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Collective Targeting Data: In the Shooting phase, add 1 to the BS of all Drones (including Drones that are not part of this Formation) as long as at least 2 units from this Formation are on the Battlefield.

Remora Drones are called drones but are actually vehicles w (Flyer, Hover rules) where all other drones are jetpack infantry.

I would say they do benefit as they are obviously drones. Their called drones and look like drones. The rule doesn't specifically state that it only applies to units that are Jetpack Infantry (Drones)

What do you think?

No, they do not benefit as they are not count as drones in rules, even if they look like one.

Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones. Is this RAI vs RAW issue or another case of forge world not writing accurate rules?

Naaris wrote:
Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones.

Source? Names don't really count or else Heavy Flamers would be 'Heavy' weapons, Assault Cannons would be 'Assault' weapons and so on and so forth.

Naaris wrote:
Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones. Is this RAI vs RAW issue or another case of forge world not writing accurate rules?

Im fairly sure they are not listed under the Drone wargear list. though would be cool otherwise.

 Desubot wrote:

Naaris wrote:
Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones. Is this RAI vs RAW issue or another case of forge world not writing accurate rules?

Im fairly sure they are not listed under the Drone wargear list. though would be cool otherwise.

They are absolutely not listed under the Drone wargear list. They're not in Codex: Tau Empire anywhere, in fact. They're only listed in Forgeworld published material.

 Kriswall wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Naaris wrote:
Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones. Is this RAI vs RAW issue or another case of forge world not writing accurate rules?

Im fairly sure they are not listed under the Drone wargear list. though would be cool otherwise.

They are absolutely not listed under the Drone wargear list. They're not in Codex: Tau Empire anywhere, in fact. They're only listed in Forgeworld published material.

With that being said, does the Taros Campaign book indicate that they are to be considered as drones?

Do you have the Taros rule book?

Naaris wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

 Desubot wrote:

Naaris wrote:
Where does it say they don't count as drones. They are drones. Is this RAI vs RAW issue or another case of forge world not writing accurate rules?

Im fairly sure they are not listed under the Drone wargear list. though would be cool otherwise.

They are absolutely not listed under the Drone wargear list. They're not in Codex: Tau Empire anywhere, in fact. They're only listed in Forgeworld published material.

With that being said, does the Taros Campaign book indicate that they are to be considered as drones?

Nope.


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For a more complete answer, the unit type is Vehicle (Flyer, Hover). It's definitely not a Drone from a game standpoint.

I don't know why unit type has anything to do with a drone.

We should start by defining what exactly a drone IS, RAW. How does GW call out a 'Drone'? Is it unit type, like some people think? Is it their existence in a wargear entry? Is it the unit name?

For the first question, it obviously has nothing to do with unit type. There are jet pack infantry in the Tau codex that are not drones.

For the second question, possibly, though IIRC there are drones not present in the wargear list that are present in specific unit entries such as the Riptide's missile drones or the Pathfinder recon drones.

For the third question... possibly, I guess?

 Unit1126PLL wrote:
I don't know why unit type has anything to do with a drone.

We should start by defining what exactly a drone IS, RAW. How does GW call out a 'Drone'? Is it unit type, like some people think? Is it their existence in a wargear entry? Is it the unit name?

For the first question, it obviously has nothing to do with unit type. There are jet pack infantry in the Tau codex that are not drones.

For the second question, possibly, though IIRC there are drones not present in the wargear list that are present in specific unit entries such as the Riptide's missile drones or the Pathfinder recon drones.

For the third question... possibly, I guess?

The Drones unit in Codex: Tau Empire is called "Drones". That's it. The Formation calls for "4 or more units of Drones". The simplest explanation is that Drones refers to any unit called Drones.

So the formation doesn't work on, say, the drones bought to escort a Riptide or some Ghostkeels? Those are obviously not units called "Drones."


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So the formation doesn't work on, say, the drones bought to escort a Riptide or some Ghostkeels? Those are obviously not units called "Drones."

I think the rule should be played to apply to all models with the Jet Pack Infantry (Drone) unit type.

As for Remoras in particular, I don't think they should qualify as drones because they don't have the Drone unit type and the models are not named as drones at all - their army list entry names the models in the unit as "DX-6 Remora".

 Mr. Shine wrote:
I think the rule should be played to apply to all models with the Jet Pack Infantry (Drone) unit type.

As for Remoras in particular, I don't think they should qualify as drones because they don't have the Drone unit type and the models are not named as drones at all - their army list entry names the models in the unit as "DX-6 Remora".

