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I feel as if anything worth saying about GW has been said already numorus times by enough people to where the topic stale and overdone. GW doesn't care, and it won't change the way you want it too. While making a brainstorm session about how GW needs a fix may be fun, it's worth noting that more or less about as worth while and productive a conversation as wish listing for your new codex.

All these threads end up doing is spreading frustration really. I don't feel like complaining about GW is really worth while as all it does in the end is discourage people and spread apathy and pessimism about the hobby. Don't take this as me excusing GW though. I dislike them as much most people here, but I try not to let that make me get upset about the hobby.

What is the point behind the "Why I hate people hating GW" threads?

I express my displeasure by limiting purchases.

People venting uselessly about things they hate but have no real power to change. It's the same as the Off Topic forums about movies/books/things people hate.

 Sigvatr wrote:
What is the point behind the "Why I hate people hating GW" threads?

yo dawg so I heard you hate why I hate people hating GW threads so I put a why I hate people hating GW thread thread in your why I hate people hating GW thread so you can hate GW while you hate hating GW threads

Who's worse, the whiners, or the whiners who whine about the whiners?

Martel732 wrote:
I express my displeasure by limiting purchases.

This is far more productive. Complaining gets people nowhere but discussing how to take action and taking actions is productive. Seriously, I'm against the whole "we're helpless, and GW sucks." and I prefer people taking actual steps to try and improve GW, or send a message to them.

Jaxler wrote:
I feel as if anything worth saying about GW has been said already numorus times by enough people to where the topic stale and overdone. GW doesn't care, and it won't change the way you want it too. While making a brainstorm session about how GW needs a fix may be fun, it's worth noting that more or less about as worth while and productive a conversation as wish listing for your new codex.

All these threads end up doing is spreading frustration really. I don't feel like complaining about GW is really worth while as all it does in the end is discourage people and spread apathy and pessimism about the hobby. Don't take this as me excusing GW though. I dislike them as much most people here, but I try not to let that make me get upset about the hobby.

Humans are social creatures. We like that our feelings and thoughts are shared with others, and that we are not alone in our frustrations and complaints. While negative in tone, these threads clearly server a purpose, as people are drawn to them.

Without getting too meta, it's pretty similar to threads such as this: while not as common as the gripes about GW, there's a thread about anti-GW sentiment on Dakka pretty regularly. Obviously, it doesn't change anything, but people like to complain about how negative Dakka is, for the reason given above.

Omg, I hate GW.

Oh wait, wrong thread.

Jaxler wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I express my displeasure by limiting purchases.

This is far more productive. Complaining gets people nowhere but discussing how to take action and taking actions is productive. Seriously, I'm against the whole "we're helpless, and GW sucks." and I prefer people taking actual steps to try and improve GW, or send a message to them.

Agreed. Purchasing from second hand sources also "sticks it to them" as they what to sell 2 products, not sell 1 and that same 1 be resold by someone else.

This could arguably make the problem worse. GW may feel that have to jack prices up because not enough people are buying "from them" and their revenue is down. Catch 22, I guess.

GW makes fantastic products in their miniature line, let's not kid ourselves about that. You may not like the price or the design of a particular kit, but GW is "top of the line" in the mini business. The issue most people have is the disputable rules interpretations and imbalance between army power levels. GW keeps pumping out rules, heck even new specialist board games, yet can't be bothered to fix/update/FAQ certain glaring issues.

I, for one, like GW overall. I love 40K and always will, so long as there is a community for it. I think this is a common view and reason why so many players are frustrated when simple fixes can be made but just aren't

In addition to the points mentioned by others for discussing our dislike of GW and its practices or issues with 40K, we don't really know whether designers ever check these sites to get a feel for the community's views of 40K. We don't think they do because they appear not to have any contact with the community or officially do market research, but the designers may check 40k sites/threads out, either at work or at home. So the guy who designed the rules for the WK may look to see what the response is from players about the unit even if they may not be able to adjust things through errata at this time. Who knows, a change in leadership or practices could turn this around and some designers may still maintain a pulse on the 40k community to be ready to make changes. Of course this could be wrong but we don't know. We have anecdotes and opinions.

 Galef wrote:

Jaxler wrote:

Martel732 wrote:
I express my displeasure by limiting purchases.

This is far more productive. Complaining gets people nowhere but discussing how to take action and taking actions is productive. Seriously, I'm against the whole "we're helpless, and GW sucks." and I prefer people taking actual steps to try and improve GW, or send a message to them.

