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So does anyone know the brush sizes of citadel brushes?

I'm looking to invest in a nice Winsor & newton kolinsky sable brush, and im looking to get what ever size the standard brush is in the citadel range.

I cant tell if its a 2 or a 3, any help would be super.

I would just get an 0 and 00 W&N. If budget allows, a 000 as well.

Not sure what that size equates to in the GW brushes, but those are the three brushes I have in that caliber and they are truly invaluable tools.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
I would just get an 0 and 00 W&N. If budget allows, a 000 as well.

Not sure what that size equates to in the GW brushes, but those are the three brushes I have in that caliber and they are truly invaluable tools.

I thought about getting the fine details, but honestly as of late, i have gotten away from using them, i have done most of my painting in the standard brush now, even the fine details, about what size does the 00 equate to in the citadel range?

woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

I honestly cant tell if the standard is a 2 or 3 and our local Golden demon painter is out of town right now at a competition so i cant ask him haha

 Backspacehacker wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

I honestly cant tell if the standard is a 2 or 3 and our local Golden demon painter is out of town right now at a competition so i cant ask him haha

i remember the gw standard brush from 10 years ago i used. its about the size of a 2. 3 seems huge to me and i cant fathom using a larger brush for troop size models. then again 3 might not be THAT much bigger still.... also lucky you that theres a good painter near you. i'm the best in my area and it sucks

eosgreen wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

I honestly cant tell if the standard is a 2 or 3 and our local Golden demon painter is out of town right now at a competition so i cant ask him haha

i remember the gw standard brush from 10 years ago i used. its about the size of a 2. 3 seems huge to me and i cant fathom using a larger brush for troop size models. then again 3 might not be THAT much bigger still.... also lucky you that theres a good painter near you. i'm the best in my area and it sucks

2 might be the standard, 3 might be the large brush, ill probably just get a 2 and see how it goes from there.

 Backspacehacker wrote:

eosgreen wrote:

 Backspacehacker wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

I honestly cant tell if the standard is a 2 or 3 and our local Golden demon painter is out of town right now at a competition so i cant ask him haha

i remember the gw standard brush from 10 years ago i used. its about the size of a 2. 3 seems huge to me and i cant fathom using a larger brush for troop size models. then again 3 might not be THAT much bigger still.... also lucky you that theres a good painter near you. i'm the best in my area and it sucks

2 might be the standard, 3 might be the large brush, ill probably just get a 2 and see how it goes from there.

trust me 2 is perfect for anything except tanks. i just used it to base coat my flamers of tzeentch and then do the transition from blue to purple. its just all purpose good size.

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0.

I use 00 to edge highlight and do very fine lines (learning to at a least) and using 000 for things like teeth. For example, I used the 000 when painting a tooth on a pendant around the helmet of the Wrathmonger I'm painting right now.

Not sure what you mean by "unusable". I use them fine. I use dry retarder and thin my paints a good bit. Maybe I'm giving out bad advice, but it works me.

the standard is a 2 (basecoat one)

the most useful and versatile brushes you would really want to get right off are the 2 and 1 - maybe even the 1, first, with a W&N. All others are really gravy, though if you can afford it, sure get them. I love to use the 00 and under for eyes and such. But my most used brush is the 2, for basecoating, first highlight followed by the 1.

Well the GW 'standard' brush has changed many times over the years.

As for WN series 7 brushes... I do almost everything with a 1 (and occasionally a 2). The points are so sharp you can do eyes with them easily though I do typically switch to a 0 for eyes out of habit.

thanks for translation of gws to common

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

Don't forget the W&N have a miniature series 7 range using the same numbering system.

As far as I know the normal series 7 00 is the same size as the citadel XS artificer brush. I really like this brush but do plan on getting an 0 as well.

I have a W&N series 7 minature 00 and its ridiculously tiny. The paint dries on the tip before you can get it too the model.

Mdlbuildr wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0.

I use 00 to edge highlight and do very fine lines (learning to at a least) and using 000 for things like teeth. For example, I used the 000 when painting a tooth on a pendant around the helmet of the Wrathmonger I'm painting right now.

Not sure what you mean by "unusable". I use them fine. I use dry retarder and thin my paints a good bit. Maybe I'm giving out bad advice, but it works me.

 AEIOUMadden wrote:

eosgreen wrote:
woah a 00 and 000 on the winsor and newton are TINY and frankly unuseable for most application and i mean 99.99 percent of what most people do. are you talking round brushes or some other kind. i cant fathom what 000 is compared to my 0

the 1 is what I use for super small detail work even eyes. the complex eye work does need a smaller brush but for example a space marine lens and a simplistic method its fine. even then going to a 0 is the lowest ive ever needed

2 is what i would equate to GW's standard size. ive painted tanks with the thing when some dog related mistakes happened to my larger brushes

Don't forget the W&N have a miniature series 7 range using the same numbering system.

As far as I know the normal series 7 00 is the same size as the citadel XS artificer brush. I really like this brush but do plan on getting an 0 as well.

I have a W&N series 7 minature 00 and its ridiculously tiny. The paint dries on the tip before you can get it too the model.

AH YOU ARE RIGHT. i use series 7 thats why im saying this. ookokokok. damn

LOL I didn't know there was a Series 7 miniature set!

I use the regular Series 7. Sorry for the confusion.

Mdlbuildr wrote:
LOL I didn't know there was a Series 7 miniature set!

I use the regular Series 7. Sorry for the confusion.

I used to use them for edge-highlighting... their shape is ideal for it, however they don't hold paint like the standard round ones and it took an adjustment every time; now I just use the regular rounds for everything.