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Camerons resignation:

'You can pull the trigger on article 50, I'm off'.

Woah, that was...

UK has broken off. Wonder who is next?

Greece? Italy. Spain or Portugal?

Netherlands will probably be next?

Well, Greece breaking off would actually be better for the EU than it is for them.

This just popped to mind

Ghanima Atreides wrote:
History is written on the sands of Arrakis shores of Britannia. One chapter has ended, swept away by the whirlwind. One door has closed, but another has opened, and on the other side, our future.

In all seriousness though, I see Britains role in the world as almost some kind of postitive combination of Petyr Baelish and Varys...

 jhe90 wrote:
Woah, that was...

UK has broken off. Wonder who is next?

Greece? Italy. Spain or Portugal?

Portugal? Fat chance of that tbh.

 LethalShade wrote:
Well, Greece breaking off would actually be better for the EU than it is for them.

But this is one of the core arguments against the EU as it is:
The rush to the single currency indirectly led to Greece becoming a financial blackhole which the EU insists it needs to prop up. The Greek crisis was spurred by the EU turning a blind eye to its own regulations regarding government levels of debt as a proportion of GDP.

Greece cannot exit the Euro and stay part of the EU - Its a binding agreement.

The EU has to keep Greece in, in order to save face.

Eh. Probably. France might even leave if those far-right donkey-caves win the next elections and stick to their promises.

Donald & Boris ftw!

Whew! There's a lot of catching up I did (and still more to do)! I didn't realize this was going on until my mom mentioned it today.

Being someone with (currently) limited information on the referendum, I'm not sure if I can really give meaningful commentary. If someone could point me to an infographic or something talking about the pros and cons of leaving/staying, it would be well appreciated.

One thing that occurs to me: Now that Britain has left, will this not create a domino effect of other countries leaving the EU, thus rendering the whole of Europe in economic troubles? Maybe there will be a return to isolationism for the various countries?

Other than that, I wish Britain best wishes in your long, uncertain journey ahead!
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...and I hope you don't mind if I raid some Forge World stuff while they're cheap(er).

Ginjitzu wrote:
Donald & Boris ftw!

Is Ireland going to remain part of the UK? I know you guys voted remain, alongside Scotland, and I know Scotland will have another IndiRef. But what's happening over there?


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 Dr. Temujin wrote:
Whew! There's a lot of catching up I did (and still more to do)! I didn't realize this was going on until my mom mentioned it today.

Being someone with (currently) limited information on the referendum, I'm not sure if I can really give meaningful commentary. If someone could point me to an infographic or something talking about the pros and cons of leaving/staying, it would be well appreciated.

One thing that occurs to me: Now that Britain has left, will this not create a domino effect of other countries leaving the EU, thus rendering the whole of Europe in economic troubles? Maybe there will be a return to isolationism for the various countries?

Other than that, I wish Britain best wishes in your long, uncertain journey ahead!
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...and I hope you don't mind if I raid some Forge World stuff while they're cheap(er).

If it works, France supposedly might leave, providing FN get in and force a Referendum. From there, who knows.

 LethalShade wrote:
far-right donkey-caves [...] stick to their promises.

An optimist... I like that

All those remainers from tvtropes who abused me in the past are having a collective meltdown. It's hilarious, and deeply satisfying.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/sp-says-uk-to-lose-top-credit-rating-after-vote-to-leave-the-eu-reports-a7099581.html


.. oh good.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

"EU referendum: Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result"

.. and so it begins.

Gotta make sure the rich got their money back first right ?

On the plus side we get a new PM -- and we don't even have to have an election.

 Dr. Temujin wrote:

Being someone with (currently) limited information on the referendum, I'm not sure if I can really give meaningful commentary. If someone could point me to an infographic or something talking about the pros and cons of leaving/staying, it would be well appreciated.

No such thing.

Or rather, each camp fabricates his own.

The vote largely went along the lines of "enough immigrants, let's get our sovereignity back" vs "being in a multinational union is better for our future economic outcome".

You can clearly see which argument makes it easier to prompt people into action.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/robin-lustig/eu-referendum-result_b_10648416.html?utm_hp_ref=uk

... whoa whoa whoa .... was there a second ballot I missed ?


TBF this goes someway towards explaining why our American members might not quite twig what's been going on.

Ahhh Fox. You dopes. UN is a different organisation lol

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/sp-says-uk-to-lose-top-credit-rating-after-vote-to-leave-the-eu-reports-a7099581.html


.. oh good.

