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So ive been looking at the GW releases for the past few months. Seems they are putting out more AoS than 40k. So, do you think this is enough to show that AoS has picked up steam and is starting to outsell 40k or is it that GW is pushing a sinking ship harder in hopes itll catch on? I still have a very very very hard time finding pick up play for AoS in the Los Angeles area. But perhaps everyone is playing at home? I really dont know. And why im asking here.

Releases are planned months in advance, sometimes up to a year out.

AOS is picking up at my store. Enough interest now that the store will be hosting a campaign. Different types of players too. Some are into the whole scenario just for fun games and others are more competitive in spirit. I suppose if you can get regular games, it is fun to play.

Multiple years, from what I've heard. If AoS wasn't doing well, I wouldn't expect that to actually be reflected in GW release patterns until 2017, at the earliest.

Its pretty much extinct here, not carried or played anywhere but the 1 GW and even there its not played, 30k and 40k are doing really well at the gw but nowhere else.

It's picked up a lot here and in our area back home in US. But it's spotty reporting all over the place and I can see why.

If anyone has an AoS plastic sprue, it should have a copyrighted date on it, which will show how long ago it was tooled.

I think the lead time runs from about 2-4 years, so it could be well into next year when we see the AoS kits run out if they've already given up on it.

If you believe Sad Panda, the lead time is extreme:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/210/671862.page#8456527

It's about four years for something like this. At events they stated that Matt Ward was the brains around End Times and this project as been in the works for four, though longer from the conception stage. When I interview the authors they mention how far back commissions come and those only come later in the process.

I have no idea if AoS is doing well because to whose standards? soem other forums it seems like want GW to go under and naturally all we can do is speculate because we have no internal numbers or any idea of what the expectation, planning, tent and design and even budget for this. Or any other game.

Its not played at all at any of our FLGS stores but it has a sizable following at the GW store.

auticus wrote:
Its not played at all at any of our FLGS stores but it has a sizable following at the GW store.

This kind of thing more than whether or not AoS is a fun game ( thats opinion) but its not a good game (4 pages of unclear rules and loads of scrolls with special rules) but the animosity towards gw at flgs and the outright bannig of their games and not carrying them, that is what will drop gw from titan to regular joe, their 1 man shops are pretty lousy to play in, they are usually very small with maybe at best 3 small tables. gw is doing itself no favors by antagonizing flgs.

The lead time is about two years so they had all this stock made and ready to ship long before they knew AoS was a flop.

I very much doubt that. One of GW's strengths is that they can do everything in house apart from printing. That means if the boss rushes downstairs, screaming that WHFB is a disaster and they need to replace it, the design team can drop whatever new 40K model and fluff they are working on, and thrash out a bunch of ideas for a completely new game.

As soon as a basic direction is set: Make it like a simplified 40K and make the main faction fantasy Space Marines, the sculpting team can be briefed. The Sigmarines have one basic computer model that can quickly be given minor variations of helmet, weapon and shield. (I know there is a the Dracoth, the flying Sigmarines and some Sigmarines with trumpets and stuff too.)

Once it is clear that Sigmarines are going gangbusters, management can demand more of them, and the sculptors quickly change the axe to a spear, or the spear to a mace, or the mace to a or whatever, and export a new CAD file. The factory cuts a tool, and the new kit can be in production in a few days.

Suddenly management rush down and demand a new shipment of Sigmarines with hammers. The factory finishes its current Sigmarines with Swords run, and puts the Hammers Siggies tool on the production line. Within a few hours, 10,000 new kits are stamped out and waiting for boxes.

The print work is the problem, because it has to be scheduled in with external suppliers. Even so, practically anything can be done with a three month lead time.

I can't say for others, but I've had a wonderful time building and painting the new AoS models. Recently picked up some extra Sigmarines on eBay and two of the new scenery sets at my local GW.

grumpy_newenglander wrote:
I can't say for others, but I've had a wonderful time building and painting the new AoS models. Recently picked up some extra Sigmarines on eBay and two of the new scenery sets at my local GW.

Love this post! I love painting up my dwarves!

AoS had an initial burst of interest at my local store, then died down nearly completely. However, more recently there are a small handful of people interested in getting it moving again, and one of the staff wants to push it, so there have been some games played in the store, and an event is scheduled later in the month.

I get the distinct impression that there was just under the threshold needed to have a small but regular group playing it, and my return after graduation (my last semester was killer and I didn't make it into the store at all) put it over that bar.


In terms of personal opinion, I enjoy Age of Sigmar - comped or otherwise - a lot more than 40k right now, which just feels like a mess. I hate what formations have become in that game, and the fliers and knights and battle brother super units and superheavies and megaweapons and first turn charges have really killed that game for me. It doesn't help that I play CSMs, and their rules have been a blend of bad and boring for going on a decade now.

AoS, by comparison, is a lot simpler, a lot cleaner, and the 'monsters get weaker as they get more hurt' mechanic makes the big stuff feel a lot more in-scale with the rest of the game. It's got bugs and problems galore, don't get me wrong, but it's problems don't feel as frustrating or all-consuming as the problems in 40k feel.


Malifaux's been the real winner of the WHFB exodus in my area. The second edition of that game saw a huge jump in model quality, and it has a competitive balance that the more hardcore gamers enjoy. I like it too, but the more competitive players occupying that game at the local shop kind of keep a casual, narrative guy like me from getting too deep into the game.

 womprat49 wrote:

grumpy_newenglander wrote:
I can't say for others, but I've had a wonderful time building and painting the new AoS models. Recently picked up some extra Sigmarines on eBay and two of the new scenery sets at my local GW.

