EU referendum June 23rd

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**Rosebuddy**

Frozocrone wrote:
The government in charge can choose to ignore the result of this. But doing so, especially when Cameron has just said that it needs to be respected, is political suicide.

Well, okay, that doesn't seem so bad a consequence. I bet they can dig up a bunch of people who'll agree to never be elected politicians again in return for some cushy consultant job somewhere.

**Silent Puffin?**

Gibraltar is heading for some really bad times....or perhaps rejoining Spain.

I don't see how the Irish border can remain open when it becomes a frontier to the EU. I don't think that there will be a united Ireland for years though, unionism runs extremely deep there.

**Kilkrazy**

CoreCommander wrote:
Some questions for you, Brits:
How long will it be before the result of the referendum is brought into your parliament for discussion?

It's being discussed behind closed doors now. I expect it will get to the floor of the house in a few weeks.

Is there any possibility for early elections?

It doesn't look likely. The head Leavers have asked Cameron not to resign immediately and he has said he will stand down by October. There is no particular reason for a vote of no confidence unless the majority of MPs, who are Remainers, feel there should be an election before the process of Outing is to begin.

What will happen if the parliament (old or new) decides not to file the leaving papers?

1. The UK remains part of the EU.
2. Riots? I don't know. I don't think civil unrest would result. There would be an upswell of opinion against the government but given the relatively narrow margin of victory it might not constitute an overwhelming force.

**A Town Called Malus**

Kilkrazy wrote:
CoreCommander wrote:
Some questions for you, Brits:
How long will it be before the result of the referendum is brought into your parliament for discussion?

It's being discussed behind closed doors now. I expect it will get to the floor of the house in a few weeks.

Is there any possibility for early elections?

It doesn't look likely. The head Leavers have asked Cameron not to resign immediately and he has said he will stand down by October. There is no particular reason for a vote of no confidence unless the majority of MPs, who are Remainers, feel there should be an election before the process of Outing is to begin.

What will happen if the parliament (old or new) decides not to file the leaving papers?

1. The UK remains part of the EU.
2. Riots? I don't know. I don't think civil unrest would result. There would be an upswell of opinion against the government but given the relatively narrow margin of victory it might not constitute an overwhelming force.

And a period of declining economy in the meantime could lead people to reevaluate their votes as they may have bought into the sunshine and rainbows outlook painted by some of the Leave campaign. To find out that Remain were actually telling the truth that it would be bad (at least in the short term) could sour opinions and pull some people back over to remain.

**jhe90**

Gibralter survived pre EU, it survived pre many European events.

Things can be worked out.
Article 50, this process cannot be rushed anything will take time to file, to make work and to calculate.

**Kilkrazy**

Once Article 50 is invoked the process becomes irrevocable so it would be a good idea to get all our ducks in a row before pulling that trigger.

The head Leavers themselves have said the decision shouldn't be rushed.

**angelofvengeance**

Don't think Gibraltar will go anywhere. Spain is kidding themselves lol.

**jouso**

Old men shaping the future of the youth.

**welshhoppo**

Agreed. People are acting like the sky has fallen and the world is on fire.

It takes two years to leave the Euro, and I have no doubt that it will manage to cock up more along the way and convince people that leaving was right.

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jouso wrote:

Old men shaping the future of the youth.

More Young people should have voted then, it's their own bloody fault.

**A Town Called Malus**

jhe90 wrote:
Gibralter survived pre EU, it survived pre many European events.

Things can be worked out.
Article 50, this process cannot be rushed anything will take time to file, to make work and to calculate.

I'm sure things worked in the past. That doesn't mean they will work in the future. Things have changed, after all. The last time Gibraltar wasn't in the EU, Spain was still ruled by Franco, for example.

**kb_lock**

Without fear mongering, did we just watch the death of Britain?

Scotland wanted to stay in the eu, which is why they stayed in gb, that would absolutely be cause for a new referendum for them.

Scotland leaves, union jack changes.

Australia/new Zealand need new flags, take the opportunity to vote for a republic?

Doesn't bother me, but God damn in going to spend up a storm on fw soon

**jouso**

A Town Called Malus wrote:
jhe90 wrote:
Gibralter survived pre EU, it survived pre many European events.

Things can be worked out.
Article 50, this process cannot be rushed anything will take time to file, to make work and to calculate.

I'm sure things worked in the past. That doesn't mean they will work in the future. Things have changed, after all. The last time Gibraltar wasn't in the EU, Spain was still ruled by Franco, for example.

Gibraltar will survive. Gibraltarians have clearly spoken whenever they've been asked.

Their economy, though, faces some serious challenges.

A lot of young Gibraltarians have been forced out of the rock because of high housing prices. Once Gibraltarians don't have automatic residency status, free healthcare and they have to cross a proper border at least twice a day it will have an impact.

They voted something like 96% remain for a reason.

**A Town Called Malus**

welshhoppo wrote:

jouso wrote:

Old men shaping the future of the youth.

More Young people should have voted then, it's their own bloody fault.

Where are you getting that a lot of young people didn't vote?

Less than one third of the UK's total population falls within that 18 to 39 age band which voted Remain. 49% of the UK's population is in the 40+ age band who predominantly voted Leave.

The maths doesn't favour Remain, even if they did go out and vote.

**welshhoppo**

I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

This just reeks of trying to find someone to blame.

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

Out of curiosity, are there any numbers on the % of people in the 18-29 and 30-39 age brackets that voted?

