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 Kilkrazy wrote:
The peasants could be retained as camp followers.

I know it's the correct term and I should be an adult, but every time I see/hear it it makes me think of the Monty Python camp army drill sketch...
https://youtu.be/ol5Dfs7jqFI?list=RDqIFUm70n0fU

 insaniak wrote:

 Kilkrazy wrote:
Brettonians could be turned into a more varied but still "realistic" and coherent force by basing them on Crusader armies. This would give them a core of mounted knights in heraldic costume, supported by foot sergeants with crossbows and spears, and light cavalry Turcopoles. The peasants could be retained as camp followers. Bunng in some sort of magic and religious icons based on Sigmarism and I reckon there's a pretty reasonable AoS concept.

And, of course, it's a fantasy setting... so you're not limited to putting the knights on just horses...

THIS!

I'd love the Bretonnians to become something like Realm Riders where they become a all cavalry force of fantastical creatures that ties into their new knighthood.

Bigger the beast you subdue=higher on the totem pole you are.

Having them range from light cavalry of bipedal birds and warhorses to heavy cavalry of dragons, elemental beasts and stuff that basically looks like a mountain came to life and grew fur.

Today, I called in an order from my local retail store, Part of my order was boxes of Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowman in which the retailer did not had any at the store. He told me he is not sure if he can restock on that item and would let me know if he cannot get them.

I assume that means the 10 Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowmen boxes are either getting a repackaging of 20 per box or, in the worst case, one of the plastic kits that is not being remade.

That's a good question. Is everything in the Order Battletome being reboxed?

 Haechi wrote:
That's a good question. Is everything in the Order Battletome being reboxed?

This didn't happen for the Chaos and Death books that only saw a fraction of their kits repackaged, so there are few reasons for that to happen with the Order one. It's even less probable considering the very large amount of kits that would need a repack.

Alright.

Chikout wrote:
I think the Brettonian problem was that the studio didn't know what to do with the army. A plastic grail knights and questing knights box would have been great, but what else would they add. The thing about Brettonians is that they are basically lots of Knights. Knights on foot doesn't really make sense. More peasents would just just dilute the essence of the army. I hope they take the time to make a new human faction loosely inspired by Bretonnia but with a bit more creative freedom. AOS let them make slayers ride monsters after all.

Historically; knights dismounted, guy in full plate with a big sword is effective.
Yes to crusader style spear and crossbow militias, so many crusades to go on too...

There is a big market out there for Knights, just plain honest knights in armour fighting monsters. They're the badass normals of the setting - facing off against dragons and demons and all sorts of abominations with nothing but cold steel and bravery. That's way more awesome than slapping them on top of monsters of their own.

That was certainly the attraction of Brets to me. But if I want to make Brets these days, I've got a wealth of options from Historicals.

I've found that as I acquire plastic historicals from Perry and Fire Forge that I am more and more interested in some bad ass heroic style knights as well.

I really liked the idea posted earlier about Brets being a full on cavalry style force full of dudes on crazier and crazier mythical beasts. Would make for a fun army.

 akai wrote:
Today, I called in an order from my local retail store, Part of my order was boxes of Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowman in which the retailer did not had any at the store. He told me he is not sure if he can restock on that item and would let me know if he cannot get them.

I assume that means the 10 Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowmen boxes are either getting a repackaging of 20 per box or, in the worst case, one of the plastic kits that is not being remade.

Does he order from GW or a third party distributor?

 Kanluwen wrote:

 akai wrote:
Today, I called in an order from my local retail store, Part of my order was boxes of Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowman in which the retailer did not had any at the store. He told me he is not sure if he can restock on that item and would let me know if he cannot get them.

I assume that means the 10 Empire Hand-gunner/Crossbowmen boxes are either getting a repackaging of 20 per box or, in the worst case, one of the plastic kits that is not being remade.

Does he order from GW or a third party distributor?

I do not have that information.

 DarkBlack wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think the Brettonian problem was that the studio didn't know what to do with the army. A plastic grail knights and questing knights box would have been great, but what else would they add. The thing about Brettonians is that they are basically lots of Knights. Knights on foot doesn't really make sense. More peasents would just just dilute the essence of the army. I hope they take the time to make a new human faction loosely inspired by Bretonnia but with a bit more creative freedom. AOS let them make slayers ride monsters after all.

Historically; knights dismounted, guy in full plate with a big sword is effective.
Yes to crusader style spear and crossbow militias, so many crusades to go on too...

...isn't that all basically Empire?

History Is bad for Bretonnia. Historically the feudal nation next to the advanced renaissance nation doesn't do so well. Only going high fantasy with magic and monsters would've saved it.

Maybe the Brets will become Legion of the Damned and appear when needed...

Baron Klatz wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think the Brettonian problem was that the studio didn't know what to do with the army. A plastic grail knights and questing knights box would have been great, but what else would they add. The thing about Brettonians is that they are basically lots of Knights. Knights on foot doesn't really make sense. More peasents would just just dilute the essence of the army. I hope they take the time to make a new human faction loosely inspired by Bretonnia but with a bit more creative freedom. AOS let them make slayers ride monsters after all.

