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Deadawake1347 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...

1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.

2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.

Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.

I was able to grab a Lizardman team (inc. Krox) when they went up on Made to Order. While I don't mind small Skinks - they are Stunty after all - the Saurus are the same size or smaller than the new Human team, which is a little worrying...

EvgO wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:


You said you wished they'd release more teams so your friends can update your models.... tell your friends to learn to convert.

I'd rather they put some effort in to fill out the teams they've already released.

I'm sorry, but this is obnoxious. I started a league with seven of my friends, six of whom have never painted or assembled a mini before.
Not everyone is ready to blow a ton of money to sit and cut and glue for hours afterwards.

New teams are a huge deal and entry point and I'm glad GW recognizes this.

I'm glad you noticed it was obnoxious, it was intentionally supposed to be because the poster I was quoting said to me...

 Breotan wrote:
....learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

Obviously anything can be converted! It's just personally I'd like to see them fill out existing teams rather than venture in to further teams when most other teams can actually be converted reasonably easily.

But realistically it's unlikely that new teams (mass produced plastic kits by GW) use the same resources as booster packs (resin kits from FW).

I think booster packs probably consume very little of GW's manpower, given I have bought the FW Skaven booster I can see it was just recast straight off a 3D print, whereas plastic models need to have a whole metal mould machined which is a more expensive and manpower consuming process.

Either way GW aren't releasing new teams at a tremendous rate. If you want to get your friends in to the game I suggest you tell them to start one of the existing teams or buy a 3rd party team. Good 3rd party options exist for several teams, and other teams aren't hard to convert from existing GW models. Lizardmen are one of the few I think have pretty poor options so I'd love for GW to fill that hole.

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 Dysartes wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

Deadawake1347 wrote:
I would absolutely buy a new Lizardman team, especially if done in the style of the (relatively in comparison to every other sarus sculprlt) recent Carnosaur sculpt. I found a 3rd party one that's okay, but but just isn't as good.

Yeah the Star Player Lizardmen look nice but they are...

1. Insanely expensive, they're 2 to 3 times the price of a GW team even when you take into account the Kroxigor. You can add shipping to that because GW teams most people can get without paying for shipping but the Star Player ones you only get free shipping if you're both in Europe and spending over 120 euro.

2. They're tiny. They look good but when you see them on the website those are 25mm bases they're mounted on and they still look small on them.

Hah! Those were actually exactly the ones I was looking at, and you're absolutely right on both accounts. Honestly I'd just convert my own, but the current Saurus range looks terrible, aside from the one from the Carnosaur box. I'd settle for three sculpts of each Saurus and Skink players. Sure you'd end up with duplicates... But who cares when the next best option has the Saurus the same size or smaller than the human team? I would much, much rather them get all the teams out there and then go back and make alternate sculpts, rather than have some teams just left out.

I was able to grab a Lizardman team (inc. Krox) when they went up on Made to Order. While I don't mind small Skinks - they are Stunty after all - the Saurus are the same size or smaller than the new Human team, which is a little worrying...

I was never overly impressed with GW's attempt at Blood Bowl Lizardmen and they haven't aged well IMO. If you play the BB video game the Lizardmen look awesome, if GW released a Lizard team with the same aesthetic I'd be all over it.

Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........

I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.

Shades pure is getting card sleeves, will GW have a brainfart and do some for other games like Bloodbowl? Proabably not...

 Rayvon wrote:
Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........

I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.

I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.

So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........

I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.

I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.

So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.

I mean, they did say that the 'big deal' with regards to these is the modular face masks.

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Rayvon wrote:
Not a fan of the elves being nine pieces each, we go from almost mono pose to this........

I will pass, I hope that the WE and High elves will be easier to assemble when they eventually arrive in a few years time.

I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.

So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.

Maybe future proofing for add-on bits from FW to make it easier to sell n+1 upgrade packs?

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm glad you noticed it was obnoxious, it was intentionally supposed to be because the poster I was quoting said to me...

 Breotan wrote:
....learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

Obviously anything can be converted! It's just personally I'd like to see them fill out existing teams rather than venture in to further teams when most other teams can actually be converted reasonably easily.

But realistically it's unlikely that new teams (mass produced plastic kits by GW) use the same resources as booster packs (resin kits from FW).

I think booster packs probably consume very little of GW's manpower, given I have bought the FW Skaven booster I can see it was just recast straight off a 3D print, whereas plastic models need to have a whole metal mould machined which is a more expensive and manpower consuming process.

Either way GW aren't releasing new teams at a tremendous rate. If you want to get your friends in to the game I suggest you tell them to start one of the existing teams or buy a 3rd party team. Good 3rd party options exist for several teams, and other teams aren't hard to convert from existing GW models. Lizardmen are one of the few I think have pretty poor options so I'd love for GW to fill that hole.

Sorry for attacking you, but I know for a fact from the experience of my friends that both those positions are limiting for new players. Converting is hard for new people and expensive. Buying 80-100 EUR third-party teams is even worse (vs about 20 EUR from online retailers). We went with what we had, with experienced guys picking more expensive teams and converting, while the newbies got the GW boxed sets. But we've had a number of people that said "I'll wait for any type of undead", for example.

Having new customers should be important for GW, because any new customer also buys paints, brushes etc. Selling booster packs does not do that. That seems to be a sensible business strategy.
Once per quarter is better than none. As for resources devoted to production - that's more of a question for FW, as you've said, GW's people are probably doing other things (like producing new teams).

