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 Ghaz wrote:
I never said it wasn't an option for a Black Legion list. I was pointing out that it could be for the Crimson Slaughter supplement and most likely for both..

Sorry if it came out kinda snipey, I was just trying to point out that sometimes a bundle box is just a bundle box.
We saw Orks and Tau both get a 'bundle box' out of the blue, and neither of those had formations attached to them as far as I'm aware.

 DarknessEternal wrote:

 DarkStarSabre wrote:
MRW when new formations turn out to be dataslate and Apocalypse reprints that sadly do nothing to fix the problems of CSM.

Well, you're already wrong. And you posted this after evidence of your wrongness was available and in the thread already.

Show me again how these formations that are pretty much identical to Apocalypse and Apocalypse Reload for the most part address the balance issues of the CSM.

I am still very disappointed by this. But hey, knock yourself out.

Weren't the old renegade /lost and the damned cultists led by an aspiring champion? Or am I misremembering things?

pepsuber wrote:
I see nothing on cultists, spawn, obliterators, PM, NM, or 1kSons. I will be disspointed if there are no other Cult detachments, because the khorne one looks nice.

And this is in a chaos undivided warband no less. I guess we can just chalk this up as GW being GW.

Roknar wrote:

pepsuber wrote:
I see nothing on cultists, spawn, obliterators, PM, NM, or 1kSons. I will be disspointed if there are no other Cult detachments, because the khorne one looks nice.

And this is in a chaos undivided warband no less. I guess we can just chalk this up as GW being GW.

And we can chalk comments like this up to Internet being Internet.

The book ain't out yet. These are SOME of the formations. Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter are both pre-Formationhammer books, so you can pretty much rest assured that this is not it.

Roknar wrote:

pepsuber wrote:
I see nothing on cultists, spawn, obliterators, PM, NM, or 1kSons. I will be disspointed if there are no other Cult detachments, because the khorne one looks nice.

And this is in a chaos undivided warband no less. I guess we can just chalk this up as GW being GW.

Or we can chalk it up to not seeing all of the rules yet.

Everyone freak out!!!
No seriously
There are not even enough formations leaked for GW to create a "codex detachment" (aka decurion detachment aka combi detachment). And we already know there is suppose to be one in this book. So let's just wait and see what else is included. There is also an entire Crimson slaughter book that hasn't leaked. So yea this is only a handful of leaks when we know a bunch more is coming. And even if the majority of the new formations suck the glory of formations is you pick and chose which you like and discard the rest. You can take a cabal from black legion supplement, a formation from Crimson slaughter, and a korne demon kin army with relics from all three and have a perfectly legal and likely competitive army. But let's just see what is in the books before we start screaming the sky is falling.

*Uses Shroud of Deceit on a Tau'nar*
GG

Could be a fun power to use in Apocalypse....

Sounds great, I am really excited about these supplement. I really loved to play my CSM but the last codex was really deceiving. With those rules (Thrist for glory, shroud of deceit, hounds of Abaddon...) they look really more interesting to play with.

 Kanluwen wrote:

Roknar wrote:

pepsuber wrote:
I see nothing on cultists, spawn, obliterators, PM, NM, or 1kSons. I will be disspointed if there are no other Cult detachments, because the khorne one looks nice.

And this is in a chaos undivided warband no less. I guess we can just chalk this up as GW being GW.

And we can chalk comments like this up to Internet being Internet.

The book ain't out yet. These are SOME of the formations. Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter are both pre-Formationhammer books, so you can pretty much rest assured that this is not it.

Maybe, hopefully, but I remain sceptical given how some of the leaks are from people owning the digital supplement which is already updated if I understand correctly. The only missing formation is abadon with bringers of despair iirc.
So that plus 3 more god themed formations plus the decurion and whatever formations are restricted to that? Seems unlikely to me, but god do I hope I'm wrong.

Wait... If I use shroud of deceit on a group of pathfinders who use their ML and target, say a Ghostkeel wing, then I use Shroud of deceit a second time on a Stormsurge, will he benefit from the markerlights? Do the Pathfinders benefit from a buffmander if he is in their squad?

