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Not sure about the iOS one, but on the Android AoS app if you press and hold a warscroll in the list it gives you the option to delete it, and you can re-download.
Save the faff of clearing the cache.

RoperPG wrote:
Not sure about the iOS one, but on the Android AoS app if you press and hold a warscroll in the list it gives you the option to delete it, and you can re-download.
Save the faff of clearing the cache.

See, I tried that--but in the end it's just easier to delete/redownload the app for iOS.

It's working properly now.

I find it really odd that they have removed both of the elves heavy artillery bows, they are a bow sort of army, or were anyway. Do we think plastic replacements or just gone forever?

 daemonish wrote:
I find it really odd that they have removed both of the elves heavy artillery bows, they are a bow sort of army, or were anyway. Do we think plastic replacements or just gone forever?

The High Elf one was plastic, Dark Elf one was Finecast.

I'm thinking gone forever.

It's worth noting though that the two units that had 'mini-ballistae'(Skycutter Chariot and Scourgerunner Chariot) stuck around though. Skycutter is in the "Swiftfeather Agents" and Scourgerunner Chariot is in the "Scourge Privateers".

 Da Boss wrote:
There is a big market out there for Knights, just plain honest knights in armour fighting monsters. They're the badass normals of the setting - facing off against dragons and demons and all sorts of abominations with nothing but cold steel and bravery. That's way more awesome than slapping them on top of monsters of their own.

That was certainly the attraction of Brets to me. But if I want to make Brets these days, I've got a wealth of options from Historicals.

I just want to say this is also what made me love the Empire in OldHammer in the exact same way.


The Ground Marines and their bit about them being the only real force that can fight back, and that the normal humans in the setting are all just mercs who fight for gold, and will break when the fighting gets hard. It was just a slap to the face. I felt like my faction got thrown under the bus to make the new guys sound cooler. Separate from my issues with the game, it's the reason I have so many issues with the new setting. We're not allowed to have the badass Normals any more. Everything now has to be good super men and huge monsters fighting bad super men and huge monsters.

It realy misses the core of what actually made the fantasy setting so cool.

 Lockark wrote:
I just want to say this is also what made me love the Empire in OldHammer in the exact same way.


The Ground Marines and their bit about them being the only real force that can fight back, and that the normal humans in the setting are all just mercs who fight for gold, and will break when the fighting gets hard. It was just a slap to the face. I felt like my faction got thrown under the bus to make the new guys sound cooler. Separate from my issues with the game, it's the reason I have so many issues with the new setting. We're not allowed to have the badass Normals any more. Everything now has to be good super men and huge monsters fighting bad super men and huge monsters.

It realy misses the core of what actually made the fantasy setting so cool.

Yeah, feth this game now. Really I was waiting to see what I would be able to do with my Empire/ Bretonnians. Now I see that it's essentially nothing. I'd rather not play at all than play "poor money-grubbing buggers for the SUPER DUPER SIGMAR-FONDLING COOL KNIGHTS!!!!!1!!ONE" to pity and save. The fluff is just weak.

Uh, no? Where are you getting this normal human are mercs rubbish from?

It sounds like he is still using the rumors from when the game came out and everyone thought the red slayers were human mercenaries that fight for chaos if given enough gold. Which was wrong on several parts.

There's no fluff on the Free Guild yet so I'm not sure what he's getting at.

In anycase how are mercenaries weak? No one would've said that about the Dogs of War.

Not sure if your talking about me, but yes that is what I understood as the direction the humans were going in. I never bought any of the books because the game system itself doesn't appeal to me and the background for the sigmariens and such from what I had a gw employee explain to me so far doesn't sound that interesting.

The fact that the game has been out this long and the humans don't have ANY back story is kinda surprising. The fact no one has been talking about them, I assumed meant the merc thing was correct.

Whatever happened to Ellyrian Reavers? Not a HE player so I'm not up to date but I couldn't find them in either the last chance to buy or the new factions

 Lord Corellia wrote:

 Lockark wrote:
I just want to say this is also what made me love the Empire in OldHammer in the exact same way.


The Ground Marines and their bit about them being the only real force that can fight back, and that the normal humans in the setting are all just mercs who fight for gold, and will break when the fighting gets hard. It was just a slap to the face. I felt like my faction got thrown under the bus to make the new guys sound cooler. Separate from my issues with the game, it's the reason I have so many issues with the new setting. We're not allowed to have the badass Normals any more. Everything now has to be good super men and huge monsters fighting bad super men and huge monsters.

It realy misses the core of what actually made the fantasy setting so cool.

Yeah, feth this game now. Really I was waiting to see what I would be able to do with my Empire/ Bretonnians. Now I see that it's essentially nothing. I'd rather not play at all than play "poor money-grubbing buggers for the SUPER DUPER SIGMAR-FONDLING COOL KNIGHTS!!!!!1!!ONE" to pity and save. The fluff is just weak.

good bye, you won't be missed.

motski wrote:
Whatever happened to Ellyrian Reavers? Not a HE player so I'm not up to date but I couldn't find them in either the last chance to buy or the new factions

Seems they're gone. Pretty sure the only place to get them was in the last WFB starter set?

