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**kb_lock**

A sleep longer than 4 hours would do it

**Guildenstern**

what allseeingskink said

**Klaus von Groehm**

Oh yeah, finally this topic again! It's been a few weeks since it was discussed to death last time.

**Reptile(5iN)**

Iechine wrote:
Reptile(5iN) wrote:
My main gripe is these 'Commision Painters' that do armies, mega quick, sell them to people who probably can't afford their own airbrush and they just look the same...

So youre upset that there are commission studios who provide a service that people want and pay money for? Thats the long and short of it?

I dont know if youre aware of what the going rate for getting an army painted by some of the more well known studios is, but its definitely more than the cost of a good airbrush and compressor setup.

No, you're trying to make it sound like I'm hating on commission painters. I think it's becoming clear to me that a particular studio just bugs me with their work and how boring it is.

For a whole army maybe, but a squad here and there every few months? Really? That's not sarcasm btw, I've never discussed commision prices.

Desubot wrote:
Reptile(5iN) wrote:
All valid points, thanks for your input. I think I may just have gripe with one particular studio... I saw one of their new armies on facebook about half an hour ago and the work is so poor, on one figure you can see that a gun has a part sprayed with the colour used on the hand.

Thanks for the link Ghaz

One bad Airbrush job doesnt make all airbrush work bad

"not all airbrushs"

I personally hate the over done OSL and sloppy contrast work. but damnit if it isnt nice for painting large amounts of yellow and varnishing without the risk of frosting.

As I said, I just dislike the studio I'm referring to. I agree with with you. Still, sloppy work is sloppy work! :p

**AllSeeingSkink**

So stop looking at that studio?

I'm not seeing the problem. There's a plethora of people who don't paint models that I like to look at.... so I don't. Doesn't mean there's not someone else who does like it or is happy to pay a commission painter to paint in that fashion.

The responses to this thread may sound a bit harsh, but it is because your title is rather inflammatory on a discussion that has been repeated more often than it deserves.

**Reptile(5iN)**

Klaus von Groehm wrote:
Oh yeah, finally this topic again! It's been a few weeks since it was discussed to death last time.

If this topic has come up before, oh well. I wasn't around for it.

I don't go looking for this studio's work, why would I if it bugs me? Yeah, the title could have been better but I was a bit miffed at the time of typing and was unsure of naming names.

Apologies.

**Bishop F Gantry**

Reptile(5iN) wrote:
It's been a very long while since I last posted anything on these forums, and this is a thought that I have had for a long time now but can't recall seeing any threads about it...

I've been into 40k since 1995 and I still have my first miniature! My god does it look awful with its 12 layers of paint, but hey, it's a big learning curve for a kid of 10 years old at that point... I'm 31 now, I've had a few breaks from the hobby but each time that I've come back, my painting has become more and more refined which has won me a few local and GW store competitions. I've practiced a lot, trial and error, honed my skills and have become a pretty good painter.

Now a days I see some commission painters that knock armies out left right and centre that are purely airbrushed, as a collective photo of each army, don't get me wrong but it looks pretty good... However, when you look at the individual figures, they're pretty naff... sure you can do a quick glow and a spot highlight for some metallic parts in next to no time but, it just looks off. You can clearly see a big green circle with a slightly smaller, slightly lighter green circle inside that and one final brighter circle. There's no skill in that, there's no blending, there's no trial and error, there's no stumbling across a new paint effect. You do usually get some edge highlighting, of poor quality mostly though imo...

Of course there are some exquisite users of airbrushes, that do intricate work and finish of with a brush, such as faces and freehand designs, hair etc. That's great, I'm all for that. My main gripe is these 'Commision Painters' that do armies, mega quick, sell them to people who probably can't afford their own airbrush and they just look the same, there's no individuality to them. It's just the same generic paint scheme, with some of the worst OSL I've ever seen, on everything, changing colours to what they think looks cool.

I doubt I'm allowed to mention names or companies but hopefully some of you know who I mean. It just bugs me that some people think that everything these people produce is better than they could ever achieve... You can't be great over night...

Thoughts?

Im sure you can find plenty of hack jobs that involves regular brushes aswell with subpar finish.

**Badablack**

Bad airbrushing is bad drybrushing is bad OSLing is bad washing is bad weathering, etc etc.

All are sins in the eyes of the Paint God, looking down in disappointment from his sable hair throne.

**Snorrarcisco**

I like the "speed" you get to do certain things but in the end i do go over with the brush not just airbrush. I have nothing agaisnt people paying for the service, kinda annoys me when you go to an event and someone wins a "best painted army" with something they bought/paid for and pretend its theirs. That bugs me but hey not me paying for it.

My first ever airbrush work was the one attached. Took me ages to get it done and being Nurgle a lot is very forgiving. I hated the legs over done rust which ended up looking rubbish so i then covered most with that mud texture paint from GW. Was I pleased with the rest? Yes I was had tons of fun and some hair pulling when paint dried up in the brush!!!

**Crazyterran**

I'm going to use my airbrush to base coat all of my marines blue, thus ensuring I never have to spend a night base coating a handful of dudes again.