Brilliant Our money is worth less and our government may have to pay more interest on its loans. A nice double wammy

I'd be damned surprised if the average Fox regular viewer really knows the difference between the EU and the UN...

Some questions for you, Brits:
How long will it be before the result of the referendum is brought into your parliament for discussion?
Is there any possibility for early elections?
What will happen if the parliament (old or new) decides not to file the leaving papers?

 reds8n wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

"EU referendum: Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result"

.. and so it begins.

Holy gak. That is just ridiculous.

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/sp-says-uk-to-lose-top-credit-rating-after-vote-to-leave-the-eu-reports-a7099581.html


.. oh good.

Brilliant Our money is worth less and our government may have to pay more interest on its loans. A nice double wammy

Not our fault. The loathsome parasites in the financial sector had been gambling on the UK remaining in the EU. Just need to wait for the headless chicken phase to pass now.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

Not our fault. The loathsome parasites in the financial sector had been gambling on the UK remaining in the EU. Just need to wait for the headless chicken phase to pass now.

A 10% drop isn't likely to 'pass' anytime soon. Brace yourselves, the pound is in for a wild ride.

 motyak wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

"EU referendum: Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result"

.. and so it begins.

Holy gak. That is just ridiculous.

Holy gak thats just dishonest.

Farage was associated with Leave.UK not Vote Leave.
Farage denied making such promises with Vote Leave - which is accurate.
This is someone elses promise to keep, and shouldn't be laid at Farages door.
Labour made promises too, had remain won would Cameron have to keep them?

 CoreCommander wrote:
Some questions for you, Brits:
How long will it be before the result of the referendum is brought into your parliament for discussion?
Is there any possibility for early elections?
What will happen if the parliament (old or new) decides not to file the leaving papers?

October is when the legal procedings of seperating from the EU will begin.
There probably won't be any elections, just votes for the Conservatives electing a new leader to lead the separation proceedings.
There are no papers as such. What this is, is a decision by the people. It's not legally binding, unlike Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. The government in charge can choose to ignore the result of this. But doing so, especially when Cameron has just said that it needs to be respected, is political suicide.

 Frozocrone wrote:

 CoreCommander wrote:
Some questions for you, Brits:
How long will it be before the result of the referendum is brought into your parliament for discussion?
Is there any possibility for early elections?
What will happen if the parliament (old or new) decides not to file the leaving papers?

October is when the legal procedings of seperating from the EU will begin.
There probably won't be any elections, just votes for the Conservatives electing a new leader to lead the separation proceedings.
There are no papers as such. What this is, is a decision by the people. It's not legally binding, unlike Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. The government in charge can choose to ignore the result of this. But doing so, especially when Cameron has just said that it needs to be respected, is political suicide.

Thanks! I was referring to Article 50 as the leaving papers - thanks for the answers.

 motyak wrote:

 reds8n wrote:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-referendum-result-nigel-farage-nhs-pledge-disowns-350-million-pounds-a7099906.html

"EU referendum: Nigel Farage disowns Vote Leave '£350m for the NHS' pledge hours after result"

.. and so it begins.

Holy gak. That is just ridiculous.

Not really, he's not even an MP.

Farage has campaigned for Britons to vote leave, he has no governmental power to implement anything (thankfully).

The only reason he's kept cropping up in the referendum is that the Media and In campaigns foolishly kept inviting him in to debates thinking he'd make a show of himself. A bit of a folly that as he is ridiculously well verse in the EU/leave issues more so than the actual ministers rolled out to debate with him.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 A Town Called Malus wrote:

 reds8n wrote:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/sp-says-uk-to-lose-top-credit-rating-after-vote-to-leave-the-eu-reports-a7099581.html


.. oh good.

Brilliant Our money is worth less and our government may have to pay more interest on its loans. A nice double wammy

Not our fault. The loathsome parasites in the financial sector had been gambling on the UK remaining in the EU. Just need to wait for the headless chicken phase to pass now.

Yep, and as BaronIveagh indicates it wont end soon. but it will end.

The UK economy is stable, the instability comes from those who want to make a quick buck on speculation. This will be bad for imports and our tourists good for exports and foreign tourists and will even out remarkably quickly. It wont be over very soon, but if Leave has any benefits to offer they will far outweigh the immediate consequences of the market speculators. Thing is, does Leave offer any long term benefits, only time will tell.

As for the speculators themselves, if they guess wrong and lose money, tough on them.

Compared to yesterday, my Facebook is full of angry bigots who think everyone who voted leave was a racist oap.


I never actually expected leave to win, but I did expect Cameron to resign if they did. Now we just need to count the cost.