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 zedmeister wrote:

 Bookwrack wrote:
Welcome to geekdom life, where insecure nerds gits make themselves feel big by being dicks.

I think you'll find this kind of thing happens everywhere, not just on dakka

What? No. Didn't you get the memo? Dakka is where all the world's bell ends are quarantined, so yes, it _only_ happens here. Everywhere else is happy and nob free.

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Is there any way of finding out who added the tags?

none that I know of, Lego might be able to find it with some deep depp database diving but I don't think it's warranted at this point.

One of the things we can do is 'auto correct' tags into something else. That's why tagging Orc, always becomes Orcs, or Tallarn becomes Tallarn Desert Raiders.

I know at one point someone was using 'gay' as a pejorative tag and we considered changing it to Fabulous. Can't remember if we actually did it.

At this point (I did the same search as KillKrazy) there's only like 4 each of poorhammer and cheaphammer and since I don't know who added those or when I think I'll let them stand.

But if this, or any other tag, becomes a major problem and is irking people let me know I can do the alteration.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:

 ArbitorIan wrote:
Is there any way of finding out who added the tags?

none that I know of, Lego might be able to find it with some deep depp database diving but I don't think it's warranted at this point.

One of the things we can do is 'auto correct' tags into something else. That's why tagging Orc, always becomes Orcs, or Tallarn becomes Tallarn Desert Raiders.

I know at one point someone was using 'gay' as a pejorative tag and we considered changing it to Fabulous. Can't remember if we actually did it.

At this point (I did the same search as KillKrazy) there's only like 4 each of poorhammer and cheaphammer and since I don't know who added those or when I think I'll let them stand.

But if this, or any other tag, becomes a major problem and is irking people let me know I can do the alteration.

Much appreciated, Kid_Kyoto!

The word "poor-hammer" must be one of the top ten insults I have ever heard and I have been working in a state prison for 13 years. If an inmate every said something like that to me I would walkout of work, go home, and drink myself sober. Probably call off work for a week or two also for the PTSD.

On the topic at hand, I think poorhammer definitely falls enough into the pejorative or insulting side, as interpretable or intended, that it'd be worth "fixing." Jokes work when you punch up, not down.

...OTOH, there are some that are super-general and weird. When I'm talking about "horror" I'm talking about the genre/aesthetic rather than the garish demons, but it changes to plural...

I have looked through your gallery, and can see why people might have put the 'Poorhammer' tag.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Poorhammer
Scratchbuilt stuff might get tagged with that, and your scratchbuilt stuff is looking great. It is more than I would attempt, and it looks to have taken a lot of effort to put together. Most are not kitbashes, as most of the parts are plasticard and similar, and bottle-lobbas, being mostly "built from scratch".

So, if the Poorhammer tag was used in place of Scratchbuilt, it would fit.
But Poorhammer is not a term I will use.

Whatever, expect a few more votes

It's so insulting that this guy made a YouTube video
Read the comments on the video

http://youtu.be/o-blkXiEhM8

Anything other than Orks, I could see some "resentment" of doing things cheap. But ORKS? Come on, that's how Orks have been for 20 years or more. You scratch-build things, you convert things, you add all manner of weird bitz becoz Orky-know-wotz and kunnin' planz.

I'd be skeptical of any Ork player who doesn't do some scratchbuilding or heavy conversions. Dey got somefin' wrong in da 'ead, dey duz. Not propa Orkz.

I hate the term "poorhammer" - it's a loaded word with negative connotations. Which is kind of a shame - i am cash poor myself - but rich in family, friends, and actually have loads of starter box miniatures, paints, etc. acquired via sales and such. I see no shame in this. So to me, building a "budget" army is just being a smart buyer.

If i had time (and more than sloth-like motivation), i'd love to workshop a Gaming-On-A-Tight budget youtube series.
We should be trying to welcome as many players as we can - not excluding potential life-long players for elitist, self-aggrandizing, dickishness.

It's one of those things that you use it on yourself, it's a little bit of self-denigrating fun, but applying it to other people who might not feel the same way is a bad plan.

It never ends. Use cheaper models? I only use citadel. Oh, citadel? I buy everything from forgeworld. Sons of Horus army? I have a titan legion. Oh, you still buy from gw? I only buy rogue trader originals from ebay. 40k, you still play that? I haven't play anything by gw for 16 years...

Don't get caught up in other people giving themselves a little ego massage.

 Bookwrack wrote:
It's one of those things that you use it on yourself, it's a little bit of self-denigrating fun, but applying it to other people who might not feel the same way is a bad plan.

Pretty much. Without context it's impossible to know if they were being hurtful deliberately. So I would err on the side of "Yeah they were.", because a 30 second comment saying "You knocked this out of the park on a low budget" would've solved the entire thing.

Isn't there a Youtube channel that does videos called Poorhammer about making terrain and stuff from card stock?

Thank you for the YouTube video links. I had never heard of this guy before. Yes, he describes his scratch building as "PoorHammer"; that's his choice, good for him. It looks like he has made some interesting stuff out of common household materials. If this is one of you guys, well done!

