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The lead has flipped so many times in the last few minutes that any regular bloke trying to guess the result may as well flip a coin.

Leave took the lead again. This one is going down to the wire. I think whatever happens, if we're genuinely looking at 1% either way, we're going to have a fair bit of strife. If it's 1% in favour of leave, the Government will try and ignore it, and if it;'s 1% the other way, the Government will be saying, 'Whelp, you all voted, you lost, shut up now' with no material acknowledgement of how close it came or change (which will piss a lot of people off).

One thing I do know is that if the vote is to leave, the SNP will be rubbing their hands in glee. They're desperate for any excuse to hold another referendum.

Like I said a page or two back, my fear is extremists taking to the streets. I personally hope that such an occurrence has been planned for, especially come a 1% or tighter result.

 Ketara wrote:
Leave took the lead again. This one is going down to the wire. I think whatever happens, if we're genuinely looking at 1% either way, we're going to have a fair bit of strife. If it's 1% in favour of leave, the Government will try and ignore it, and if it;'s 1% the other way, the Government will be saying, 'Whelp, you all voted, you lost, shut up now' with no material acknowledgement of how close it came or change (which will piss a lot of people off).

One thing I do know is that if the vote is to leave, the SNP will be rubbing their hands in glee. They're desperate for any excuse to hold another referendum.

To be fair, they'll also be rubbing their hands with glee if it's Remain with that narrow a margin, because nothing's likely to curdle public opinion of the UK up here faster than a bunch of tone-deaf English tabloid journos bleating endlessly about the "blahdy sweatees" sinking Glorious Britannia's graceful and just exit from the corrupt and constraining Continental Beast

 Yodhrin wrote:
Liverpool goes Remain, but the turnout is only 64% o_0

Forgive my ignorance, but, what were you expecting ? Is Liverpool famous for being in the "Remain" side ? 64% is a lot, isn't it ?

 godardc wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
Liverpool goes Remain, but the turnout is only 64% o_0

What were you expecting ? Is Liverpool famous for being in the "Remain" side ? 64% is a lot, isn't it ?

Liverpool's quite an internationalist and socialist city, so remain was pretty much a given, 64% is low compared to the UK wide turnout in this vote.

The current totals are 49.9% Remain, 50.1% Leave.

Usually I stay up till there's a clear winner then have a sleep either content, or feeling begrudged. Instead I'll have to leave the fallout till mid-lunch. :(

Leave is ahead by 300K, a 51/49 split.

Edinburgh alone should almost eliminate that lead for the moment, but the worrying thing is we're starting to see more places where the Leave result was much higher than forecast, and Sheffield has gone Leave by 6K votes(51/49%).

I think 51/49 Leave is odds-on. Scotland meanwhile is on course for 65/35 Remain.

EDIT: Ayup, Edinburgh goes Remain by over 120K votes.

Any info on the age range of voters?

Not to say that they dictate all votes, but old folk tend to be more ..."conservative".

Read that as me sitting in on social dances and whenever the topic of the referendum was brought up, oh the racism.

There is talks about an old vs young issue, with young people being more accustomed to 'internationalism' as opposed to old people.

It also depend on education. University leavers are supposed to be remainers.

My own personal experience is an almost overwhelming majority of 'remain' voters are young people. I can't comment on why, as the ones I've seen haven't stated their reasoning so much as just regurgitated the same "eww, leave" comments over and over again, but I'm sure they had their reasons.

 welshhoppo wrote:
It also depend on education. University leavers are supposed to be remainers.

There is no denying the trend.

Leave has a 530,000 lead now. Whilst it's still early days, that's enough of a lead it'll take some shaking off.

I dunno, that graph rather destroys the "damn, half the people in the UK are uneducated idiots" claim I saw when Leave pulled ahead early. It looks to be closer to 80%.

That's yer narrow, atavistic, chauvinist Scottish Nationalism there, somehow resulting in the most internationalist, pro-EU part of the UK even above multicultural London. Rock eyebrow gif goes here.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That's yer narrow, atavistic, chauvinist Scottish Nationalism there, somehow resulting in the most internationalist, pro-EU part of the UK even above multicultural London.

I wasn't sure which one you wanted, so have several.

 Yodhrin wrote:
That's yer narrow, atavistic, chauvinist Scottish Nationalism there, somehow resulting in the most internationalist, pro-EU part of the UK even above multicultural London. Rock eyebrow gif goes here.

Yes yes, Scotland is better than England, haggis all the way, screw the Tory pigs, etc.

Meanwhile, we're about halfway through now, and Leave still have that half a million majority. Starting to look a little dicey for the remainers, this next half needs to go exceptionally well for them. Just wiping out the Leave lead isn't enough, they need to build one of their own.

What a shame I have no more money to spend on FW models, the exchange rate is better with every vote for the Leave.
More seriously, are you worrying now that the Leave seems to be really strong ?

Really happy that Manchester declared Remain, although turnout was not as expected and the % was not as high.

Still, I'm proud. Hoping Derby (my home town) is Remain. Not optimistic though.

ITV reports 80% victory for Leave and I'm inclined to agree. I just pray and hope that people who complain actually voted.

Personally, I'd question anybody who isn't worrying regardless of the outcome. There's so much that's just up in the air, and so much that's been dislodged by this whole charade, that anyone who's perfectly calm is suspect.