Historically; knights dismounted, guy in full plate with a big sword is effective.
Yes to crusader style spear and crossbow militias, so many crusades to go on too...

...isn't that all basically Empire?

History Is bad for Bretonnia. Historically the feudal nation next to the advanced renaissance nation doesn't do so well. Only going high fantasy with magic and monsters would've saved it.

The main difference would be that you have the romanticized high medieval/fantasy knights that are all about knightly virtues and honour; next to the gritty (approaching grimdark) empire that prioritizes survival and has dark realities like internal politics.

Baron Klatz wrote:

 DarkBlack wrote:

Chikout wrote:
I think the Brettonian problem was that the studio didn't know what to do with the army. A plastic grail knights and questing knights box would have been great, but what else would they add. The thing about Brettonians is that they are basically lots of Knights. Knights on foot doesn't really make sense. More peasents would just just dilute the essence of the army. I hope they take the time to make a new human faction loosely inspired by Bretonnia but with a bit more creative freedom. AOS let them make slayers ride monsters after all.

Historically; knights dismounted, guy in full plate with a big sword is effective.
Yes to crusader style spear and crossbow militias, so many crusades to go on too...

...isn't that all basically Empire?

History Is bad for Bretonnia. Historically the feudal nation next to the advanced renaissance nation doesn't do so well. Only going high fantasy with magic and monsters would've saved it.

It's a fantasy game, so real history needn't have effect. I am sure there is a way to adapt Bretonnians' look and feel into AoS. It's impossible that a design studio of 100+ people couldn't manage to think of an idea -- I got one in about two minutes -- so I presume that GW have decided they have too many armies and want to reduce them.

 Da Boss wrote:
There is a big market out there for Knights, just plain honest knights in armour fighting monsters. They're the badass normals of the setting - facing off against dragons and demons and all sorts of abominations with nothing but cold steel and bravery. That's way more awesome than slapping them on top of monsters of their own.

Yeah, just like the heroes Khorne. There is plenty of scope for heroes knights on horse or on foot.

That was certainly the attraction of Brets to me. But if I want to make Brets these days, I've got a wealth of options from Historicals.

and there you have the reason for GW to leave brettonians.

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Maybe the Brets will become Legion of the Damned and appear when needed...

...so never?

Given that all other armies have huge monsters and strong magic...or golden armors to fight with, I don't see the need for peasants to come in and help.

FW have updated their Monstrous Arcanum

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-monstrous-arcanum.pdf

The latest rumour from faeit is that all the brettonians will go last chance to buy from tomorrow. I am inclined to believe this one. The webstore should be reorganised at the same time. We should get an idea of the new factions then.

 reds8n wrote:
FW have updated their Monstrous Arcanum

https://www.forgeworld.co.uk/resources/PDF/fw_warscrolls/aos-monstrous-arcanum.pdf

Lots of cool stuff for destruction! Feels like your army just got a huge monster boost!

But no warscroll for the Warhammer Fire Dragon :(



I suppose I could use it with the Magma Dragon warscroll.

It's worth mentioning these are in the app too.

It covers all the stuff which was previously online/printed in Monstrous Arcanum and had models.

TIME TO FINISH MY MERWYRM! That blighter is nuts!

Problem with Brets for the glorious new age of sigmar is that a over the top high fantasy version bretonnian knights is more or less what we see in the stormcast eternals.

In this day and age though, the cool thing to do with knights is to make a Game of thrones rip of with distinct rivaling houses, suffering serfs and perhaps a special order of knights to fight of the undead.

Dont know who pitched the bretonia/GoT fusion, but I think its what GW should have done, IMO.

I don't think there's anything wrong with Brets in AoS and think they could be just as justified as any army. I think everything about which ranges stay and which go has to do with sales.

Well sales and needing space for future stock.

But yeah, Brets are rumored to go to the last chance on Saturday. Which is a far better fate compared to it looking like they were being sold out and forgotten.

Agreed to Stormcast being AoS Brets, the Brets were considered by some to be the space marines of fantasy. The hallowed knights are my main Stormcasts because they show the best in faith and honor which I associate with Bretonnia.

It'll be interesting to see what the future holds for the factions in AoS. Looking forward to the order alliance book and the website being restructured.

Can the Carmine Dragon be used as a mount?

I strangely like the rules...

I'll just leave this here, it's a long list ...

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/575

Order Exodus ^100

Seems like they are getting rid of all Human type knights. Possibly Empire/Brets will be a combined force of Humonians with new kits?

Holy cow! It's Lady Atia!

Awesome blog and great job with providing those awesome leaks!

 Uriels_Flame wrote:
Can the Carmine Dragon be used as a mount?

I strangely like the rules...

I don't think so, but there did used to be a character who came mounted on one? Lady Elspethe Von Draken I believe her name was.

Maybe she'll come back as a 'generic wizard on Carmine Dragon'?


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 Atia wrote:
I'll just leave this here, it's a long list ...

https://war-of-sigmar.herokuapp.com/bloggings/575

Order Exodus ^100

It kind of saddens me how accurate I was in my predictions.