As long as we are sharing, one of my favorite scratch building blogs is "In The Grim Cheapness of the Future", which is about having fun in 40K on a budget. That guy is inspirational.

It's impossible to know if the image tag was innocent or not, but it's hard not to read the negative connotations that go along with "poorhammer" (poor financially, poor quality, etc.). I agree that when you use a term to describe yourself and what you do, that's different than when you are describing someone else.

I've deleted the tag, and I'm moving on. So many projects, so little time.

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Perhaps Budgethammer or Thrifthammer would be better?

Why stop there? Given the current price of actual Warhammer stuff, still-have-both-kidneys hammer might work, or saving-for-a-second-yacht hammer. You don't need to be poor to find Warhammer expensive. It's gotten so bad, there are executives on 100k a year building necrons out of pasta.

 Smacks wrote:
It's gotten so bad, there are executives on 100k a year building necrons out of pasta.

I hate it when they invoke the Rigatoni Protocols.




I am familiar with the concept of Poorhammer from /tg/, but I'd be annoyed if someone labeled one of my modeling projects with that term. As others have said, use the label on your own work if you like it, but don't use it on other people's projects since the meaning can be misconstrued as an insult.

Perhaps a Nuts and Bolts thread requesting some way to sign up for notification when one's gallery images are tagged? Or to see who tagged what?

Cleatus, I'm sorry to hear about what amounts to defacement. I bet the perpetrators are completely incapable of even properly assembling their own stuff. They had to compensate somehow for their own inadequacies.

Poorhammer may not necessarily be pejorative, ( Poor really is not an insult, is it? Should it be? ) but cheaphammer certainly is.

 Smacks wrote:

 Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Perhaps Budgethammer or Thrifthammer would be better?

Why stop there? Given the current price of actual Warhammer stuff, still-have-both-kidneys hammer might work, or saving-for-a-second-yacht hammer. You don't need to be poor to find Warhammer expensive. It's gotten so bad, there are executives on 100k a year building necrons out of pasta.

I lol'd. Thanks! Haha...

I need to get some sleep or stop reading a certain thread in OT. I keep reading the title of this thread as Poonhammer...

 zedmeister wrote:
I need to get some sleep or stop reading a certain thread in OT. I keep reading the title of this thread as Poonhammer...

Might make a great alternate name for Prodos' Space Crusade.

There is a lot of gak in the gallery (in terms of very poor photos, out of focus shots with a hand obscuring the view etc)

Those look like some really cool conversions however! Was probably jealousy on the part of some spoilt little brat.

 Smacks wrote:
It's gotten so bad, there are executives on 100k a year building necrons out of pasta.

Lol !

In my mind when it comes to do it yourself, there's poorhammer:



And then there's fething Paperhammer 40k:

Seeing those dreads reminds me of the standee Griffon and Ork Dread they put in the starter boxes back in the day. Would that be considered "poorhammer"?

Hate that term by the way. I love seeing people exploring the fictional universes we like to game in with their own artistic take or aesthetic preference, no matter how much money is involved or what medium is used.

Yeah, but this is the same hobby where now it's a thing for people to poo-poo you for using non-Forgeworld (or also Calth models now) to play 30k, because this-or-that is not fake-historically accurate.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, but this is the same hobby where now it's a thing for people to poo-poo you for using non-Forgeworld (or also Calth models now) to play 30k, because this-or-that is not fake-historically accurate.

That's always been a thing, especially in Historicals. I've seen grown men argue over the colour of tunic and one of them refusing to play.

 zedmeister wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
Yeah, but this is the same hobby where now it's a thing for people to poo-poo you for using non-Forgeworld (or also Calth models now) to play 30k, because this-or-that is not fake-historically accurate.

That's always been a thing, especially in Historicals. I've seen grown men argue over the colour of tunic and one of them refusing to play.

American Civil War - and whether or not a given Union unit should have red dots on their caps.... (The Confederates were easier....)

I have seen the term 'Budgethammer' - which seems less... derogatory.

But I have also seen places where somebody was being abused for using Mantic skellies instead of official Greedy Weasel miniatures.

The Auld Grump

Those PaperHammer models look awesome.
There's an art to assembling and painting them as well.
I think the plastic models may actually be easier or me to put together - i suck at origami.
I'd have no objection to playing a game against them.

Agreed. I really like the Necrons in particular.

I used to use Microtactix print-outs on cardstock as my space marine army. They are designed to look like powerarmored troops who just happen to have scouts, heavy weapon warriors, standards, elites and jet pack guys. Drove the local players nuts.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
In my mind when it comes to do it yourself, there's poorhammer:
And then there's fething Paperhammer 40k:

for more of this, http://dented-rick.deviantart.com/
Very nice work indeed. Having tried my hand at papercraft, I can say that the really good stuff, like this, is not easy.

The file for the Thunderfire Cannon is here, BTW http://vk.com/doc-28784290_218627640 and a catalog of many more here, http://vk.com/album-28784290_147338158 The Arvus Lighter looks interesting...




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And yeah the Historicals guys... Color cards... sheesh.

Poorhammer? Cheaphammer? you bear these labels with PRIDE, sir- the best things in life are the things you build yourself