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With the addition of the Skullreaver (6's to hit are StrD) is the D-thirster still the best one to run? Striking at I1 is kinda lame. Having that many attacks is a pretty good chance to roll at least one 6....at Initiative 9. A lesser Thrister with Skullreaver is only 5pts more than a D-Thirster and both have the same stats and options.

Any thoughts?

The d thirster has way higher potential damage output. Skull reaver has to roll a 6 to be str d, which also has to roll a 6 or possibly be denied by invulnerable saves. It's a lot less reliable once you get it to combat vs. Things that really need the d.

I think it's not much of a question which is better. They're suited for different tasks. I think the intent of skull reaver is to allow a herald to decapitate tough characters in challenges that have a good invulnerable save and many wounds, whereas the d thirster shines against super heavies and gargantuans, or multiple wound high Toughness units. Skull reaver can be useful in situations where you find yourself being charged by a dreadnought or you're forced to go against some armour to clear an objective.

Hold on... can it even be put on a herald?

An actual D-thirster is better. A bloodthirster only has like 6 attacks meaning you'll only get like 1 D attack. Thats just not impressive. You should already be buffing the heck out of your BT with Grimoire or Invisibilty so that it actually makes it to combat so being at i1 shouldn't matter

I don't think Heralds can take the Skullreaver. I really thought this would be a toss up. There are multiple player in my area that have had no success with the D-thirster because he never gets to attack.

1-in-6 change to D seems better than no chances to attack at all. Oh, well

Honestly it seems almost useless entirely if a herald can't take it, in my opinion.

AncientSkarbrand wrote:
Honestly it seems almost useless entirely if a herald can't take it, in my opinion.

Heralds can't take it

Heralds can't take it. I was so mad as it would have let my herald in a hound squad more consistently able to take walkers.

If you are running a D Thirster, you have to build your list around it. That means Belakor and/or the Grimoire. 2x Greater Gifts is too random to rely on keeping him alive. My D Thirster rarely dies and does work. He always has invisibility, shrouding, or Grimoire on him though every turn.

I just don't understand that. It wouldn't be overpowered to allow heralds to take it. What the feth. It also is a large points investment to bump up a herald and his unit's main weaknesses in cc, and still isn't even that reliable against anything with an invulnerable save.

How disappointing. The instant I saw the relic rules I thought it was almost designed with a herald in mind, as seems like quite little benefit to a dp or thirster.

I knew there would be a catch to the skullreaver. I'd rather take the Dthirster.

I would take the Skullreaver on a Daemon Prince, but if you want the D on a Thirster, might as well take the DThirster.

I guess my main reason for wanting to do this is because I own a 60mm based Thirster. Can I even say that is a D-thirster or do I need to get the stupid, overly big for no reason $115 model? Cuz that's not happening. I put a lot of work into my Thirster conversion:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ouq-sYpHTyQ/Uop8kPxN1oI/AAAAAAAAA8M/XdtYTMICwis/s1600/Bloodthirster.jpg

He has since been rebased onto just the 60mm round, since I no longer needed the square base

 Galef wrote:
I guess my main reason for wanting to do this is because I own a 60mm based Thirster. Can I even say that is a D-thirster or do I need to get the stupid, overly big for no reason $115 model? Cuz that's not happening. I put a lot of work into my Thirster conversion:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ouq-sYpHTyQ/Uop8kPxN1oI/AAAAAAAAA8M/XdtYTMICwis/s1600/Bloodthirster.jpg

He has since been rebased onto just the 60mm round, since I no longer needed the square base

He looks like a Demon Prince in a Halloween costume. :3

 raverrn wrote:

 Galef wrote:
I guess my main reason for wanting to do this is because I own a 60mm based Thirster. Can I even say that is a D-thirster or do I need to get the stupid, overly big for no reason $115 model? Cuz that's not happening. I put a lot of work into my Thirster conversion:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ouq-sYpHTyQ/Uop8kPxN1oI/AAAAAAAAA8M/XdtYTMICwis/s1600/Bloodthirster.jpg

He has since been rebased onto just the 60mm round, since I no longer needed the square base

He looks like a Demon Prince in a Halloween costume. :3

You just made my day.

You're going to be charging into terrain anyway, so you're still going at I1 regardless. Might as well ensure all your attacks are str D. You're going to wreck face against chaff regardless if you're str D or not, but against something like the lych star shere Str D is about the only way of actually removing any of them, then you want every attack to deny RP and have a chance at just flat out removing a model. Against SH/GMC's, you'd do OK, but again, you're going to be charging into terrain due to toe in cover, so why not ensure that all hits are str D rather than just 6's?

Besides, the D-Thirster can take the Armour of Scorn, and -1 Str to stuff trying to wound you is pretty win.

Ah snap, I shoulda thought of the Dthirster taking the armor of scorn and skull reaver on the prince. Though the prince could use the scorn more but it does really make the D thirster so much more survivable. Or I could just take two Thirsters.

Or with all the grav around is armor just a bad idea for daemons now? Can we get our Thirsters into combat without stinking psykers? Void shield generator to start and move up 12", allied CSM with legacy tank for +1 invul and obliterators in Dreadclaw cuz I like those too?