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sorry if it came out kinda snipey, I was just trying to point out that sometimes a bundle box is just a bundle box.
We saw Orks and Tau both get a 'bundle box' out of the blue, and neither of those had formations attached to them as far as I'm aware.

The ork bundle "start collecting" has a formation.

 Grimskul wrote:


Unfortunately, the big issue for the Ghazghkull book was there were formations already present in its first iteration, unlike Chaos who could really only go from up from where their abysmal place was in the 40K hierarchy. So sadly, WAAAAGH! Ghazghkull became more of a clean up job and consolidation rather than any real attempt to inject new or revised flavour into it unlike the chaos supplements who were before the 7th. ed formation days.

Otherwise known as copypasta

What does "revised chaos marine" mean? Are they just repackaging the 3 supplements out with a few added formations like the ork players got hosed= having to buy a new book with nothing really new?

Still disapointing as hell apart of two formations. Hope the relics, etc. are better. This is not making me hopeful at all.

 TedNugent wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sorry if it came out kinda snipey, I was just trying to point out that sometimes a bundle box is just a bundle box.
We saw Orks and Tau both get a 'bundle box' out of the blue, and neither of those had formations attached to them as far as I'm aware.

The ork bundle "start collecting" has a formation.

Which isn't what I'm referring to when I say "bundle box". Should have specified a bit more I guess.

Warboss Gruk's Boss Mob is Gruk and Nobz for $50. Doesn't save you much(probably like $5-$10), but it saves you some.
The Tau Empire Coalition Command is an Ethereal on Hover Drone and a Commander for $60.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sorry if it came out kinda snipey, I was just trying to point out that sometimes a bundle box is just a bundle box.
We saw Orks and Tau both get a 'bundle box' out of the blue, and neither of those had formations attached to them as far as I'm aware.

The ork bundle "start collecting" has a formation.

Which isn't what I'm referring to when I say "bundle box". Should have specified a bit more I guess.

Warboss Gruk's Boss Mob is Gruk and Nobz for $50. Doesn't save you much(probably like $5-$10), but it saves you some.
The Tau Empire Coalition Command is an Ethereal on Hover Drone and a Commander for $60.

So true it's not a start collecting box and it looks to be lacking heavy weapons so I wonder trying to move left over stock from last years box game? Still no idea why they made the Tau command box the get started is flat out better

Hello,
I am curious about one thing in the formation Hound of abaddon the units can run and charge but what can do the bikers?

Oldmike wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 TedNugent wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

Sorry if it came out kinda snipey, I was just trying to point out that sometimes a bundle box is just a bundle box.
We saw Orks and Tau both get a 'bundle box' out of the blue, and neither of those had formations attached to them as far as I'm aware.

The ork bundle "start collecting" has a formation.

Which isn't what I'm referring to when I say "bundle box". Should have specified a bit more I guess.

Warboss Gruk's Boss Mob is Gruk and Nobz for $50. Doesn't save you much(probably like $5-$10), but it saves you some.
The Tau Empire Coalition Command is an Ethereal on Hover Drone and a Commander for $60.

So true it's not a start collecting box and it looks to be lacking heavy weapons so I wonder trying to move left over stock from last years box game? Still no idea why they made the Tau command box the get started is flat out better

If I had to guess, it's because they planned on phasing out the Infiltration Cadre Burning Dawn and wanted there to remain two avenues for someone to get the Ethereal on Hover Drone.

Current information from those who have downloaded the digital updated Black Legion supplement (BL made a mistake and the file was available for several hours) is that there wont be a Decurion in it.

Warhams-77 wrote:
Current information from those who have downloaded the digital updated Black Legion supplement (BL made a mistake and the file was available for several hours) is that there wont be a Decurion in it.

That matches what the White Dwarf says. It lists Formations, not a Detachment.

Honestly, I'd say that's a blessing rather than a curse. As great as some of the bonuses are...sometimes those things are just dumb to try to build towards.

From B&C

Cheexsta, on 05 Apr 2016 - 1:55 PM, said:
I got it as well

What's been leaked so far is pretty much it, plus a formation for Abby and his Terminator retinue (+1WS and +1BS, reroll to Look Out Sir once per phase).