**welshhoppo**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

Out of curiosity, are there any numbers on the % of people in the 18-29 and 30-39 age brackets that voted?

Not that I know of, but I have been having a look around. The general rule of thumb is that old people vote more than younger ones. And considering many of the university cities had low remain votes, it shows they didn't vote as much as they could.

**jouso**

welshhoppo wrote:

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

The Scots have a point, though.

Part of the remain (in the UK) vote revolved around Scots being unable to remain in the EU if they set out on their own. Yesterday vote changes everything.

**A Town Called Malus**

welshhoppo wrote:
Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

Out of curiosity, are there any numbers on the % of people in the 18-29 and 30-39 age brackets that voted?

Not that I know of, but I have been having a look around. The general rule of thumb is that old people vote more than younger ones. And considering many of the university cities had low remain votes, it shows they didn't vote as much as they could.

Or that students are not in those cities as term is over so many have gone home.

**ALEXisAWESOME**

welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

This just reeks of trying to find someone to blame.

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

We have an aging population, so even if 100% of youths voted the demographic would still be skewed. I firmly believe this vote should've been opened to 16-17 year olds via optional application, similar to the Scottish referendum. It wouldn't fix the scales but it'd help.

**jhe90**

Several cities and locations expected to be remain bastians and hold things for them went leave or where pretty close.

Seems leave mobilised support better?

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

jouso wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

The Scots have a point, though.

Part of the remain (in the UK) vote revolved around Scots being unable to remain in the EU if they set out on their own. Yesterday vote changes everything.

This was predicted a few months ago, and the Scot PM has been hinting at this for a while - the situation in Northern Ireland will also be very sensitive.

**jouso**

jhe90 wrote:

Seems leave mobilised support better?

Indeed.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/brexit-follows-close-run-campaign/

Higher participation than expected on pro-Brexit vs lower in the remain camp.

Perhaps remain proponents were calmed by polls forecasting they were up.

**welshhoppo**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
jouso wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

The Scots have a point, though.

Part of the remain (in the UK) vote revolved around Scots being unable to remain in the EU if they set out on their own. Yesterday vote changes everything.

This was predicted a few months ago, and the Scot PM has been hinting at this for a while - the situation in Northern Ireland will also be very sensitive.

I think Northern Ireland will be okay, the border controls were around before the EU was.

Personally, I think everyone in Scotland should move to London, then we will just cut you loose and let you float around in the North Sea like a very wet Venice.

**Lithlandis Stormcrow**

The question here is - wouldn't N.Ireland prefer to unify with Ireland and skip the borders altogether, though?

I admit I don't know the Ireland/N.Ireland situation in-depth but that would seem like a plausible way to go, much like the Scottish trying to get independence.

**Kilkrazy**

welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

This just reeks of trying to find someone to blame.

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

I don't think we need a second referendum. We need a period of calm to allow the planning and negotiations around the process of exiting. I think we need a general election to bring in a government that genuinely can support the process. More than half the current MPs are Remainers, and the official government position was to remain. These people can't in conscience carry out the negotiations and decisions.

**jouso**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
The question here is - wouldn't N.Ireland prefer to unify with Ireland and skip the borders altogether, though?

I admit I don't know the Ireland/N.Ireland situation in-depth but that would seem like a plausible way to go, much like the Scottish trying to get independence.

I suspect this issue is still divided along ethnoreligious lines.

It's one thing to be in the EU but a unified Ireland is a whole different thing. They were putting bombs and machine-gunning people until pretty much yesterday over there.

**welshhoppo**

Lithlandis Stormcrow wrote:
The question here is - wouldn't N.Ireland prefer to unify with Ireland and skip the borders altogether, though?

I admit I don't know the Ireland/N.Ireland situation in-depth but that would seem like a plausible way to go, much like the Scottish trying to get independence.

I highly doubt it. It took them long enough to stop killing each other over it, it has only been a few years of relative peace.

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Kilkrazy wrote:
welshhoppo wrote:
I said it because I've seen a lot of people crying over the fact that "old people are deciding the fate of our nation and they will be dead soon." If you are that concerned about old people ruining your life, you need to head out and vote yourself.

This just reeks of trying to find someone to blame.

Also, has anyone else seen the petition for a second referendum? I thought it was complete bollocks.

I don't think we need a second referendum. We need a period of calm to allow the planning and negotiations around the process of exiting. I think we need a general election to bring in a government that genuinely can support the process. More than half the current MPs are Remainers, and the official government position was to remain. These people can't in conscience carry out the negotiations and decisions.

+1

**Kilkrazy**

jouso wrote:
jhe90 wrote:

Seems leave mobilised support better?

Indeed.

https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/06/24/brexit-follows-close-run-campaign/

Higher participation than expected on pro-Brexit vs lower in the remain camp.

Perhaps remain proponents were calmed by polls forecasting they were up.

Voter turnout in London was 2% lower than the rest of the country, possibly due to very bad weather with serious storms and localised flooding.

(Source = The Evening Standard.)

Better weather wouldn't have changed the final result but it would have made the margin closer, since Londoners voted by a wide margin to Remain.

**Da krimson barun**

In regards to N.Ireland: they will definitely not join us unless Scotland leaves the UK. Then they will probably join us because they are more Scottish then English, and more Irish then Scottish.

**welshhoppo**

It looks like the sterling is rising against the Euro and Dollar again.

That will teach the markets for banking too much on one side of a campaign.