I also plan on mostly painting my IKs with the Airbrush, as painting IKs by hand is the devil. Trust me, I've done two of them by hand. >.> only 4 more to go...

**eosgreen**

here is an incredible paintjob with an airbrush. http://www.coolminiornot.com/289585?browseid=2194324

i want anyone who cares enough to also look at his slayer sword winning piece. imo the troll skin looks really bad (for this kind of award)

to me a good brush job trumps an airbrush ten fold

**chromedog**

It's a tool, like your chewed stick or trowel - nothing more, nothing less.

It's no more cheating than an oil painter using a pallet knife or worse than a watercolorist using washes.

**Klaus von Groehm**

**AllSeeingSkink**

eosgreen wrote:
here is an incredible paintjob with an airbrush. http://www.coolminiornot.com/289585?browseid=2194324

Are you sure that's airbrushed? I mean maybe the basecoat was airbrushed, but the blends don't look airbrushed to me. The way the blending has a texture to it makes it look like it's hairy brush painted (and that's certainly not a slight, it obviously looks incredible, it's just not an effect that is easily done by airbrush). Also the way some of the blends come to a point is damned near impossible to do with an airbrush (unless I'm mistaken on the size of the model and it's actually much larger than I'm thinking).

That was done by Raffaele Picca, he's an insanely good figure painter. If anyone could do that paintjob with either an airbrush or a hairy brush, he could. But to me it looks hairy brushed.

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/picster

Either way, he's not a man you get to paint you an army of poorly sculpted GW Spehss Mareenz though

**Desubot**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
here is an incredible paintjob with an airbrush. http://www.coolminiornot.com/289585?browseid=2194324
Are you sure that's airbrushed? I mean maybe the basecoat was airbrushed, but the blends don't look airbrushed to me. The way the blending has a texture to it makes it look like it's hairy brush painted (and that's certainly not a slight, it obviously looks incredible, it's just not an effect that is easily done by airbrush). Also the way some of the blends come to a point is damned near impossible to do with an airbrush (unless I'm mistaken on the size of the model and it's actually much larger than I'm thinking).

That was done by Raffaele Picca, he's an insanely good figure painter. If anyone could do that paintjob with either an airbrush or a hairy brush, he could. But to me it looks hairy brushed.

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/picster

Either way, he's not a man you get to paint you an army of poorly sculpted GW Spehss Mareenz though

It might be. but 99% sure its not all airbrush

IIRC alot of it is also dayglow pigment powder which looks awesome.

**Talys**

Reptile(5iN) wrote:

Now a days I see some commission painters that knock armies out left right and centre that are purely airbrushed, as a collective photo of each army, don't get me wrong but it looks pretty good... However, when you look at the individual figures, they're pretty naff...

I don't want to sound hostile or purely argumentative (neither not my intention), but isn't that the whole point of a "tabletop standard" army -- an army painted well enough that collectively, on a gaming table, they look decent?

It just all comes down to Joey wants to play, and doesn't like to paint, so (a) what's the minimum he can paint to play, or (b) what's the minimum he can pay to have miniatures painted to play. I don't really have anything against studios that knock off armies that aren't really anything special, because the alternative is that their customers often would play with models that are painted much worse than those airbrush jobs. It's certainly not the studio's fault that Joey doesn't want to pay for 15 hours x 50 models...

By the way, in terms of time spent painting, this model that I just finished is like, 95% airbrush and drybrush (the other 5% is basecoat of areas that required clean lines). There are just some effects that are impossible without an airbrush. Not hard -- actually, not possible. And a lot of areas that would have taken a zillion times longer and eaten some bristled brushes. Even most of the washes are done through an airbrush.

Spoiler:

**TheCustomLime**

I think bad airbrush jobs are bad. I think the "airbrushed look" is overdone. But then again there are a lot more mediocre paintjobs done using a regular paint brush so... More of a problem with the artist than the tool.

**eosgreen**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
eosgreen wrote:
here is an incredible paintjob with an airbrush. http://www.coolminiornot.com/289585?browseid=2194324
Are you sure that's airbrushed? I mean maybe the basecoat was airbrushed, but the blends don't look airbrushed to me. The way the blending has a texture to it makes it look like it's hairy brush painted (and that's certainly not a slight, it obviously looks incredible, it's just not an effect that is easily done by airbrush). Also the way some of the blends come to a point is damned near impossible to do with an airbrush (unless I'm mistaken on the size of the model and it's actually much larger than I'm thinking).

That was done by Raffaele Picca, he's an insanely good figure painter. If anyone could do that paintjob with either an airbrush or a hairy brush, he could. But to me it looks hairy brushed.

http://www.puttyandpaint.com/picster

Either way, he's not a man you get to paint you an army of poorly sculpted GW Spehss Mareenz though

yes there is brush work but im referring to the troll. the troll in his gallery is airbrushed a lot and it looks bad. the demon does look airbrushed to me in a lot of areas. as to the demon there is brush work but i believe the larger area blends are done with an airbrush as it doesnt look at all like brushwork ive seen and then veins and other things are added with a hair brush

**OgreChubbs**

Shouldnt a MoD shut this topic down considering the OP just keeps saying he hates another members paint style over and over again. Member bashing isnt allowed is it?