All the Warlord Traits and Artefacts are the same. There is no Decurion detachment.

Looks like they closed the leak on the Crimson Slaughter book though, so we might have to wait until the book actually comes out for that one

Gumo9, on 05 Apr 2016 - 8:58 PM, said:
Not noticed it said on this thread so far but with the Black Legion supplement you can choose artifacts from the supplement and C:CSM. Unlike the original where you only had access to the BL stuff

Plus, no points cost for super-terminators

Oh yea!!! Chaos is back baby!


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I'm about to abandon (abaddon?) all my other projects and go full chaos devotee like I used to be.

I wonder when GW's hardon for Khorne is going to go away and 40k and AoS can get Chaos stuff that isn't Khorne.

Seriously, I feel bad for the Chaos players. Apparently Chaos Undivided is just a buzzword for Khorne and some unaffiliated guys.

So many people trying to be downers. So a lot of the formations are not overwhelmingly awesome. I'm happy with what I've seen so far. It's fluffy, nothing seems over powered (though forcing enemy GMCs to blast their allies is hilarious), and it's at least a reason to knock the dust off the old army. I've been playing CSM since 4th, and this is a nice way to use a lot of models that I already have. Maybe it's just because I've been kicked around for so long, but this feels nice. Color me interested as to what's inside the Crimson Slaughter book as well. I'd bet on some powers that sacrifice cultists. There's also nothing stopping you from taking marks on the marines that in these formations. But I bet there's some stuff in there for each of the cult marines. As fluffy as this is, it seems a bit odd for Abbadon to not have them around.

I notice they're now in paperback, and at £20 are they actually now cheaper than the 1st Editions?

 Azreal13 wrote:
I notice they're now in paperback, and at £20 are they actually now cheaper than the 1st Editions?

All the Paperbacks end up being cheaper than their hardback cousins.

Which is still odd to me, because they very, very deliberately moved away from Paperbacks with 6th edition....to now start erratically moving back when they have to reprint something. Iirc the switch back to Paperbacks became a thing with Shield of Baal and the End Times books - the Hardbacks sold out so quickly and demand was such that they announced they would reprint runs for people to be able to get them.

You know, because limited edition hardbacks had this habit of being bought up and flogged on ebay for the price of your kidney.


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gungo wrote:
. And even if the majority of the new formations suck the glory of formations is you pick and chose which you like and discard the rest. You can take a cabal from black legion supplement, a formation from Crimson slaughter, and a korne demon kin army with relics from all three and have a perfectly legal and likely competitive army. But let's just see what is in the books before we start screaming the sky is falling.

So, you're telling me...

To field a legal and competitive CSM army I am required to have the following.

My Codex.
IA 13 (for Dreadclaws).
2 Supplements (for some Formations)
A dataslate (Belakor)
And another 2 Codexes that aren't piles of gak (KDK and Daemons) for allied detachments that aren't gak.

So, for a legal and competitive CSM army you're telling me it's acceptable to have to spend £182 in books alone....to do what every other army can do for £35 or so.

Hoo. When you put it that way it's definately hard to argue.

What bs this is!

They release this at the same time as giving the loyalist even more buffs!

Ok so we don't know all the details but we do no that its two sperate releases that the loyalists get in one bundle!

I, like many, bought the original books and now to update would have to buy both again. They could have shoved all this in to one book for the same price as the snowflake brigade book!

Until we get an actual book with new sculpts then my Black Legion army will have no money or time spent on it.

Munga wrote:
So many people trying to be downers.

Just ignore 'em. Being a downer hardly changes anything anyway. It would be interesting to see a release that wouldn't cause that. So far one has not existed. It doesn't matter if its powerful or underpowered. Spoiler: Such a release simply doesn't exist.

Personally I will make some use of the new supplements and build a fairly competitive Chaos force one way or another, there are a lot of books to look for options. I will do just fine, and I will have fun.

Wake me when we get a bonnified brand new CSM codex and not some retread with sprinkles, I mean formations on top.

I'll pick up the black legion book as it looks like .I should be able to use it for my army.