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sturguard wrote:
Hopefully the orks fare better than the Space Wolves as far as formations and the decurion go. I would suspect they will as our benefits (fear and furious charge) are about as unspectacular as you can get.

That would imply that GW cares about balance or fairness or sense. If that were so, CSM would get an update first.

Space wolves getting bad bonuses?

Excuse me?

Have you LOOKED at iron wolves? I would krump somebody for the ability to get free upgrades on my trukks and move 12" and disembark!!!

I would happily settle for a objec bikers with a few small bouses lead by Biker warboss formation to be honest.

the_scotsman wrote:
Space wolves getting bad bonuses?

Excuse me?

Have you LOOKED at iron wolves? I would krump somebody for the ability to get free upgrades on my trukks and move 12" and disembark!!!

Bad decurion bonuses, not the individual formations. More on topic, I expect tge orkcurion go let the waaagh every turn after the first, like a weirder version of harlies. If so, Ghazgul might actually be semi-playable, as he suddenly can have a 2++ every turn but turn 1. My hope is that they'll get to charge out of reserve, and the core will be like the old formation that let everything DS.

I would be down for some army wide +1 FNP as a Decurion bonus. Perhaps squads that die can come back into the game as ongoing reserves like that endless host renegades formation.

sturguard wrote:
Hopefully the orks fare better than the Space Wolves as far as formations and the decurion go. I would suspect they will as our benefits (fear and furious charge) are about as unspectacular as you can get.

Oh, I fear you've picked the wrong thread to talk about things being unspectacular. Try the horde detachment bonus of getting HoW on Str3 models, only if you roll a charge of 10 or more AND your unit has to have 10+ models remaining. Let me tell you, a handful of str3 hits only after rolling a 10+ on 2 dice is about as unspectacular as you can possibly get.

And fear and furious charge aren't bad, by any stretch. At least they're permanent.

Their actually not; as soon as your HQ dies you lose the bonus, and you only get them for talking two core choices. Not as bad as the HoW thing, but not exactly great either.

LOL @ fear. Only army I ever see that effect is orks. Either armies are fearless, ATSKNF, or leader ship 10.

They need to revamp a lot of the ork formation and not require them to be so many models or max units.

I like the ork Warband, but it needs better formation bonuses. We can already waaagh every turn and get HoW from other formations and detechments. I'd like to see a bonus we don't have already somewhere else.

I will admit that fear is generally not that noteworthy, unless you're on the other side of it as a melee army, which unfortunately I always am.

Gotta say, though, I'm getting itchy for more info about the updated ghaz supplement, terrible or not.

I guess there's always the chance it could actually be useful.

 Kap'n Krump wrote:
I will admit that fear is generally not that noteworthy, unless you're on the other side of it as a melee army, which unfortunately I always am.

Gotta say, though, I'm getting itchy for more info about the updated ghaz supplement, terrible or not.

I guess there's always the chance it could actually be useful.

Same, I'm really curious about the new "Painmob" formation in the new getting started set.

Anyone notice that the old hardcover Waaagh! Ghazghkull is 80 pages, and new/revised softcover is also 80 pages? I wonder if they took some pictures out to make room for the new formations? Or scaled some stuff down.

 Cleatus wrote:
Anyone notice that the old hardcover Waaagh! Ghazghkull is 80 pages, and new/revised softcover is also 80 pages? I wonder if they took some pictures out to make room for the new formations? Or scaled some stuff down.

Well, we know for certain at least 6 pages for formations, what it sounds like there will be more missions as well. But there were several redundant pages in the old ghaz supliment. Only will know what it looks like when it comes out.
It's hard for me to hype myself up after so many disappointments. ..but I don't want to give up hope.
No doubt there will be a thread after it comes out discussing all the changes (if there are any). Will wait for that thread b4 actually ordering the book.

The "80 pages" reference in the WD is referring to the old one...it says something like "updating the 80pg Ghaz book..."

It doesn't say how many pages the new one has.

I think it's odd that the old Ghaz book is still for sale.

 JimOnMars wrote:
The "80 pages" reference in the WD is referring to the old one...it says something like "updating the 80pg Ghaz book..."

It doesn't say how many pages the new one has.

I think it's odd that the old Ghaz book is still for sale.

From the new preorders on the NZ page:

This 80 page softback book...

Right, the preorder text says that the softcover book is 80 pages.

Could be a typo. Not like that has ever happened!

I just had a horrible thought.
The 3 new formations aren’t new formations.
My reasoning…
1. there are going to be 3 formations from the sanctus reach campaign books. The only problem is that we know there are more than 3 formations from those books (5 was my last count…not counting the grukk formation from that space wolf ork box set). Why wouldn’t they include all the formations from sanctus reach, but the thing is that they most likely are.
2. We know the kill mob is being changed. When you change a formation like that it is no longer the old formation, but a whole “new” formation. Gw is possibly changing some of the sanctus reach formations just so they can call them “new” formations.
3. So by my count that only leaves 1 completely new formation left…that may or may not be the orkurian.
This is my pessimistic side at the most extreme. I do hope I am wrong.

geargutz wrote:
I just had a horrible thought.
The 3 new formations aren’t new formations.
My reasoning…
1. there are going to be 3 formations from the sanctus reach campaign books. The only problem is that we know there are more than 3 formations from those books (5 was my last count…not counting the grukk formation from that space wolf ork box set). Why wouldn’t they include all the formations from sanctus reach, but the thing is that they most likely are.
2. We know the kill mob is being changed. When you change a formation like that it is no longer the old formation, but a whole “new” formation. Gw is possibly changing some of the sanctus reach formations just so they can call them “new” formations.
3. So by my count that only leaves 1 completely new formation left…that may or may not be the orkurian.
This is my pessimistic side at the most extreme. I do hope I am wrong.

