:
Mont'ka, while providing some formations for Farsight, was mostly aimed at one of the two styles of combat the Tau employ (hence the name). I like that FSE is getting a Decurion specific to their style which is a blend of Tau standard tactics.

I'd be surprised if that was the case given the blurbs posted above. The ork soft cover book is getting new formations and specifically says so. The tau soft cover book makes no mention of any new formations so I suspect they'll just be copy pasted over from Montka (and apparently some from Kauyon) without any changes barring maybe incorporating FAQ/errata (and even that is probably too optimistic). They'll update the fluff in the FSE book to incorporate the campaign notes as well as throw in some new artwork but I'd be shocked if they added another complete decurion on top of the two existing ones.

"which will enable you to build an army based around Farsight's Dawn Blade Contigent and 12 formations only previously found in Kauyon and Mont'Ka"

Direct quote from the WD advertisement. Seems like a Decurion for Farsight. Unlike the Ork one who doesn't mention a contingent or detachment, only formations.

Yeah, but it's not a new Detachment, it's just the one from Mont'ka.

I would imagine the Orks get one too, even if it doesn't advertise it. That's the way things have been since last January, with the only exception being AdMech (which were really just half-codices anyway), it would be really odd for them to do a release with Formations but not make a Detachment out of them. Or maybe they will and it'll just be strange, but I don't really see that happening.

Then I could be wrong. And very possibly am. We'll know for sure soon.

It is nice though that the rules for the actual Decurion for Farsight will be all in one book either way. Since you had to use both Kauyon and Mont'ka to build the Mont'ka contingent.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Then I could be wrong. And very possibly am. We'll know for sure soon.

It is nice though that the rules for the actual Decurion for Farsight will be all in one book either way. Since you had to use both Kauyon and Mont'ka to build the Mont'ka contingent.

What was in Kauyon that was required for the Mont'ka Contingent if you did not buy the updated Tau book?

Retaliation Cadre I'm pretty sure was Kauyon only and not printed in Mont'ka. But again I could be wrong. I'm away from tablet at the moment

 Hulksmash wrote:
Then I could be wrong. And very possibly am. We'll know for sure soon.

It is nice though that the rules for the actual Decurion for Farsight will be all in one book either way. Since you had to use both Kauyon and Mont'ka to build the Mont'ka contingent.

Where are you getting that from? You didn't need Kauyon for Montka any more than you'll need it for the FSE book as long as you have the current Tau codex. You'll still need two books to play FSE according to the blurb pics above just like you do now (FSE or Montka PLUS the current tau codex). The only reason you'd ever need Kauyon is if you're using the 2013 Tau codex.

No, Hulksmash is right, they didn't port over the Formations that were shared afaik.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Retaliation Cadre I'm pretty sure was Kauyon only and not printed in Mont'ka. But again I could be wrong. I'm away from tablet at the moment

It's also in the Codex which is an alternative for Kauyon and still required for the FSE book. You'll need two books (physical or virtual) minimum regardless to play FSE... three if you're using the 2013 codex.


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Requizen wrote:
No, Hulksmash is right, they didn't port over the Formations that were shared afaik.

He's right that they didn't write it in Montka but wrong in that you need a single book to play FSE. You've always needed two books to play FSE as long as FSE has existed as a separate faction. Absolutely nothing has changed about the number of books needed with the introduction of this updated FSE book as you'll still need two books; you simply have a cheaper option as to exactly which two books you need.