**chaosmarauder**

eosgreen wrote:
here is an incredible paintjob with an airbrush. http://www.coolminiornot.com/289585?browseid=2194324

i want anyone who cares enough to also look at his slayer sword winning piece. imo the troll skin looks really bad (for this kind of award)

to me a good brush job trumps an airbrush ten fold

You can achieve that look and even better if you want with a brush.

Check out this guy - amazing and just uses layering/glazing mostly for smooth transitions

https://www.youtube.com/user/paintingbuddha

You would swear he uses an airbrush and he doesn't

**eosgreen**

yeh ive seen painting budah. he does technique tutorial videos and most of what i have seen is not super high level as its mean to teach. the stormcast eternals for example are imo really low level stuff but its not meant to be top notch. its just a tutorial about a technique.

you can't see close up to the models so its hard to say how good it really is but i would never call any of painting buddahs demonstrations on par with this demon or the stuff this guy does.

edit - honestly pictures are generally really bad at seeing how smooth a transition is. my latest model the NMM looks flawless godlike in the pic but in person an inch away from the model you can see flaws. to me a slayer sword of crystal brush winner has blends so good you can't see any transition anywhere no matter how close you look (with human eyes)

**Reptile(5iN)**

OgreChubbs wrote:
Shouldnt a MoD shut this topic down considering the OP just keeps saying he hates another members paint style over and over again. Member bashing isnt allowed is it?

I've not said the word hate once, I said 'gripe', and that it bugs me. I've not named anyone and neither has anyone else?

I voiced and opinion on a discussion board. I've had my title pointed out as misleading, which I apologised for.

This thread can be closed if a MOD deems it, but it won't be for 'member bashing'..... Giggity...

**kb_lock**

Great thread

**AllSeeingSkink**

kb_lock wrote:
Great thread

It was teetering on the edge from the original post now I think it's fallen off and plummeting to the jagged rocks below.

**RayND**

JimOnMars wrote:
This has nothing to do with the airbrush. If he had used a brush and made the same mistake, would your title be "Does anyone else think that paintbrushing is bad? " ?

People do this for drybrushing and other techniques all the time. Stop thinking of the attack being based on airbrushes, but airbrushing as a technique and you will see his point instead of dismissing him as an airbrush hater.

**kb_lock**

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
kb_lock wrote:
Great thread
It was teetering on the edge from the original post now I think it's fallen off and plummeting to the jagged rocks below.

I am just impressed that my 8am migraine rant isn't the gakkest thing about the thread

**sockwithaticket**

RayND wrote:
JimOnMars wrote:
This has nothing to do with the airbrush. If he had used a brush and made the same mistake, would your title be "Does anyone else think that paintbrushing is bad? " ?

People do this for drybrushing and other techniques all the time. Stop thinking of the attack being based on airbrushes, but airbrushing as a technique and you will see his point instead of dismissing him as an airbrush hater.

Airbrushing isn't a technique, though. There are techniques (plural) that you can employ with an airbrush that maybe he doesn't like, but the brush itself is simply a tool as has been stated many times already in this redundant thread.

**Reptile(5iN)**

RayND wrote:
JimOnMars wrote:
This has nothing to do with the airbrush. If he had used a brush and made the same mistake, would your title be "Does anyone else think that paintbrushing is bad? " ?

People do this for drybrushing and other techniques all the time. Stop thinking of the attack being based on airbrushes, but airbrushing as a technique and you will see his point instead of dismissing him as an airbrush hater.

At least someone gets where I'm coming from, thank you.

**ScootyPuffJunior**

Reptile(5iN) wrote:
RayND wrote:
JimOnMars wrote:
This has nothing to do with the airbrush. If he had used a brush and made the same mistake, would your title be "Does anyone else think that paintbrushing is bad? " ?

People do this for drybrushing and other techniques all the time. Stop thinking of the attack being based on airbrushes, but airbrushing as a technique and you will see his point instead of dismissing him as an airbrush hater.

At least someone gets where I'm coming from, thank you.

So you don't like a particular style? Did that really need an entire thread with an inflammatory title?

Probably not.

**Reptile(5iN)**

ScootyPuffJunior wrote:
Reptile(5iN) wrote:
RayND wrote:
JimOnMars wrote:
This has nothing to do with the airbrush. If he had used a brush and made the same mistake, would your title be "Does anyone else think that paintbrushing is bad? " ?

People do this for drybrushing and other techniques all the time. Stop thinking of the attack being based on airbrushes, but airbrushing as a technique and you will see his point instead of dismissing him as an airbrush hater.

At least someone gets where I'm coming from, thank you.

So you don't like a particular style? Did that really need an entire thread with an inflammatory title?

Probably not.

Other people are keeping this thread going, I'm bored of it and responses like yours, if a mod sees this can you please lock it?

Did you read the entire thread and see that I quite quickly came to terms realising what I actually didn't like?

Also see me apologise for the misleading title?

Probably not.