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I am planning on making some converted Storm Talons for a Suborbital strike wing. They are going to become hardwired servitor controlled Mechanicum drones. I realise that the rules only allow flyers from other FW publications but I believe it is still in keeping with the spirit of the rules and my friends I play with are pretty cool about such things as long as I make them look the part. I always make sure my opponents are happy before I field something like this and they will probably be mostly used in Apocalypse sized games where these kinda things seem a lot more acceptable.

Now the assault cannons have to go because they def didn't exist yet and Kheres... I feel like they should only be on Contemptors so i'm looking for some advice for replacement loadouts and points cost adjustment. I really like the versatility of the Assault cannons being good against infantry and being able to rend armour is great, but lacking that choice I feel I am going to have to go with a specific role either anti tank, anti infantry or air superiority. I don't want anything OP its more for the modeling opportunity and cool factor more than anything else but it would be good if they are viable on the battlefield as well.

So far I am liking the idea of TL Auto Cannons or Vulkite Culverins...but just because I think they will look cool they might be a really bad choice...Any thoughts?

Is this for Mechanicum 30k? I believe there are only three choices that can be taken for the Crusade Fleet entires. The Avenger, Lightning and the Arvus. The drones would have to represent one of those.

No the Suborbital strike wing allows you to take up to 3 flyers with less than 3 hull points or one with over 4 and it can be from any FW book. If it doesn't exist in the Heresy you can still use it to represent one of the countless (and many undocumented) peices of hardware in service in that era as long as you make it look the part. And as I wrote above I am stretching that rule to include a GW book whilst still keeping in the spirit of the rules. Then I am changing them again to get rid of the Assault cannons... pray I do not alter them further

Pretty sure that's only for super heavies, not any vehicle. I'll paste from the Redbook when I get home.

 foto69man wrote:
Pretty sure that's only for super heavies, not any vehicle. I'll paste from the Redbook when I get home.

It's on page 8, at the bottom of the list of Lord of War choices.

The thing is tho, this rule has changed in the Red book, from when it was 1st printed in the HH Book 1. In HH Book 1 you could take fliers from any IA book like he said.

As of the Red book, this now only let's you take extra fliers from your army list.

I sujest to the OP that he should invest in the new Red Book, because their were quite a few changes and updates that happened between it and Book 1.


Edit: Wait he is doing Mechanicum, I was reading from my Crusade Army list Red Book. The Sub-Orbital Stike Wing for Mechanicum is explained on page. 21.

The wording is exactly the same as the one in the Crusade Army book, were it no longer refers to being able to take fliers from any IA book. It now just lets you take 1-3 of the normal fliers your army has access to, as a lord of war choice. The MRB over rides all the rules from prior books, and is considered the most up-to date rules for the army unless anything in the latter campaign books adds to the list.

 Lockark wrote:

 foto69man wrote:
Pretty sure that's only for super heavies, not any vehicle. I'll paste from the Redbook when I get home.

It's on page 8, at the bottom of the list of Lord of War choices.

The thing is tho, this rule has changed in the Red book, from when it was 1st printed in the HH Book 1. In HH Book 1 you could take fliers from any IA book like he said.

As of the Red book, this now only let's you take extra fliers from your army list.

I sujest to the OP that he should invest in the new Red Book, because their were quite a few changes and updates that happened between it and Book 1.


Edit: Wait he is doing Mechanicum, I was reading from my Crusade Army list Red Book. The Sub-Orbital Stike Wing for Mechanicum is explained on page. 21.

The wording is exactly the same as the one in the Crusade Army book, were it no longer refers to being able to take fliers from any IA book. It now just lets you take 1-3 of the normal fliers your army has access to, as a lord of war choice. The MRB over rides all the rules from prior books, and is considered the most up-to date rules for the army unless anything in the latter campaign books adds to the list.

Are you talking about the Taghmata Army List? My one on page 21 clearly states "These flyers may not be chosen from those already available to the army list normally" Then the next box "Using Imperial Units from other FW books in HH games" Fleshes it out... maybe I am hallucinating?

From The Horus Heresy - Mechanicum Taghmata Army List, Pg 21, Para 4, Sub-orbital Strike Wing:

"1-3 flyers with up to 3 Hull Points each and of the same type or a single super-heavy flyer may be chosen to represent a Sub-orbitally launched strike force of fighters or bombers during Horus Heresy games. This wing of flyers arrives from reserves as a single unit. They must enter play from within 6" of the same chosen point on the table edge, but are treated as separate models during the course of the game. These flyers may not be chosen from those already available to the army list normally."

Pg 21, Para 5, Using Imperial units from other Forge World books in Horus Heresy games:

Yes, it's all there in a long, in depth para. But, it must be from the Forge World books, with no crew or commander upgrades except the two specified. Are Storm Talons in FW books? I am also curious about why the need to change up weapons systems? There must be a bunch of flyers in the numerous books that can be subbed in for this. Count them as Fire Raptors.



Mat

 combat engineer wrote:
From The Horus Heresy - Mechanicum Taghmata Army List, Pg 21, Para 4, Sub-orbital Strike Wing:

"1-3 flyers with up to 3 Hull Points each and of the same type or a single super-heavy flyer may be chosen to represent a Sub-orbitally launched strike force of fighters or bombers during Horus Heresy games. This wing of flyers arrives from reserves as a single unit. They must enter play from within 6" of the same chosen point on the table edge, but are treated as separate models during the course of the game. These flyers may not be chosen from those already available to the army list normally."

Pg 21, Para 5, Using Imperial units from other Forge World books in Horus Heresy games:

Yes, it's all there in a long, in depth para. But, it must be from the Forge World books, with no crew or commander upgrades except the two specified. Are Storm Talons in FW books? I am also curious about why the need to change up weapons systems? There must be a bunch of flyers in the numerous books that can be subbed in for this. Count them as Fire Raptors.



Mat

They only ForgeWorld book the Storm Talon is in is IA2 2e. And even then it is not a unit entry, it is a long fluff only entry along side the Stormraven.

So, I guess not.

I was asking for loadout not legal advice All relevant parties will be notified and will be in agreement before playing as I stated in my first post.

 combat engineer wrote:
From The Horus Heresy - Mechanicum Taghmata Army List, Pg 21, Para 4, Sub-orbital Strike Wing:

"1-3 flyers with up to 3 Hull Points each and of the same type or a single super-heavy flyer may be chosen to represent a Sub-orbitally launched strike force of fighters or bombers during Horus Heresy games. This wing of flyers arrives from reserves as a single unit. They must enter play from within 6" of the same chosen point on the table edge, but are treated as separate models during the course of the game. These flyers may not be chosen from those already available to the army list normally."

Pg 21, Para 5, Using Imperial units from other Forge World books in Horus Heresy games:

Yes, it's all there in a long, in depth para. But, it must be from the Forge World books, with no crew or commander upgrades except the two specified. Are Storm Talons in FW books? I am also curious about why the need to change up weapons systems? There must be a bunch of flyers in the numerous books that can be subbed in for this. Count them as Fire Raptors.



Mat

I'm counting them as Storm Talons, its completely in keeping with the spirit of the rule (apart from changing the weapon system) which is to represent any of the vast number of aerial units in service during the HH. And besides there is no evidence that I can find that says Storm Talons were not about during the Heresy and most of the designs in use in 40k date back to even before then. I'm using Storm Talons because those are the models that I am converting as I think they will make bad ass hardwired servitor controlled drones. I am changing the assault cannons because they were not in use during the HH.

I am out. Have fun.