 Avatar 720 wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That's yer narrow, atavistic, chauvinist Scottish Nationalism there, somehow resulting in the most internationalist, pro-EU part of the UK even above multicultural London.

I wasn't sure which one you wanted, so have several.

My thanks

 Ketara wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
That's yer narrow, atavistic, chauvinist Scottish Nationalism there, somehow resulting in the most internationalist, pro-EU part of the UK even above multicultural London. Rock eyebrow gif goes here.

Yes yes, Scotland is better than England, haggis all the way, screw the Tory pigs, etc.

Meanwhile, we're about halfway through now, and Leave still have that half a million majority. Starting to look a little dicey for the remainers, this next half needs to go exceptionally well for them. Just wiping out the Leave lead isn't enough, they need to build one of their own.

Just to be 100% clear - that was a bit of banter based on the irritatingly common perception of nats/the SNP, not a serious "haw haw, we're pure dead brilliant compared to them English fethers".

EDIT: And yes, the resilience of that Leave margin is becoming ever more worrying.

 godardc wrote:
What a shame I have no more money to spend on FW models, the exchange rate is better with every vote for the Leave.
More seriously, are you worrying now that the Leave seems to be really strong ?

Yes. It's going to be a disaster. The EU does so much more than the Leave campaign has let on. I wouldn't be surprised to see costs go up to cover the losses.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 godardc wrote:
What a shame I have no more money to spend on FW models, the exchange rate is better with every vote for the Leave.
More seriously, are you worrying now that the Leave seems to be really strong ?

Yes. It's going to be a disaster. The EU does so much more than the Leave campaign has let on. I wouldn't be surprised to see costs go up to cover the losses.

Such as?

I'm just curious about all the details. It seems to effect europeans and the british the most. I'm sure it'll effect the USA too but this seems to be a much bigger deal for all of you.

Why Remain and why Leave? What are the pros and cons for both? I'm curious to hear but something tells me it's been answered earlier in this thread somewhere. If i could get a rundown of all the best points for both i'd be happy.

 Yodhrin wrote:


Just to be 100% clear - that was a bit of banter based on the irritatingly common perception of nats/the SNP, not a serious "haw haw, we're pure dead brilliant compared to them English fethers".

Righty-ho,miscommunication then. Not to worry.

And we've had another million and a half or so votes roll in since my last post, and the majority remains intact. I'm starting to think this might actually be a 1% victory for leave, or a direct 50/50 tie. We're in for a rough week if so.

 Ashiraya wrote:

 welshhoppo wrote:
It also depend on education. University leavers are supposed to be remainers.

There is no denying the trend.

Maybe but perhaps the lower class people have more reason to want to leave (lower class as in poor). If you're well educated maybe you have more money and more reason to stay. There may be more to it. More data could be required i think. Perhaps a graph based on personal or family income matters as well.

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm just curious about all the details. It seems to effect europeans and the british the most. I'm sure it'll effect the USA too but this seems to be a much bigger deal for all of you.

Why Remain and why Leave? What are the pros and cons for both? I'm curious to hear but something tells me it's been answered earlier in this thread somewhere. If i could get a rundown of all the best points for both i'd be happy.

If you're a devout ideologue of remain, it's because leave are all racist facist morons and the EU protects us against all ill in the world (from war to famine) whilst being the progressive way of the future. If you're the opposite number, then you think Remain is a bunch of snotty, selfish traitors willing to sell their soul for a cheaper ipod and leaving will kick out all the immigrants and make Britain great again.

Meanwhile, everyone else in the middle as far as I can ascertain either has had enough of EU becoming increasingly federalised and worries about democratic accountability, or they think things function well enough as they are and there's no need to rock the boat economically.

Yet another million in and no change. Remain must be sweating.

 cincydooley wrote:

 Frozocrone wrote:

 godardc wrote:
What a shame I have no more money to spend on FW models, the exchange rate is better with every vote for the Leave.
More seriously, are you worrying now that the Leave seems to be really strong ?

Yes. It's going to be a disaster. The EU does so much more than the Leave campaign has let on. I wouldn't be surprised to see costs go up to cover the losses.

Such as?

The UK does it's main business with the world by bargaining off the services of other EU countries. If we vote out, we literally have nothing to offer to the world. The USA, China and other trading superpowers, including the EU have made this clear - the UK by itself is not high on the list of countries people want to trade with.

While in the EU, we get free healthcare from other EU states, easier to travel between EU countries.

There are also a number of laws that protect our environment, rights, jobs which came from the EU.

Side note - the pound has dropped, which makes importing goods even more difficult, so people will be having to pay more to cover the costs that businesses used to import goods.


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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
I'm just curious about all the details. It seems to effect europeans and the british the most. I'm sure it'll effect the USA too but this seems to be a much bigger deal for all of you.

Why Remain and why Leave? What are the pros and cons for both? I'm curious to hear but something tells me it's been answered earlier in this thread somewhere. If i could get a rundown of all the best points for both i'd be happy.

You'll get very different answers depending on whether you asked a Remainer or a Leaver.

The evidence for me points towards Remain being the best option. Serious reform would have been needed though.

EDIT: The general jist of it is the most Leavers concerns were about Immigration, most Remainers concerns were about the Economy.