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So a lot of older units are coming out with newer base sizes, such as Space Marines in the Get-started box set, moving up from a 25mm base size to a 32mm one. Would I have to re-base all of my models to the new sizes, or are the old ones still usable? Would I be allowed to mix models and have units with two different base sizes? What about daemons, some have the old WHFB square bases while some of them have round 25mm ones, and otehrs the new 32mm ones?
The rules assume you use the bases the models were supplied with or allow you to use whatever sensible base size you'd like, (and I quote) using models of a similar type as guidance.
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Yeah no one can dictate that you rebase. I much prefer the new 32mm, but there's absolutely no way I'm spending time and money rebasing armies that are based and finished on 25mm. Mixed bases is absolutely fine, as long as you aren't using sizes that the model has never been supplied with.
At this point, you can probably use whatever base size you want that does look good. We have Marines on different bases, the Deathwatch biker has a different base size then all other bikers, Genestealer Patriarch has different models with different base sizes, we have a Space Wolf character in PA on 40mm...
The rules don't explicitly say you have to change bases. however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models. As the new models are being produced with the larger 32mm base it could be argued that your required to change them, especially given the fact that the models themselves are the same.
Many people will say otherwise for a variety of reasons but ultimately this is my take on it. That aside if you have base sizes different from what is currently being produced with a model that would be a conversion and you should make your opponent aware of it prior to sitting down to a game.
Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
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Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
the rules assume that models are supplied on the base they are supplied with.
Means that the rules are for models with the bases they came with, or the rules for the book are based around the models with the bases those models came with. So if you are rebasing to a different base size your models do not have a rules set to follow.
Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
the rules assume that models are supplied on the base they are supplied with.
Means that the rules are for models with the bases they came with, or the rules for the book are based around the models with the bases those models came with. So if you are rebasing to a different base size your models do not have a rules set to follow.
So tell me, what base does a kitbashed Space Marine Captain with a dynamic pose goes on? 25mm like up until recently every Space Marine in PA? 32mm like most PA Space Marines now? Or 40mm like Krom Dragongaze, because the pose is so very dynamic?
I think we can all agree that the intention of the rules is not that the game comes to a crashing halt when I field my Assassin on 25mm base because "[my] models do not have a rules set to follow."
Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
the rules assume that models are supplied on the base they are supplied with.
Means that the rules are for models with the bases they came with, or the rules for the book are based around the models with the bases those models came with. So if you are rebasing to a different base size your models do not have a rules set to follow.
So tell me, what base does a kitbashed Space Marine Captain with a dynamic pose goes on? 25mm like up until recently every Space Marine in PA? 32mm like most PA Space Marines now? Or 40mm like Krom Dragongaze, because the pose is so very dynamic?
You simply use similar models to pick your base. In that sense, 25mmm, 32mm and 40mm would all be appropriate as you've just pointed to three different similar models. 60mm, for example, would not be appropriate.
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Exactly as Kriswall said. As long as the base size is reasonable, it doesn't really matter. Just don't try to put Guants on 60mm or a DreadKnights on a 40mm
Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
the rules assume that models are supplied on the base they are supplied with.
Means that the rules are for models with the bases they came with, or the rules for the book are based around the models with the bases those models came with. So if you are rebasing to a different base size your models do not have a rules set to follow.
So tell me, what base does a kitbashed Space Marine Captain with a dynamic pose goes on? 25mm like up until recently every Space Marine in PA? 32mm like most PA Space Marines now? Or 40mm like Krom Dragongaze, because the pose is so very dynamic?
You simply use similar models to pick your base. In that sense, 25mmm, 32mm and 40mm would all be appropriate as you've just pointed to three different similar models. 60mm, for example, would not be appropriate.
Obeliske wrote: however they do say you have to use the bases provided with the models.
No, they don't say that.
"The rules in this book assume that models are mounted on the base they are supplied with. Sometimes, a player may have models in his collection on unusually modelled bases. Some models aren't supplied with a base at all. In these cases (which are, in all fairness, relatively few and far between), you should always feel free to mount the model on a base of appropriate size if you wish, using models of a similiar type as guidance."
They only say that the rules assume that, for simplicity's sake. It's not a rule. It even says, that some players don't follow that, but have unusually modelled bases (whatever that means).
Take a recent plastic Space Marine, maybe you bought him from Ebay without a base. So appropriate base sizes (using models of a similiar type as guidance) would be: 25mm, 32mm, 40mm.
Choose one and hope your opponent and the trounament next door are okay with that. But in the end, it's up to you, because there is no definitive rule.
the rules assume that models are supplied on the base they are supplied with.
Means that the rules are for models with the bases they came with, or the rules for the book are based around the models with the bases those models came with. So if you are rebasing to a different base size your models do not have a rules set to follow.
So tell me, what base does a kitbashed Space Marine Captain with a dynamic pose goes on? 25mm like up until recently every Space Marine in PA? 32mm like most PA Space Marines now? Or 40mm like Krom Dragongaze, because the pose is so very dynamic?
You simply use similar models to pick your base. In that sense, 25mmm, 32mm and 40mm would all be appropriate as you've just pointed to three different similar models. 60mm, for example, would not be appropriate.
That was my point
Yup, and my point is that there is no single appropriate base to use for many models. Some, sure, but others... not so much. Space Marine Dreadnoughts are pretty much always going to be mounted on a 60mm base. Current range Terminators are pretty much always going to be on 40mm bases.
The issue, for many people, is when a current range model has a different base size from a previous version. If you have the older model, most people seem to agree that you can either use the older (generally smaller) base that the model was supplied with (as the rules assume you will) OR use whatever the newer iteration comes with. Let's say you bought some ghetto old Terminators from the discount bin at a seldom visited gaming store. The rules assume you will be using the 25mm bases that the models are supplied with. Alternately, most people would generally be ok with you using the 40mm bases that the newer version is supplied with. Old models don't tend to be the problem...
New models are the problem. This came up with the recent Officio Assassinorum models. The older, out of print versions were all supplied with 25mm bases. The newer, in print versions are supplied with 40mm bases. The rules assume that the old ones will be mounted on 25mm bases while the new ones will use 40mm bases. Most people seem to be ok with the idea of mounting the older Assassins on the newer 40mm bases. After all, looking at the current range, the most appropriate base size (the only one available to any current model) for an Officio Assassinorum Assassin is 40mm. Most people seem generally not ok with mounting a newer model on a 25mm base for the same reason. It's hard to look at the current range and make an argument that 25mm is a reasonable base size for models that are ONLY available with 40mm bases.
The Space Marine Captain is an odd case because Marines in Power Armour come with a variety of bases. There are currently available PA Marines sold with 25mm bases,, 32mm bases, 40mm bases and Bike bases (the Biker Marines!). Any of those can be appropriate, depending on Wargear.
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Another basing issue that comes up often is Khorne FleshHounds. Originally the models only came on rectangle cavalry bases. For 40k players who dislike squared bases, that left 2 choice: 40mm round, or the long rounded biker bases. The long base looks silly for my Chaos Warhounds, so I chose 40mm rounds. Then the KDK book dropped and now they are sold on 50mm, which is WAY too dang big.
So I still use the 40mm rounds.
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