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Other than using a Culexus with a Seer Council, are there any good combos for Assassins to be added to an Eldar list?

Model wise, I think there are some really good choices for Eldar counts-as Assassins:
--Illic/Maugan Ra as a Vindicare,
--Harlequin with a braid/Jain Zar as a Callidus,
--Karandras as an Eversor,
--DE Haemonculus/Medusae as a Culexus, etc

I personally like the idea of using all Harliquins:
--Death Jester Vindicare
--ShadowSeer Culexus (psyker as an anti-psyker?)
--Female Troupe master Callidus
--Solitaire Eversor

Basically the Heroes Path Formation in fluff, but use the Assassin rules. Any thoughts, tips or tactics?

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Why not just use heroes path and add a Culexus...because the assassin rules bar Culexus are pretty lame, and the solitaire is everything they want to be but ain't.

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The Heroes Path is the Solataire, Jester, Seer as individuals correct?

If so, my eldar list in casual games use this formation instead of a WK, and it does just enough to make it fun.. The solitaire is hilarious. I usually hide him until he can charge something crazy and it is all good fun.

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the_scotsman wrote:
Why not just use heroes path

I will in some games, but I also want the models to be used as Assassins to change stuff up a bit. Sometimes I may just want to field 1 extra model, like a Vindicare or Callidus. Heroes Path requires fielding 3 squishy models that really should be hiding in units but cannot.

I just want to have 4 models I my collection that can be used as either the Harlquin characters or Assassins. I like the idea of some Heroes Path Harlequins functioning in the same way that Assassins do for the Imperium.

Was hoping for some tactic to support this.


   
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 Galef wrote:


Heroes Path requires fielding 3 squishy models that really should be hiding in units but cannot.


squishy is a grey area.. they do have 2+ cover saves.. solataire is 3++ otherwise and eternal warrior. They are only T3 tho.. so you need to play the out of site games with them.

 Galef wrote:

I just want to have 4 models I my collection that can be used as either the Harlquin characters or Assassins. I like the idea of some Heroes Path Harlequins functioning in the same way that Assassins do for the Imperium.


Solataire -> Evorseer (sp?)
Death Jester -> Vindicaire
Shadowseer -> Either Cullexsus or the other one

I think those would be fine proxie models. Maybe even a Troupe master with sword as one option.

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 Grizzyzz wrote:
 Galef wrote:


Heroes Path requires fielding 3 squishy models that really should be hiding in units but cannot.


squishy is a grey area.. they do have 2+ cover saves.


No they don't.

"'players must agree how they are going to select their armies, and if any restrictions apply to the number and type of models they can use."

This is an actual rule in the actual rulebook. Quit whining about how you can imagine someone's army touching you in a bad place and play by the actual rules.


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 DarknessEternal wrote:
 Grizzyzz wrote:


squishy is a grey area.. they do have 2+ cover saves.


No they don't.


Ok.. they have stealth and shrouded so a +3 cover save.. which in a ruin becomes a 2+ cover

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Indeed. I need to get around to painting my Harlie models I got when the Dex dropped.

Infiltrate, Stealth and Shroud are great rules, but I don't always want to field all 3 characters. Death Jester & Shadow Seer are much better supporting a unit. The lose of IC hurts the Heroes Path. Hence why I want to use the Assassin rules instead, as they weren't designed to support units.

   
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 Galef wrote:
Indeed. I need to get around to painting my Harlie models I got when the Dex dropped.

Infiltrate, Stealth and Shroud are great rules, but I don't always want to field all 3 characters. Death Jester & Shadow Seer are much better supporting a unit. The lose of IC hurts the Heroes Path. Hence why I want to use the Assassin rules instead, as they weren't designed to support units.


I have used the solataire as an Eversor before, people thought it was a cool proxy. I think they are pretty evenly matched.. I think the solataire might be better? i can't remember the math.

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I also think the Solataire is better than an Eversor, but the Solitaire cannot be taken alone in a Battle Forged list. I think Assassins can (or am I wrong?)

However:
Vindicare > Death Jester,
Callidus > a Troupe master,
Culexus > Shadowseer.

BTW, here are my WIP conversions:


And some finished "KISS" Harlequins:


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Nice dude they look good.

No a solataire cannot be taken individually, when i did my proxy i used the eversor rules and his models. For the most part you don't have to worry about the fact they are only "allies of convenience"

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One thing I like to do sometimes is to take the Hero's Path formation alongside the formation of all four Assassins for friendly 1000 point games - my list is only 930, but it's all fun.

Most people don't have any idea how to play against a list like that...
   
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 Galef wrote:
Other than using a Culexus with a Seer Council, are there any good combos for Assassins to be added to an Eldar list?

Model wise, I think there are some really good choices for Eldar counts-as Assassins:
--Illic/Maugan Ra as a Vindicare,
--Harlequin with a braid/Jain Zar as a Callidus,
--Karandras as an Eversor,
--DE Haemonculus/Medusae as a Culexus, etc

I personally like the idea of using all Harliquins:
--Death Jester Vindicare
--ShadowSeer Culexus (psyker as an anti-psyker?)
--Female Troupe master Callidus
--Solitaire Eversor

Basically the Heroes Path Formation in fluff, but use the Assassin rules. Any thoughts, tips or tactics?

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Pls stop trying to confuse your opponents, with all sorts of eldar models that count as allies ( that you think add some oomph to your army).
You make some nice Harlequin conversions but they will look like harlequins and be very confusing when used next to other eldar pieces.
The whole lets use dark eldar and eldar bits -> Convert them to harlequins -> use them as Imperial assasins thing doesn't work for me at all.
I believe your conversions ans would love to play against them as harlequins, but I would be too confused to play against them as imperial assasins.
Just use the proper harlequin rules. They are not bad at all.

Some tactics -> Go full out on LD shenanigans.

Things that are good to add to it ( and wil be fun to convert.)
- Go for the Dark eldar Coven ticks + that item
- Go for the FW ghostly eldar LD tricks
- Go for the eldar flier

Then go nuts with those harlequins in your heroes path. This would be fun to play and fluffly. Or use some other eldar rules for assasin like characters. You could even use an Eldar spiner model as an exotic vindicare assassin in a Imperial army.
Just don't make an eldar version of a culexus assassin that looks like a and mix it up with other eldar models. That would be very confusing for everyone, and there is no way that it comes close to the fluff.

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