Throwing out all the old models has one upside. I think it means they will probably release something besides Sigmarines & Chaos and Chaos & Sigmarines (and the occasional something else). They have to diversify the range a bit more and I filled with a morbid curiosity about how the elves or regular humans will look like (or at least how the new imagined models will look like) especially with the slightly increased scale.

Here's a question: How's that supposed to work for these armies. I haven't kept up to date with AoS but Sigmarines got new models for each unit/character entry. They are a completely new army so that was easy, no transition there. The new Chaos got new miniatures for new units while the old chaos stuff is just the one old list (where everything got thrown in) that probably never will get an update. Is that correct? Would it be fair to say that faction wise the old chaos and the new releases (with the slightly bigger miniatures) are a bit (just a bit) like two different factions?

Would it work similar for the other factions? When they release new factions will they also get completely new lists/warscrolls for new and slightly bigger miniatures while keeping some of the old miniatures? It looks like the new elves/humans (what is left after they discontinue all the mentioned stuff) are just what they want to keep selling until they get to reimagining them?

The end game is to consolidate and revamp all factions until they have the breadth of armies they want, isn't it? They want to have completely new miniatures for all the lists/warscrolls with anything old not really discontinued completely but just hidden away a bit (or, worst case, used as proxies for whatever new stuff they invent by people who can't let go of the old stuff).

The old chaos and new chaos all work together well. My khorne army of the starter box figures + khorne daemons and clan rats all fit together.

The "armies" are more factionized than ever. There are the four big alliances, but within that are several if not dozens of smaller factions. And beyond that you don't even need to stick to the alliances.

I don't think they're going to go back to making a new version of a kit that already exists*. Instead they're just going to make new things. I would suspect that a kit's life will be as long as it sells decently enough and is worth keeping on the shelf. I don't think they're hiding old stuff so much. In fact, Pestilens got its own dedicated battletome and all rebased.

*Edit: just realized they did precisely that basically this week with the new Bloodbound characters! But those are more alternate versions than new.

The difference to me is that regular Empire knight had no chance against a Chaos Warrior, as the fluff had it. Empire knights would need to surround and pound a Chaos Warrior. In singles combat, a Chaos Warrior could fight an entire squadron of knights- all day, every day. Super normal named dudes couldn't withstand Chaos.

As the Warhammer online cinematic trailer showed(and I'm taking liberties) : A Warpriest of Sigmar was one of the most determined people the Empire had to offer up in the fight with Chaos. And as that trailer showed, he got battered by a nameless Chaos Warrior. Chaos Warriors only need to survive, Warpriests had to lead an entire faith into battle.

In the fluff, a handful of Chaos Warriors(can't remember how many exactly) killed an entire dwarven fortresses worth of Dwarfs. Had to be buried to be stopped. Chaos Warriors are immortal warrior near-demigods. The Empire was crumbling/being devoured for good reasons.

Can't say I ever cared about any of the now oop models.

I think the other thing with the GA: thingy books is that it's not a continuation of what went before.
Fluff-wise, there's a time span of a few thousand years between the legacy units and what they are now. The humorous rules have largely gone, keywords have been changed, in some cases models have switched 'faction' completely. These are the extant model range as they are 'now', with a basic roadmap of the factions involved.
Not that that'll cheer anyone up at all, just an observation.

@JNC, Yeah, if orcs were based off the Hulk then I think the chaos warriors got inspiration from Juggernaut. (There's actual a Juggernaut form that's covered in spikes and looks like chaos, oh, and his background is that he's empowered by a demon god and is basically immortal while worshipping him)

It was never about winning anyway. The forces of Order were always just trying to slow down the inevitable. It was gods vs mortals, not much to actual achieve on that war front but survival.

Now thinking about it, there's no difference in the new SigMarines as a concept introduction -vs- Chaos Warriors. Chaos Warriors are Chaos Marines. Warhammer Fantasy has been a farce all along. GW needs a time machine to fix this 40K wannabe game.

I guess you are being less than entirely serious Jnc but Gav Thorpe mentioned in his blog that space marines were created as sf versions of the fantasy chaos warriors which were very popular at the time.
On topic, only a day or so until we see Orruk pictures. Anyone excited?

JNC wrote:
Now thinking about it, there's no difference in the new SigMarines as a concept introduction -vs- Chaos Warriors. Chaos Warriors are Chaos Marines. Warhammer Fantasy has been a farce all along. GW needs a time machine to fix this 40K wannabe game.

No. They need just a bunch of good ruledesigners and that the management stays away from messing that part up. The sculptors they have atm, are mostly mediocre at best. The rulewriters are crazy and don`t have a clue, whats going on with their own rules.
They have to re-think, re-work and hire the right people. And they need a better strategy. CADing the same stuff over and over again and write rules in the lunchbreak for that like with AoS doesn`t cut it. Deleting whole gamesystems and factions because they are messed up either.
They need to change much more and in a smart way. Not with the sledgehammer, like atm.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

JNC wrote:
Now thinking about it, there's no difference in the new SigMarines as a concept introduction -vs- Chaos Warriors. Chaos Warriors are Chaos Marines. Warhammer Fantasy has been a farce all along. GW needs a time machine to fix this 40K wannabe game.