 Breotan wrote:

AllSeeingSkink wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
If your teams are still incomplete, you have only yourself to blame. You should be able to complete all the currently released teams, albeit with a second purchase either from GW, FW, or bits sellers on eBay.

Again we're talking specifically about Humans and Orcs here, GW have not released new sculpts for Blitzers and Black Orcs so you'll be left with 4 identical poses.

I'm not sure how to reply to this. Yes, there is duplication of poses in the plastic sets. However there has ALWAYS been this type of duplication. Go back to the 3rd Edition box and you'll see one pose for the catcher, one for the thrower, one for your blitzer, and usually only one or two for your linemen. This was the same with both the humans and orcs that came in the box. The metal teams were little better with regards to variety. Eventually you'd see something in a blister but those were usually expensive for what you got.

Yes, there is a lot of duplicate poses in Blood Bowl. There's really only one way to deal with it, do what people back in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd editions had to do - learn to convert. I don't know what else to tell you.

Sure, share pics of your converted models? Let's see how great they look. Maybe there's an even better option than what you're proposing (and my inspiration): complain publicly in the hope that something gets done. Look at Skaven. Did you convert those, or did you pay for the booster pack?

Are you telling me to buy a 4 teams extra now to make some sub-par conversions, then looking at GW/FW releasing superb booster packs for the same models? Is that really your suggestion?

Baxx wrote:
Are you telling me to buy a 4 teams extra now to make some sub-par conversions, then looking at GW/FW releasing superb booster packs for the same models? Is that really your suggestion?

GW would love that Selling 2 models for 1!

AllSeeingSkink wrote:
I'm wondering if they're 9 pieces but still designed to be monopose because the team picture we've seen has poses that are clearly just duplicates with head swaps.

So it might be like some other multi-part but mono-pose models we've seen where the parts are keyed to fit together in a specific way.

tneva82 wrote:


Maybe future proofing for add-on bits from FW to make it easier to sell n+1 upgrade packs?

I think you folks could be right, the ones we have seen already are so similar, there are probably so many parts so they can make, heads, shoulders and other padded parts via the upgrade packs.

I was a little hung over when I posted before, never really thought about it !

I think they’re going with booster packs for Dark Elves, high elves and wood elves to capture assassins, witches, war dancers and the like. Throw in a tree man stand alone and there you have it. Not saying I like the approach, just saying I think that’s what they’ll do.

Finally!

Lizard on the cover of the Almanac, and the only player that doesn't have a new team in plastic.... pretty please let that mean Lizardmen are next!!

I know, I'm probably being a touch too hopeful

As someone who has already bought Season One and Season Two, how pissed should I be about the Almanac containing stuff from those two books, as well as material from White Dwarf? More information would've been appreciated, GW!

Why be pissed off? you already have the material, so ... don't buy the almanac?

 AndrewGPaul wrote:
Why be pissed off? you already have the material, so ... don't buy the almanac?

Depends on if there is any stuff which hasn't already been released in the book - certainly means no pre-order until I hear either way.

Interestingly the Almanac is going to be translated which Season 2 wasn't

From what I've heard the Almanac will feature EVERYTHING that has been released so far for Blood Bowl, meaning both season books, all WD articles and even the rules included with the pitches (weather tables or something?).

So it isn't just the two season books, it's the White Dwarfs too. I like it as this is basically how it used to be in ye olde times; back in 2nd edition the Compendium book and the Star Players book were basically collections of things that had already been released, sometimes straight reprints or with some additional editing, errata and modification or so. Back then, I had all the White Dwarfs too, but I still bought the collected books. This time round, I have both season books and the White Dwarfs but I'll still buy the Almanac. It's fine. If you don't think you need it, don't buy it. You'll survive.

I’m in for the Almanac. I’ll pass on the elves, but the dwarfs and a deathroller are still very much on the agenda!

The more you know...

I had almost bought the season 2 book last week. As it is I finally bought the Dwarf team even though I’m not too keen on their looks.

If that cover does in fact mean that Lizardmen will be getting a plastic team sooner rather than later... They'll finally get a decent chunk of my money.

Can someone explain the team cards to me?

From their site:

Accompanying the Elfheim Eagles is a range of accessories designed to make managing your Blood Bowl team simple, including team cards. These are can be used to track special plays, players and skills gained during tournaments, and are a great way to avoid any mucking around with notepads and bits of scrap paper during your games.

So...they're...blank cards?

Anyone think the size of the elves and the necromunda escher gang will be compatible?

Carlovonsexron wrote:
Anyone think the size of the elves and the necromunda escher gang will be compatible?

They are both made by the specialist games team, so it is possible. I don't think we'll know for sure until we have the elves in hand though.

So, uh... what the heck are those yellow rings?

 Fugazi wrote:
Can someone explain the team cards to me?

From their site:

Accompanying the Elfheim Eagles is a range of accessories designed to make managing your Blood Bowl team simple, including team cards. These are can be used to track special plays, players and skills gained during tournaments, and are a great way to avoid any mucking around with notepads and bits of scrap paper during your games.

So...they're...blank cards?

I'm not the best person to answer this, but yes, I think they are blank cards that you can use to write down player's info and still have it in handy card-format instead of having another form of media on the table.

I think that some lamination and some map pens will make the cards give their biggest return.

 Not-not-kenny wrote:
So, uh... what the heck are those yellow rings?

Some sort of base addition just in case you and your opponent have similarly painted teams. I guess they could also help show which models have advancements in not matching games to make it easier for your opponent.

I had presumed they were to mark out positionals - do they only contain the one colour?

No idea, as I can't see any more information other than that one picture.