This is pretty much the closet too RAW. Unless Forgeworld FAQs it I would say the net's do not apply to the Remora. The Heavy Gun drone is a bit more vague, as it actually is a they are supposed to be up armed gun drones, but I am not sure of the unit entry for them.

barnowl wrote:

 Mr. Shine wrote:
I think the rule should be played to apply to all models with the Jet Pack Infantry (Drone) unit type.

As for Remoras in particular, I don't think they should qualify as drones because they don't have the Drone unit type and the models are not named as drones at all - their army list entry names the models in the unit as "DX-6 Remora".

This is pretty much the closet too RAW. Unless Forgeworld FAQs it I would say the net's do not apply to the Remora. The Heavy Gun drone is a bit more vague, as it actually is a they are supposed to be up armed gun drones, but I am not sure of the unit entry for them.

Seconded. The unit type (Drone) is not part of the profile of the Remoras like the drones from the Codex. That being said this also makes them Scoring Units! As a Shrouded flier that can hover, the Remora is great at nabbing late game objectives without eating it.

Just to clear up sone things here is a bit of useful info
FW have stated (in Emails) that their Riptides may be taken in the formations from the codex (plus Kauyon and Mont'ka)
And the Riptides are their own seperate unit

The XV109 and XV107 both have the word 'Riptide' in their name so i would assume that the Remora Drones are also considered as a drone as they have the word 'Drone' in their name

It is less what they have in thier name, and more how fluff describes them.

Personally I would not give the remora the bonus, but would heavy gun drones and drone sentry turrets.

Remoras have a drone AI but are far more indepenent.

Heavy gun drones are just larger up-gunned gun drones.

Sentry turrets specifically are said to network in the drone networks.

commander dante wrote:
The XV109 and XV107 both have the word 'Riptide' in their name. . .

Not that it really matters, but they only have "Battlesuit" in their names. Riptide references are in the fluff on the PDFs. I agree the Remoras should be Unit Type: Drone, they would actually be unbelievable with some of the new stuff. I really hope that FW brings all their stuff in line with the GW releases like they did with Eldar. I love me some Tetras, and they would work wonders in either new Contingent for Tau. The Y'vahra would probably get a nerf (like Tetras and the R'varna did) but maybe not. Either way that guy looks awesome and I would love to get mine on the table more often these days.

commander dante wrote:
Just to clear up sone things here is a bit of useful info
FW have stated (in Emails) that their Riptides may be taken in the formations from the codex (plus Kauyon and Mont'ka)

Any chance you have a link to one of these emails?

 Mulletdude wrote:

commander dante wrote:
Just to clear up sone things here is a bit of useful info
FW have stated (in Emails) that their Riptides may be taken in the formations from the codex (plus Kauyon and Mont'ka)

Any chance you have a link to one of these emails?

I could double that request. Some Y'Havras in a riptide wing would be insane. Especially if you could mix of match

To All those asking about XV107/XV109 in formations....

commander dante wrote:
To All those asking about XV107/XV109 in formations....

So, that's a solid "we aren't authorized to give you an official answer and think you should talk to your friends" response. Not exactly useful.

 Kriswall wrote:

commander dante wrote:
To All those asking about XV107/XV109 in formations....

So, that's a solid "we aren't authorized to give you an official answer and think you should talk to your friends" response. Not exactly useful.

Its what i got as a response

commander dante wrote:

 Kriswall wrote:

commander dante wrote:
To All those asking about XV107/XV109 in formations....

So, that's a solid "we aren't authorized to give you an official answer and think you should talk to your friends" response. Not exactly useful.

Its what i got as a response

Sort of reinforces Forum Tenent #2. Emails from GW are useless in a rules debate.

You don't want your Remora's to be drones, +bs is nice, but then they are a non-scoring non-denying unit. their best feature is the ability to deepstrike and 2+ jink. on an objective, or as necessary become flying so 6+ to hit and 2+ jink. with markerlight support the jink matters less, and the +1bs doesn't matter.
In order to be a drone, i'd say if has to be in the codex's/mont'ka/kayun's drone list page.
or can be argued, if you cant take it it the drone network, it doesn't count.
But per my first point, i want a skimming remora to score with great cover, with the option to become a flyer with great cover to get out of dodge. also, if you play with terrain, they are a flyer on a skimmer base, its hard for enemies to shoot at your "flying" remora that's shorter than a devil fish