Love this post! I love painting up my dwarves!

Àgree ! My dwarfs and lizards are in storage back home while I study abroad but scene here is so great then Fyerslayers came out and despite th meh at first,this dwarf collector bought them, assembled the, into an elemental army, like that iconic art of flaming Grimnir with fire hair from the pic used everywhere online. Played them and love them more each time. Been using them as contained army but depending on what duardin factions Come later maybe we might ally up.

So yeah, making the most of it and loving AoS games and experience each game.


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 Malisteen wrote:
AoS had an initial burst of interest at my local store, then died down nearly completely. However, more recently there are a small handful of people interested in getting it moving again, and one of the staff wants to push it, so there have been some games played in the store, and an event is scheduled later in the month.

I get the distinct impression that there was just under the threshold needed to have a small but regular group playing it, and my return after graduation (my last semester was killer and I didn't make it into the store at all) put it over that bar.


In terms of personal opinion, I enjoy Age of Sigmar - comped or otherwise - a lot more than 40k right now, which just feels like a mess. I hate what formations have become in that game, and the fliers and knights and battle brother super units and superheavies and megaweapons and first turn charges have really killed that game for me. It doesn't help that I play CSMs, and their rules have been a blend of bad and boring for going on a decade now.

AoS, by comparison, is a lot simpler, a lot cleaner, and the 'monsters get weaker as they get more hurt' mechanic makes the big stuff feel a lot more in-scale with the rest of the game. It's got bugs and problems galore, don't get me wrong, but it's problems don't feel as frustrating or all-consuming as the problems in 40k feel.


Malifaux's been the real winner of the WHFB exodus in my area. The second edition of that game saw a huge jump in model quality, and it has a competitive balance that the more hardcore gamers enjoy. I like it too, but the more competitive players occupying that game at the local shop kind of keep a casual, narrative guy like me from getting too deep into the game.

are you only playing at Titan? Maht Haverstock is the Wyrd Minion and hopefully he's still enjoying Malifaux. If you see him say hi from Kenny

I've been playing Age of Sigmar at least once a week at a local GW store.

my son has taught his ADHD friend to sit and play it, its the only game that kid can play but he seems to be enjoying it.

I will freely admit that I was very bitter about the destruction of the Old World. I went through the phases of grief and now I have joined a campaign that is starting at my not-so-local GW for AoS using Azyr comp and their campaign rules. There are six of us so far, and man is it nice to not have a bunch of negativity in the air when I go there.

 VeteranNoob wrote:
are you only playing at Titan? Maht Haverstock is the Wyrd Minion and hopefully he's still enjoying Malifaux. If you see him say hi from Kenny

I don't personally know him, most of my limited Wyrd gaming has been with Adam Atencio. I will ask around for Maht, though, and let him know you said hi.

 Coldhatred wrote:
I will freely admit that I was very bitter about the destruction of the Old World. I went through the phases of grief and now I have joined a campaign that is starting at my not-so-local GW for AoS using Azyr comp and their campaign rules. There are six of us so far, and man is it nice to not have a bunch of negativity in the air when I go there.

Awesome are you on our facebook group for Azyr Empires? With the dragon coming out I'll be putting together the next career paths (stormcast) and appendix: city fight for Empires

 thekingofkings wrote:
my son has taught his ADHD friend to sit and play it, its the only game that kid can play but he seems to be enjoying it.

If that's a sly dig at AoS being for children, it's incredibly insensitive to children with learning disabilities and I'd go so far as to say trolling.

My local GW finally started leagues for AOS and 40k. I went in for a game both days last weekend. I assumed the tables would be dominated by 40k players but to my surprise only 1 out of 5 games going was 40k. Went in at lunch to get paints yesterday played a quick pickup game and found out 4-5 others were coming for games all afternoon. Seems alive here

 monders wrote:

 thekingofkings wrote:
my son has taught his ADHD friend to sit and play it, its the only game that kid can play but he seems to be enjoying it.

If that's a sly dig at AoS being for children, it's incredibly insensitive to children with learning disabilities and I'd go so far as to say trolling.

Obviously it is not, but to keep it civil I will say no more to you about it, but for sure I will be putting you on ignore,I have been quite clear on how I feel about the game, I have never shied away from calling it trash openly, but felt it was worth mentioning the other side since they had such a good time with it over the weekend, try not looking for offense where there is none.

I don't think AoSi s for children but it's certainly pitched at a low level of complexity, like X Wing

 Kilkrazy wrote:
I don't think AoSi s for children but it's certainly pitched at a low level of complexity, like X Wing

Whether intended or not, it can be a good benefit in the long run, my kid and his friends are loving it, so grudgingly I am shelling out to get them armies. IF it gives them something other than sitting in front of a video game all day, then I am all for it. I may hate it, but its a good game to do together, it may even lead to better games down the road.

auticus wrote:

 Coldhatred wrote:
I will freely admit that I was very bitter about the destruction of the Old World. I went through the phases of grief and now I have joined a campaign that is starting at my not-so-local GW for AoS using Azyr comp and their campaign rules. There are six of us so far, and man is it nice to not have a bunch of negativity in the air when I go there.

Awesome are you on our facebook group for Azyr Empires? With the dragon coming out I'll be putting together the next career paths (stormcast) and appendix: city fight for Empires

I am not, but I will go find it right now.

AoS seems to at least be doing well enough at my GW store. The manager does push it quite a bit, but he is also working on some unofficial store rules to make it less broken at times. Undead seems to be selling pretty well. I am sure it will take off more once stuff like High Elves come out.

How your local store does isn't relevant one store can't prop up the company.

Global numbers are the only deciding factor and we know those are bad.