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Hi,

I'm trying to build a daemons list that incorporates a herald of nurgle (infantry) /w some plague drones. (Jetpack Cavalry)

I know that in the past competitive players have been able to make a 2d6 movement in the assault phase with the ENTIRE unit including the infantry herald. (Nanavati's list from the previous Adepticons utilized this I believe)

How does this work?


edit: sorry if this is a beaten horse already.

You can move as far as they can while maintaining the 2" unit coherence. So you could string them out with the jet pack move but in a line with each model 2" away with the herald staying where he is.

Just to clarify:

Are infantry models able to be moved 2d6 in the assault phase because they are joined to a jetpack unit?

Previously tournaments judged this as yes.

It comes down to an argument over what special rules an IC gets while joined to a unit. You can search for those as their are several. They tend to go for 10+ pages of arguing and then get locked with no conclusion.

Fragile wrote:
It comes down to an argument over what special rules an IC gets while joined to a unit. You can search for those as their are several. They tend to go for 10+ pages of arguing and then get locked with no conclusion.

Yeah, this one is a little more wierd than others, though.

Jet Pack units may Thrust in the Assault Phase. if an Infantry model in a unit of Plague Drones still counts as a Jet Pack unit, then they can Thrust in the Assault Phase.

Wouldn't it be that, since an infantry unit cannot move in the assault phase and a jetpack unit can, then Different Movement Distances Within A Unit kicks in and the only restriction would be that they maintain unit coherence.

Mj445 wrote:
Wouldn't it be that, since an infantry unit cannot move in the assault phase and a jetpack unit can, then Different Movement Distances Within A Unit kicks in and the only restriction would be that they maintain unit coherence.

It's referring to a whole unit, not the models in a unit. This is one of the cases where they really should have said "models" instead of unit. They did it for Bikes, I don't know why they didn't continue it afterward. I have no idea why they insisted on referring to Jet Pack units as being able to Thrust.

They are a unit and have to maintain unit coherence. If a jump or bike unit moves their 12" and they have an Infantry IC then he can only move 6" and the Jumps or bikes can move 12" but have to stay within 2" of the IC. Same would apply to the Assault Phase jetpack move, no?

The Thrust move is granted to the UNIT, not to models in the Units who have/are Jet Packs. If you need a fluff reason for why the guy without the Jet Pack gets to thrust, pick up just about any comic book with a "super team". The guys who can fly carry the guys who can't. Presumably, the Herald is grabbing onto a Plague Drone and getting pulled along.

Mj445 wrote:They are a unit and have to maintain unit coherence. If a jump or bike unit moves their 12" and they have an Infantry IC then he can only move 6" and the Jumps or bikes can move 12" but have to stay within 2" of the IC. Same would apply to the Assault Phase jetpack move, no?

Coherency is required for the Movement Phase and Charging. It is not required for the Thrust Move.

And this is for the UNIT to do, so either the unit does it or not.

Kriswall wrote:The Thrust move is granted to the UNIT, not to models in the Units who have/are Jet Packs. If you need a fluff reason for why the guy without the Jet Pack gets to thrust, pick up just about any comic book with a "super team". The guys who can fly carry the guys who can't. Presumably, the Herald is grabbing onto a Plague Drone and getting pulled along.

The problem is how do you define "Jet Pack Unit". This is never properly defined by the BRB. That part is my only real problem with this rule.

 Aijec wrote:
Just to clarify:

Are infantry models able to be moved 2d6 in the assault phase because they are joined to a jetpack unit?

Previously tournaments judged this as yes.

I don't see how this works as IC don't automatically gain rules that the unit have just for joining, infantry units don't suddenly become jet pack infantry.

The rules for jet pack units don't help however, as they refer to a unit making a thrust move and not models. I believe these were written assuming the entire unit is composed of jet packers and didn't really consider the interactions with joined IC. Nevertheless I don't think they confer the ability for infantry to make a thrust move as those models simply don't have a jet pack. The RAW for me point to the drones being able to thrust but not the heralds, they just have to maintain coherency and have the heralds catch up later with pile in moves etc.

Conversely, having a herald joined with the drones doesn't prevent the drones from thrusting imo. This is a claim as cheesy as saying the herald can thrust move.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
I don't see how this works as IC don't automatically gain rules that the unit have just for joining, infantry units don't suddenly become jet pack infantry.

Correct. However, they don't get Stubborn from their units, either. Something to keep in mind.

 Tonberry7 wrote:
The rules for jet pack units don't help however, as they refer to a unit making a thrust move and not models. I believe these were written assuming the entire unit is composed of jet packers and didn't really consider the interactions with joined IC. Nevertheless I don't think they confer the ability for infantry to make a thrust move as those models simply don't have a jet pack. The RAW for me point to the drones being able to thrust but not the heralds, they just have to maintain coherency and have the heralds catch up later with pile in moves etc.

Conversely, having a herald joined with the drones doesn't prevent the drones from thrusting imo. This is a claim as cheesy as saying the herald can thrust move.

Yeah, Jump and Jet Packs are the only unit types which have rules for the UNIT, and not just for the models themselves. This can lead to confusion and irritations especially when they have yet to identify what exactly a "jet pack unit" is and how it is defined. Is it just a situation where the base models of the unit are Jet Pack like Drone units and Crisis Suits, or is it a case where they forgot to swap out "models" for "units"?

Mj445 wrote:
If a jump or bike unit moves their 12" and they have an Infantry IC then he can only move 6" and the Jumps or bikes can move 12" but have to stay within 2" of the IC.

This is not correct. An IC without a jump pack in an otherwise Jump pack equipped unit prevents all of them from using their jump packs in any phase.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Mj445 wrote:
If a jump or bike unit moves their 12" and they have an Infantry IC then he can only move 6" and the Jumps or bikes can move 12" but have to stay within 2" of the IC.

This is not correct. An IC without a jump pack in an otherwise Jump pack equipped unit prevents all of them from using their jump packs in any phase.

Not really. The IC rules dont stop this from occurring.

Fragile wrote:

 DarknessEternal wrote:

Mj445 wrote:
If a jump or bike unit moves their 12" and they have an Infantry IC then he can only move 6" and the Jumps or bikes can move 12" but have to stay within 2" of the IC.

This is not correct. An IC without a jump pack in an otherwise Jump pack equipped unit prevents all of them from using their jump packs in any phase.

Not really. The IC rules dont stop this from occurring.

It's not the IC rules that stop it, it is the Jump rules that stop it. The ENTIRE unit must use the same form of movement. All he IC rules do is include the IC as part of the entire unit.

In order fro a non-Jump IC to not affect a unit other-wise full of Jump models, it would have to be separated from the unit in some manner. The Jump rules do not do this.

Fragile wrote:
The IC rules dont stop this from occurring.

That's correct. But the Jump rules do explicitly.