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Hi so the new marines are on 32 mm as are the genestealer hybrids are on 32 mm.
I am starting a new ork army from the leftover bits of my old one and noticed that most of them simply did not fit on 25 mm bases.
Their feet went over the base etc. would it be wise to base my orks on 32 mm just to anticipate on a imminent rebasing wave of new orks in the near future ?

( I am not going to run tournaments with the current ork codex, so I don't care if it is against RAW for the next year or so )

Here is an example how they fit on a 25 mm base. ( Disclaimer this is not my photo nor my ork boy )

God I hope not. Orks do not need another colossal nerf (which 32s would absolutely be)

Nobz I can live with on 32s. Not boyz. That would be the final nail in the coffin for the orks, everything would become harder.

Would it be a nerf ? Sure it has its downsides but I think It would also be a significant buff. Having a larger unit footprint and all + getting less models hit by blast weapons and flamers. This is the whole reason why I ask it. I modelling a whole army for advantage when they never get rebased to 32 mm isn't something that I would like to do.

But lets not dwell to much on the is it a nerf or a buff part too much. Do you guys thing that ork boys eventually face a rebasing to 32 mm, and if so when ?

The best Ork armies I face seem to have trouble gettingg everything on the board in th first place. I think 32mm bases would be bad for Orks for this reason.

I doubt they do it, but you never know. Still peeved that youncant buy Marines anymore with 28mm bases.

 oldzoggy wrote:
Do you guys thing that ork boys eventually face a rebasing to 32 mm, and if so when ?

I don't think it's going to happen - they would have started it with Stormclaw or the Start Collecting! Orks box. (Also: very few of the hybrids are on 32mm, most are still on 25mm)

I've switched some over to 32's but I leave the normal Ork Boyz on their 25's.

Stormboyz: They constantly fall over on 25's
Lootas: They look better on larger bases because of their bulk imo.
Nobs & Painboys: Just to help them stand out in the crowd.

There is a legal base size most tournaments adhere to. So you might regret putting them on the wrong bases. Besides, with how many orks you typically run, you would really be nerfing yourself. Whats one or two less hits from an aoe a turn, compared to 5 less boyz hitting on the charge, or more turns stuck in difficult terrain, no room for your vehicles and other things. ect...

Pretty sure at this point in time in 40k, you can base on pretty much whatever you want.

 gwarsh41 wrote:
Pretty sure at this point in time in 40k, you can base on pretty much whatever you want.

I am fairly sure you can't. If you are playing in any kind of regulated environment such as tournament settings, you are expected to use the base that the model was supplied with - the one exception being Marines as they have been supplied with both.

When just duking it out with a friend, you can of course do just about anything, but that is not limited to bases.

As for orks, they'd best stick to their current base sizes. They have enough maneuvring and space issues as it is.

Right now I have them all on 28mm except independent characters.
So basically only models on 32 are
Warboss
Big Mek
Weirdboy
Pain boy
Lone exception is meganobs

Stormboyz have a nickle glued in the base for stability. Bigger bases would be a nerf and I don't expect it will happen anytime soon since 32mm was made for the sculptors to have more freedom on future models.

All of mine are going to go on 32mm's. I hate all my Boyz hanging off the edges of their bases.

Several reasons it would be a nerf.

1) orks require model close contact to maximize attacks in cc. Less bases you can fit 2" away=less attacks you can make

2) Overwatch creates more distance if your bases are larger.

3) Fewer models can get into the optimal position when disembarking and deep striking

4) Higher probability of hitting terrain when charging and moving

A higher model footprint does not make up for that.

 Frozocrone wrote:
All of mine are going to go on 32mm's. I hate all my Boyz hanging off the edges of their bases.

If you are just going to do whatever you want, prepare for the concequences. Some of which will be refused games.

I'm against giving Boyz 25mms, because we finally have the sorting thing done now with Nobz and other big orks on 32mms. It just looks so much better aesthetically.

Nobz and Gits need 32. 40 mm gits with 6+ are a joke. Boyz are fine. It'd be a hindrance to boyz.


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 oldzoggy wrote:
Would it be a nerf ? Sure it has its downsides but I think It would also be a significant buff.

Yep and now try to get stuff in BTB to strike back at your ini 2 when you now need an extra inch. Situations when you just don't get to strike back are allready apearing from time to time with 25 mm. And an extra inch to charge after loosing the front row to overwatch.

Less overwatch, less strikes. On the other hand, lower blast and template damage. But in all fairness, ork boyz are not afraid of blasts just cause of how cheap they are. Well, unless the blasts are from wivern. Besides, not all marines use 32 mm as it's not mandatory. 32 mm t-shirt orks that die in droves against 25 mm marines would look wrong.

I've been thinking about this for a while, not only with Orks but with some other armies as well. It seems that with Orks there are a few pros to switching to 32mm base and a few cons. Looking at how each affects your play will help you decide if you should change out your bases or not.

Advantages (Pros)

1. Models fall over frequently when based on 25mm bases.

This is something I see all the time. The way Orks are posed makes them forward-heavy and they frequently sit on the table with faces planted in the ground. A large base would help with this, but so does gluing a nickle into the recess of the base. Of course you can't glue nickles (or any other weight) into a solid resin base should you be interested in using those.

2. Like Marines, Orks just look better on 32mm bases.

This is "the rule of cool". Unlike Guard, Eldar, etc. Orks also benefit visually from having larger bases. I guess the value of this depends on how important looks are to you.

3. Less coverage by enemy templates.

This is about the only functional advantage. The more spread out a unit is, the safer it is from templates - it's been this way since 2nd Edition. Still, we're not talking about a great many models being affected, one or two at the most. It a tournament environment it may be a factor where every model not hit is a lost opportunity.

Disadvantages (Cons)

1. Tournaments may exclude models on 32mm bases.

I bring this up first because it is a serious concern if you are a tournament player even as it is completely irrelevant if you are not. Even with the consensus view that 32mm bases are a net disadvantage to the Ork player, there are tournaments who absolutely will not allow you to use a base size that did not come with the model. I think this alone is the deciding factor for tournament players. For people who don't play in tournaments it still may be an issue because someday down the road you may find yourself wanting to play in a tournament or league or campaign or whatever. Should base size be an issue in these venues, you should consider your decision carefully.

2. Orks are better when they can compress their footprint.

This is mostly true but might not be as disasterous as some people suggest. With 25mm bases, you can arrange your group of attackers so that a few in the "third rank" can get their licks in, but honestly, it isn't that many. Deployment, disembarking, or coming in from reserves also benefit from a smaller footprint. Still, it only really becomes a factor if you're deploying a maxed out unit (30 boyz). Disembarking or reserves deployment really only affects one model out of ten when playing Space Marines so I expect a similar situation with Orks. Still, it matters in competative play such as tournaments where people are trying to get every single advantage they can squeeze out of their army but in more casual play it really won't lose as many games as people may think.

3. Movement through terrain.

Honestly, this is only an issue if you use too much terrain. In standard scenarios it really is a non-factor. Either you can maneuver around the terrain pretty much the same as usual, or you'll be hitting the terrain anyway because your unit is so large.

So, assessing the lists, it seems that highly competative players may want to steer away from 32mm bases for their Boyz. If you are not big on the tournament scene, then the functional buffs/nerfs really won't impact you that much. In that case it all depends on whether you can live with a couple of models not getting a round of attacks in or not. If you can, then I say go for it.

Although they're big enough models to warrant it, the footprint an Ork army with 32mm bases would be ginormous.

I still see most armies being boyz in trukks or armies full of kans and stuff like that. I haven't seen a green tide in ages.

But a green tide would be ginormous.