Agreed. Purchasing from second hand sources also "sticks it to them" as they what to sell 2 products, not sell 1 and that same 1 be resold by someone else.

This could arguably make the problem worse. GW may feel that have to jack prices up because not enough people are buying "from them" and their revenue is down. Catch 22, I guess.

We have a winnah!!! People that complain that the prices are too high and only buy second-hand are a big reason that prices keep climbing so high!

GW knows that the 2nd-hand market for their product is extensive and is costing them boat loads of money. The only way they can seem to combat that is to make that initial purchase high enough to cover the cost/profit ratio of 2 of said product. Lowering the prices, while certainly a goodwill gesture, would not curb the 2nd-hand market in the least. GW products have never been cheap, but the current pricing model is a direct result of our own purchasing habits as a community. Of course, if the 2nd-hand market dried up tomorrow, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GW to lower their prices, because they ARE Games Workshop after all.

What's the point of any thread?

To have a discussion about a topic you're interested in.

For the OP, if you feel that strongly about repeat threads, I expect to see you in every thread asking what your favourite chapter is, or character, or who would win in a fight.

Or what fething music they'd listen to.

Whining about things we can't change is what the internet was made for. Well... that and pornography, of course.

 Korinov wrote:
Who's worse, the whiners, or the whiners who whine about the whiners?

People who dismiss legitimate concerns and complaints as "whining".

 Grimtuff wrote:

 Korinov wrote:
Who's worse, the whiners, or the whiners who whine about the whiners?

People who dismiss legitimate concerns and complaints as "whining".

I like the cut of your jib.

 ClassicCarraway wrote:
We have a winnah!!! People that complain that the prices are too high and only buy second-hand are a big reason that prices keep climbing so high!

GW knows that the 2nd-hand market for their product is extensive and is costing them boat loads of money. The only way they can seem to combat that is to make that initial purchase high enough to cover the cost/profit ratio of 2 of said product. Lowering the prices, while certainly a goodwill gesture, would not curb the 2nd-hand market in the least. GW products have never been cheap, but the current pricing model is a direct result of our own purchasing habits as a community. Of course, if the 2nd-hand market dried up tomorrow, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for GW to lower their prices, because they ARE Games Workshop after all.

First it was metal and plastic getting more expensive to produce. Then inflation. Now the second hand market. I wonder what new excuse will tomorrow bring.

GW price their products as high as they believe they can get away with. In a market flooding with more affordable alternatives every day, it isn't exactly a surprise the strategy stopped working a few years ago.

It is the 3rd Millennium. For more than a hundred months Games Workshop has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Nottingham. It is the foremost of wargames by the will of the neckbeards, and master of a million tabletops by the might of their inexhaustible wallets. It is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with business strategies from the early Age of Industrial Revolution. It is the Carrion Lord of the wargaming scene for whom a thousand veteran players are sacrificed every day, so that it may never truly die.

Yet even in its deathless state, GW continues its eternal vigilance. Mighty battleforce starter-sets cross the online-store-infested miasma of the internet, the only route between distant countries, their way lit by a draconian retail trade-agreement, the legal manifestation of GW's will. Vast armies of lawyers do battle in GW's name on uncounted websites. Greatest amongst its soldiers are the Guardians of the IP, the Legal Team, bio-engineered super-aholes. Their comrades in arms are legion: the writing team and countless untested rulebooks, the ever vigilant redshirts, and the writers of White Dwarf, to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from other games, their own incompetence, Based Chinaman - and worse.

To support Games Workshop in such times is to spend untold billions. It is to support the cruelest and most tightlipped company imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of sales discounts and Warhammer Fantasy Battle, for so much has been dropped, never to be re-published again. Forget the promise of cheaper digital content and caring about the fanbase, for in GW HQ there is only profit-seeking, Space Marines and Sigmarines. There is no fun amongst the hobby shops, only an eternity of raging and spending, and the laughter of former employees who left GW to join better companies.

 Azreal13 wrote:
Or what fething music they'd listen to.

Or the ever popular "Can Space marines have sex? Because it really is embarrassing that my superhuman killing machines could die virgins!"

 Blacksails wrote:
What's the point of any thread?

To have a discussion about a topic you're interested in.

Pretty much. Other than threads asking for advice, most threads could be bundled in to the "what is the point of this thread?". Even most of the ones asking for advice, the advice could be found with a bit of basic research.

But people like to discuss things. If they didn't the forum would be rather dead.