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 Brennonjw wrote:

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
The best part of 30K is mostly NO pysphic phase at all.

daemons
word bearers
thousand sons

Technically one of those isn't out yet.

But generally yes, there are very few psykers. And good riddance if I'm honest.

Except against 40K, prepare to lose every psychic phase, unless you have Lorgar.

Lorgar OP.

Lorgar Transfigured is gold.

Makes me excited for Magnus. And I swear, if he is the same ML or lower then lorgar I propose we all riot.

I've played a lot against 40k armies. It's been pretty balanced. I've had my games go both ways. Honestly I don't see how folks see a problem.

 Brennonjw wrote:
Makes me excited for Magnus. And I swear, if he is the same ML or lower then lorgar I propose we all riot.

For Magnus, I would say the same I said about the Emperor in that thread: Magnus's psychic might should probably be represented in some other way than the usual psychic powers, much like how the Navigators work.

ickz wrote:
I played my 40k Ad-Mech War Convo against 30k Iron Warriors with Perturabo (he told me to take the War Convo as he thought I would need it to compete with the Primarch). 2000 pts.

The game was a bit one-sided in my Ad-Mech's favor. One thing that is the bane of 30k legion armies I feel is Grav. He had a 20 man blob and Perturabo sitting in a Spartan. Sadly for him, my grav immobilized it turn 1, so they were left footslogging. Thanks to that Perturabo didn't see too much combat and the rest of the game went strongly in my favor.

But that's true of 30K Mechanicum as well, who have access to all the 30K Grav weapons plus the Grav Imploder(4 shot[well technically salvo 2/4, but everything that takes it is Relentless] 18" range grav cannon with Concussive).

And for the Warsmith who thinks the Mechanicum would struggle with anti-horde, mate, you should see what happens when Irradiation Engine Myrmidon Destructors do their thing.

Overall 30K vs 40K is no more or less balanced than any one 40K army against any other 40K army; it depends on the size of the game, whether you tailor your lists(or merely happen to have lots of hard-counters to your opponent in your TAC list), what units you both select, and whether the 40K force has access to good formations. Indeed I'd say the level of unbalance between a 30K and a 40K force will almost always be smaller than the level between a top-tier 40K army and a bottom-tier one, at least until you go over 3000 points.

 Brennonjw wrote:

 FeindusMaximus wrote:
The best part of 30K is mostly NO pysphic phase at all.

daemons
word bearers
thousand sons

MOSTLY

I haven't found any games between the two to be any less balanced than when you play between two 40k factions. Playing imperium armies against each other from different millennia is interesting to really see how far technologically Man has fallen

also the mechanicum dosen't have alot in regards to hoard killing. They just have alot of anti MEQ and TEQ stuff.

Myrmidon Destructors with Volkite Culverins are damn good, though. For a unit with only three models, it's essentially "Control-X" on a light infantry unit. It's terrifying to watch.




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also the mechanicum dosen't have alot in regards to hoard killing. They just have alot of anti MEQ and TEQ stuff.

Myrmidon Destructors with Volkite Culverins are damn good, though. For a unit with only three models, it's essentially "Control-X" on a light infantry unit. It's terrifying to watch.

Yeah, but the problem with Myrmidons is they're horrendously expensive, and not particularly survivable. Mine usually only get the chance to shoot once.

30K is going to be at a disadvantage most of the time. As others said, we don't have ATSKNF on every unit for free because imperium like the 40k marines. Squads are expensive and upgrading them is even moreso. LOW are heavily restricted. I played a few games against a tournament eldar list with my ad mech. Won the first, then he realized what tactics he needed to use against 30k and mopped the floor with me twice. WKs are hard to deal with unless I bring an IK, the jetbikes put out way more S6 fire per turn than the average 30k army, warp spiders are a real pain as they keep jumping out of the way, etc. If I can list tailor and we restrict the 40k army to 30k rules (only troops score, LOW restriction, no formations) I can hold my own against any 40k. Playing my 30k with their rules against a 40k army using a decurion and letting everything score, the games really aren't that close.

I have played a couple of games against 40k-lists with my Taghmata.
Won against Astra Militarum, Eldar and the old Necrondex. And got steamrolled from Necrons with the new one.....
As long as nobody brings certain formations, its even matched on 2k-games.

I've only played 2 games with 30k v 40k but they did seem relatively balanced.

recent experiences:

stomped a khorn daemonkin list at 1850 (he was playtesting the army, and I was playtesting some auxilia ideas)

close game against orks in a 1500 point unbound (again, mostly SA on my half)

close loss against mechanicus (DG, 2,500 points)

got stomped by Eldar (DG, 1,850)

close win game against DE + Eldar (2,500 as DG, start of turn 3 both of our armies were basically shattered, it was great.)

My mechanicum struggle against horde armies but mainly due to me focusing more on anti meq.

Have had amusement from vorax opening up with 6 rotor cannons on a unit of boyz though.


IMO though it seems pretty balanced.
Not had any major issues as of yet but I've found the bottom tier 40k armies to give me more issues than higher tier.

Tyranids are fun to play however as it feels like something out of pacific rim :p

Lower points games however seem to hurt mechanicum.

My 750 is:

Cheap nasty HQ

3 thallax with a photon
3 thallax with plasma
3 thallax with plasma

Thanatar with plasma


While elite armies are easy enough to kill, horde give me an issue.

 Jackal wrote:
My mechanicum struggle against horde armies but mainly due to me focusing more on anti meq.

Have had amusement from vorax opening up with 6 rotor cannons on a unit of boyz though.


IMO though it seems pretty balanced.
Not had any major issues as of yet but I've found the bottom tier 40k armies to give me more issues than higher tier.

Tyranids are fun to play however as it feels like something out of pacific rim :p

Lower points games however seem to hurt mechanicum.

My 750 is:

Cheap nasty HQ

3 thallax with a photon
3 thallax with plasma
3 thallax with plasma

Thanatar with plasma


While elite armies are easy enough to kill, horde give me an issue.

Yeah. The Mechanicum tends to go complete out of balance regarding games under 1850 points. Try Adsecularis(15-20 per unit) with RopT in the Standardslot and some Iradweapons/volkite-choom. Also consider a Krios instead of the Thanatar. He is killy, but too expensive in small games. That may work.
Just my thoughts.

Mmm, Krios. S7 AP3 shredding, rending pie plates of doom? Yes sir!

But if you want real anti-horde in a Mechanicum list, drop an Indentured Cerastus Knight-Castigator.

If only there was a way to make a sword+shield Knight with maybe a carapace weapon….

I do own a castigator among my knight collection and tend to run him in higher point games.

He is solid but lacks S-D like most other knights.
Great at clearing out hordes but in 30k no marine horde would go near it.
Also short ranged knights suffer alot in 30k due to the sheer volume of anti tank fire you can mass.

Granted everything has the same downfall, but I rather take 2 plasma thanatars as they far out do the damage of a single knight, have good range and generally last longer.


Seen far too many questoris knight households stripped of 1-2 knights per turn in 30k lol.
Have to love darkfire weaponry