Look on the brightside, orks can't get worse =)

Just looked at the New Zealand store, and I'm very impressed.

I was expecting a Grukk model, but we get Grukk and his nobz instead.

a Start Collecting! orks bundle, though it seems to be lacking a Warboss.

And a few web bundles.

I'm impressed, GW!

On the new Zealand gw page it says the dredd mob is from the sanctum reach book, and the kill mob is from the ghaz supliment...funny.
Man, they are reAly pushing ork walkers aren't they. Too bad walkers are our least effective for points models we have.
If the orkurian was going to happen then nice rule buff would be all ork walker upgrades are free and all ork walkers cost 1/2 the price...

I think GW keeps pushing walkers on us is because they haven't actually played a game with them and learned how quickly they die.

They must be thinking "all we need to do is create a formation of walkers! That will increase sales for sure!" without considering that the walkers and the formation are crap.

Just like how flash gitz are in about every bundle there is.

Requizen wrote:
*cough*Space Marine Demi Company with mass ObSec and possible free vehicles*cough*

I didnt say that it wasnt good, i said you dont really want to take the core choice. Also the Demi Company is far more restrictive than the Necron one. I mean look at most SM Demi Companies. The have a tendency to look really similar. Look at competitive Necron lists. While a lot are running Canoptek Harvest, there is a fair amount of differentiation between lists.

geargutz wrote:
Just like how flash gitz are in about every bundle there is.

Yup, and they would be so much better if they actually had their 'ard Boy armor. That still rankles.

 Grimmor wrote:

Requizen wrote:
*cough*Space Marine Demi Company with mass ObSec and possible free vehicles*cough*

I didnt say that it wasnt good, i said you dont really want to take the core choice. Also the Demi Company is far more restrictive than the Necron one. I mean look at most SM Demi Companies. The have a tendency to look really similar. Look at competitive Necron lists. While a lot are running Canoptek Harvest, there is a fair amount of differentiation between lists.

geargutz wrote:
Just like how flash gitz are in about every bundle there is.

Yup, and they would be so much better if they actually had their 'ard Boy armor. That still rankles.

I'd rather have the ignores cover back on flash gitz. With the amount of 2+ cover I run into , it be more useful than armor

 Dakkafang Dreggrim wrote:
I'd rather have the ignores cover back on flash gitz. With the amount of 2+ cover I run into , it be more useful than armor

OMIGAWD YES!!! I loved my Ignores Cover Gitz, the Bane of Stealth Suits and MEQs, big reason i always ran a squad.

Interesting thing - the Codex is listed as sold out. Only Spanish and Italian versions are still available. There is also an Enhanced Edition for digital download.

Maybe it's a fluke, or they don't want people ordering it quite yet so they list it as sold out...if that make sense.
They have yet to add the kill m9b and dreddmob bundles on the site, so maybe it's a fluke....or us ork players are so desperate that we literally bought it all up....yep, that's probably what happened.

Can confirm that the Krushin' Krew has changed, if you look in this week's WD they have the preview pages and you can make out the words.

Krushin' Krew now gives you Rage on turn 2, Hatred turn 3, and Shred turn 4. Pretty sure Rage is new, since it used to be Furious Charge, right?

The other one's now called Goff Killmob, gives everyone Fear like it used to (I think) and all infantry in the formation get to re-roll charge distances.

I don't know whether the Killmob is any different, since I never got Sanctus Reach. Still, the fact that Krushin' Krew got changed (slightly) might indicate other formations being changed too.

 Dr. Delorean wrote:
Can confirm that the Krushin' Krew has changed, if you look in this week's WD they have the preview pages and you can make out the words.

Krushin' Krew now gives you Rage on turn 2, Hatred turn 3, and Shred turn 4. Pretty sure Rage is new, since it used to be Furious Charge, right?

The other one's now called Goff Killmob, gives everyone Fear like it used to (I think) and all infantry in the formation get to re-roll charge distances.

I don't know whether the Killmob is any different, since I never got Sanctus Reach. Still, the fact that Krushin' Krew got changed (slightly) might indicate other formations being changed too.

The Killmob hasn't changed. They just switched Grukk and his Skull Nobs for a regular Warboss with Nobs.

Yo, what's the "next week in WD" teaser? In my digital version there wasn't any...

Both of those formations are terrible. Keep 'em coming, GW.

At least they realized that Furious Charge on Gorkanauts didn't actually provide any benefit. That's progress. It's asking something to expect GW to read their own rules.