No. They need just a bunch of good ruledesigners and that the management stays away from messing that part up. The sculptors they have atm, are mostly mediocre at best. The rulewriters are crazy and don`t have a clue, whats going on with their own rules.
They have to re-think, re-work and hire the right people. And they need a better strategy. CADing the same stuff over and over again and write rules in the lunchbreak for that like with AoS doesn`t cut it. Deleting whole gamesystems and factions because they are messed up either.
They need to change much more and in a smart way. Not with the sledgehammer, like atm.

So, maybe go back in time and fix it?


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Chikout wrote:
I guess you are being less than entirely serious Jnc but Gav Thorpe mentioned in his blog that space marines were created as sf versions of the fantasy chaos warriors which were very popular at the time.
On topic, only a day or so until we see Orruk pictures. Anyone excited?

Not serious.

I really have no dog in the fight. It's always been give-and-take with GW, for me. I don't know who Gav Thorpe is, or think Chaos Warriors as Chaos Marines was even remotely bright. If GW ever makes perfect rules and perfect models I'll be happy, too.

 Ankhalagon wrote:

JNC wrote:
Now thinking about it, there's no difference in the new SigMarines as a concept introduction -vs- Chaos Warriors. Chaos Warriors are Chaos Marines. Warhammer Fantasy has been a farce all along. GW needs a time machine to fix this 40K wannabe game.

No. They need just a bunch of good ruledesigners and that the management stays away from messing that part up. The sculptors they have atm, are mostly mediocre at best. The rulewriters are crazy and don`t have a clue, whats going on with their own rules.
They have to re-think, re-work and hire the right people. And they need a better strategy. CADing the same stuff over and over again and write rules in the lunchbreak for that like with AoS doesn`t cut it. Deleting whole gamesystems and factions because they are messed up either.
They need to change much more and in a smart way. Not with the sledgehammer, like atm.

I don't even think it is humanly possible to exults this enough......

AOS is a dog in the cat box. Not only is it unplayable, it is a gak joke, peeing in the face of the Fantasy player. GW is so corporate that they do not even know their audience, market, or product. They are so clueless that it is not even funny how bad this so called "replacement" had fallen off of the tracks that it is not even seriously considered.

Hate to say it, but.... GW is the Emperor with no clothes. CALL THEM ON THIS GAK, and boycott the craptastic products for what they are.. complete misses.

@Chikout, oh, looking forward to that!

Also, pre-ordered the Order book so that's also something cool.

@Grot 6, whoops! Failed the boycott, I already ordered more Stormcast. Better luck next time, eh?

I don't hold any hope that GW will diversify the AoS range as much as WHFB. The purpose of AoS is partly to reduce the range of SKUs that GW have to design, produce and stock. That's why for example, nearly all the Sigmarine kits are basically the same model with a different weapon or hat. Reduced design costs.

I think it's extremely unlikely GW will ever replace all the legacy kits that are going OOP. At best, we might eventually see some replacements for things like the older Lizard Man kits, but even then, GW would do better to produce more Sigmarines and new Chaos stuff, especially big kits.

It's not the models but this looks likes 40K coloring. I'm sure someone used it, I just haven't seen seen it before in fantasy. From today.

I wonder if one of the kits release for the O&G wave will be forest goblins on foot. When you think about it, if they want to discontinue the ordinary gobbos, and give a more feral look to the faction, they would make sense.

 streetsamurai wrote:
I wonder if one of the kits release for the O&G wave will be forest goblins on foot. When you think about it, if they want to discontinue the ordinary gobbos, and give a more feral look to the faction, they would make sense.

I can see your reasoning but I don't think it's likely. Out of the new releases for AoS so far nothing has been on a 25mm base (only repackaged stuff) - same applies for the End Times. Only big stuff. (Every release for the End Times was at least on a 40mm Square).

I'm not convinced they'll ever make small stuff again, sadly.

Also lots of the cuts in Order seemed to be cutting down the SKUs - I don't think we really need multiple boxes of 'Goblins w/ Spears or Bows'. If the Forest goblins get some new models I would imagine it to be giant spiders somewhere in-between an araknarok and the basic giant spider.

Medium spiders would be good but foot savage gobbos would be a dream to work with. But I think what we really need is plastic squigs that double as squig hoppers.
Im just expecting loads of plastic characters which we also need.

I heard Forrest goblins and was drawn here :p
If they release them the I'll be interested, much like if they update the squigs into a plastic kit.

Only worry is they will drop the mangler, which is an amazing sculpt but due to being failcast, it says and bends under its own weight.

Just a bit sad of some of the great stuff they are killing off.
Hopefully it's gets a new image or re-done n some way.


Either way, I jumped on the sigmarine band waggon as I know they won't get changed and its safe.
Don't wanna carry on with my lizards until I know they are safe now.

They released the seraphon book.
Pretty sure your lizards are safe