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I have a friend who is starting a 30k army (alpha legion), and I play orks. While I hear that 40k 7.5 armies have advantages over 30k, how do you guys fare against the lower tear 40k armies. If I played my friend should I expect to be crushed. Should I do formations and cad or should I do the 30k force org?
I like the concept of their being another "game" that has more balance, but I don't like how it's just an exclusive club for the marine fanatics (this is starting to sound more salty then I wanted to). Should I expect the same imbalanced mess I normally do with 40k when I eventually play against 30k, or are my orks capable of holding their own against the legions?

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It's still a pretty even split from what I played. Remember the following:

1) you don't use a regular CAD, you use the 30k CAD: 3 HQ, 6 troop, 4 Elite, 3 FA and HS
2) don't play like you would against a 40k army (unless he's gone for MSU-lite with his 30k dudes)

Orks are really fun in a 30k setting (great crusade and all that), but it can go one sided depending on if either of the side gets a devastating enough 1st turn. One of the 1st 30k apoc. games we played locally was Orks vs. 30k, and it went pretty well and was even throughout.

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Does 30k do maelstrom type missions? Or is it just plain kill each other.

"dont put all yer boyz in one trukk" "umless its dredds, then take as much uf those as possible"

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geargutz wrote:
Does 30k do maelstrom type missions? Or is it just plain kill each other.


there's 6 different core missions that are all pretty good. there's also 3 new deployment types, you would have to find them online to get the whole gist of them.

I'll never be able to repay CA for making GW realize that The Old World was a cash cow, left to die in a field.  
   
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geargutz wrote:
I like the concept of their being another "game" that has more balance, but I don't like how it's just an exclusive club for the marine fanatics (this is starting to sound more salty then I wanted to).

30k has more than just Marines! There is the Mechanicum, and also 'normal' human forces like the Solar Auxilia, Imperial Militia and Cults. You can also play as the Titan Legions and Knights, if you have too much money. Other forces weren't really involved in the Horus Heresy.

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geargutz wrote:
I have a friend who is starting a 30k army (alpha legion), and I play orks. While I hear that 40k 7.5 armies have advantages over 30k, how do you guys fare against the lower tear 40k armies. If I played my friend should I expect to be crushed. Should I do formations and cad or should I do the 30k force org?
I like the concept of their being another "game" that has more balance, but I don't like how it's just an exclusive club for the marine fanatics (this is starting to sound more salty then I wanted to). Should I expect the same imbalanced mess I normally do with 40k when I eventually play against 30k, or are my orks capable of holding their own against the legions?


The biggest thing you need here is a playgroup with imagination. Turn the clock back from the midst of the Heresy itself to that of the Great Crusade and you can easily find a place for every 40k Codex there is.

The Heresy events themselves are very Imperial centric but the great Crusade leaves a lot of room for Xenos. Eldar and Dark Eldar are mucking about, Orks are around in a big way, Tau Nids and Crons can fit in as Fantastical Alien Race XYZ. Imperial Guard make great stand ins for the the Greater Imperial Army (a middle ground between the Mallitia and the Solar Auxilia.

So it's all about how much fun you can have using your imagination and playing to the expanded fluff with some creativity.


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 drunken0elf wrote:

PPl who optimise their list as if they're heading to a tournament when in reality you're just gonna play a game for fun at your FLGS are bascially the Kanye West equivalent or 40K.
 
   
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If you want a rules-approved ork army, you can approach one - take imperialis militia with Abhuman Helots and Feral Warriors and your basic infantry are stubborn, WS4 A2 T4 infantry mobz that arent bad counts-as for ork boyz. T6 W3 4+save isnt an exact match for meganobz but ogryns give you something to use the models as.

But yeah, as long as both sides use the age of darkness rules and detachments, I cant see a real problem.

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The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.

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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.


that's an iffy statement. Yeah, it MAY be true, but to be fair: volkite are cool. I want a 10-man squad for my marines, and for the solar auxilia it's one of the 3 available troop sections

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True. But even then, That can backfire on them. Taking 'orks', even in an Age Of Darkness force, can result in a speed freek-ish wall of trukks loaded with many units of Meganobz.

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 Brennonjw wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.


that's an iffy statement. Yeah, it MAY be true, but to be fair: volkite are cool. I want a 10-man squad for my marines, and for the solar auxilia it's one of the 3 available troop sections


Hence the qualifier of being a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club, as I did say "multiple squads".

"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me."
- Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks 
   
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 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.

Sorry, I don't have any 30k rules....what's a volkite weapon do?, I'm guessing it's nothing like any weapon in 40k.
   
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geargutz wrote:
 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.

Sorry, I don't have any 30k rules....what's a volkite weapon do?, I'm guessing it's nothing like any weapon in 40k.


If the weapon causes an unsaved wound (ap5 generally) then it makes an automatic hit using the same profile as the weapon fired, so a culverin squad is 40 str6 shots at 45", denys ork armour saves, so let's be conservative and say 20 wounds with no saves, that's 20 more automatic hits at str6 ap5 again, that's a dead mob every turn easily.
   
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I play against 40k Orks as probably my most frequent opponent for my Word Bearers. I do not make my opponent use the Age of Darkness org chart. He runs it completely with the 40k Ork Codex and the BRB.

I can't speak for other Legions but at least with Word Bearers, so far its been a good matchup. In fact, though I have won my share of games, all the overwhelming victory type games we've had have gone to the Orks. I think you'd find the 30k armies much more balanced than the 40k stuff that is currently at play. But do be aware that Alpha Legion probably has among the best if not the best rules of all the HH Legions.




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San Antonio, TX

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
The only real problem your Orks will face is if your opponent tailors his list to be anti Ork. But that's a problem common in 40K, too. If you see a 30K army with multiple squads carrying Volkite weapons, they either tailored their list to fight you, or they're a member of the Martian Death Ray Fan Club.


Or you are a Night Lord player...

   
 
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