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 paulson games wrote:
Sigh....

That angle isn't in the theatrical print I saw.

Not calling it a fake as such, only disappeared into the reshoots (or only one of the multiple angles he shot stuff from).

sorry... Just coming in but my Yuuzhan Vong sense was tingling... I had to see what was going on...

I just want to say I loved the NJO arc... I regret not going through it while it was new... I hadn't actually got into the EU books until maybe early 2000s when I was reading more... I read the books back to back and fell in love with each one.

I have a bit more respect for some characters after that series... especially Kyle Katarn... I thought he was some marketing thing for Star Wars but I like some of the stuff that happened with him in the books... also Jaina is my waifu (that's how the kids say it right?).

I still need to read anything after that... in fact I'm getting back on track with the old EU; trying to read according to the 'timeline' that you used to see in the beginning of the books.

Oh but in relation to the movie... I haven't seen it... and I don't know if I want to... the only reason I saw The Force Awakens is because my parents wanted to watch a movie when we went out after Christmas and they wanted to see that (which is kind of neat since I first saw Episode IV in theatres when my mom and dad took me... I think at that time it hadn't even had the whole 'episode' thing attached to it... the circle is complete.)

messhallcook wrote:

I still need to read anything after that...

I would recommend just stopping after the Vong series. They get progressively worse very quickly after that.

 insaniak wrote:

messhallcook wrote:

I still need to read anything after that...

I would recommend just stopping after the Vong series. They get progressively worse very quickly after that.

This.

About the only good thing to come out of the following series(s) was Vestara Khai, and she quickly descended into being way to angsty and brooding to stay as interesting as she initially was.

Oddly enough, there were still other good books coming out from elsewhere in the timeline (I enjoyed the hell out of Kenobi. It would make an awesome movie)... Just the post-Vong stuff got progressively sillier and weirder, and all of the writers involved with that arc seemed to be just phoning it in.

I watched Rogue One for the 4th time yesterday. I just can't get enough of this film! I wonder how many times I'll be watching it once the Bluray comes out...

Everything that could be said about this film has probably already been said in this thread, just thought I'd make a few observations that have stood out after multiple viewings:

My favourite quote (I paraphrase):
"Can you stand to see the Imperial flag reign over the galaxy?"
"It's not a problem if you don't look up."

One of the main criticisms I see about this film is the lack of character development. I just don't see it. Both Jyn and Cassian are fleshed out and their actions are believable, based on what we know about them. I especially liked Jyn, who went from being uncaring to a devoted Rebel in a believable way. Her father's dying wish being that she steal the Death Star plans was motivation enough I think. Felicity Jones being easy on the eye helps too.

The other characters were a bit more expendable, though I cared about them enough to feel it when they died. K2SO I could take or leave really. Not that there was anything wrong with the character, we've just seen the droid comic relief character before.

My criticisms of the film are mainly nit picks. One of the main ones is the overuse of people talking about The Force. Where I noticed it most is when the Mon Calamari Admiral Raddus sees that the Rebels on the planet are all going to be wiped out and says "Rogue One, may the Force be with you." Firstly, why does he even know what Rogue One is? Secondly, the impression I got from Episode 4 was that the Force is a mythical thing which most people consider fictional. Its liberal use in this film just didn't feel right.

There were just so many nice little touches that make this film worth watching. When the Rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace and both Gold Leader and Red Leader chime in was one of them. I thought they had just reused footage from Episode 4, though I have read that some unused footage from the film was also used. To me this film was clearly a labour of love by people who love the franchise.

I think that while the Force is a myth to a lot of the galaxy, it's still kind of fundamental to the Rebel cause and ideal; ultimately, the Rebellion want to 'reset' to the days of the Republic, and the Jedi and common knowledge of the Force is a big part of that. Before launching the attack on the first Death Star, the Rebel commander says 'May the Force be with you', so hearing it here isn't exactly out of place.

The outer rim territories and the common folk of the galaxy could very easily forget it all, hence why people like Han dismiss it out of hand, but it's basically what and why the Rebels are fighting.

Episode VIII has a title - The Last Jedi

El Torro wrote:
I watched Rogue One for the 4th time yesterday. I just can't get enough of this film! I wonder how many times I'll be watching it once the Bluray comes out...

Everything that could be said about this film has probably already been said in this thread, just thought I'd make a few observations that have stood out after multiple viewings:

My favourite quote (I paraphrase):
"Can you stand to see the Imperial flag reign over the galaxy?"
"It's not a problem if you don't look up."

One of the main criticisms I see about this film is the lack of character development. I just don't see it. Both Jyn and Cassian are fleshed out and their actions are believable, based on what we know about them. I especially liked Jyn, who went from being uncaring to a devoted Rebel in a believable way. Her father's dying wish being that she steal the Death Star plans was motivation enough I think. Felicity Jones being easy on the eye helps too.

The other characters were a bit more expendable, though I cared about them enough to feel it when they died. K2SO I could take or leave really. Not that there was anything wrong with the character, we've just seen the droid comic relief character before.

My criticisms of the film are mainly nit picks. One of the main ones is the overuse of people talking about The Force. Where I noticed it most is when the Mon Calamari Admiral Raddus sees that the Rebels on the planet are all going to be wiped out and says "Rogue One, may the Force be with you." Firstly, why does he even know what Rogue One is? Secondly, the impression I got from Episode 4 was that the Force is a mythical thing which most people consider fictional. Its liberal use in this film just didn't feel right.

There were just so many nice little touches that make this film worth watching. When the Rebel fleet comes out of hyperspace and both Gold Leader and Red Leader chime in was one of them. I thought they had just reused footage from Episode 4, though I have read that some unused footage from the film was also used. To me this film was clearly a labour of love by people who love the franchise.

They use the R1 call sign as they leave - so then various people get upset and bandy the name around so that its well known by the time they arrive at the attack site.

On The Force, and people's knowledge of it.

I guess that depends on your age, and your station.

Remember, Rogue One is a mere 19 years into the Emperor's reign, so for many, especially those in or aligned with the Senate, the Jedi are very much a living memory.

Now, a random spacer such as Han? Quite likely he's never heard of it - and given Luke's background, good reason Owen and Beru would've talked it down,

 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Episode VIII has a title - The Last Jedi

Well Mark, it was fun while it lasted.

I'm not really seeing why people are reading the title as confirmation of anyone dying.

At the time the movies starts, Luke is (at least so far as we know) the last Jedi. Nobody has to die for that to be true.

If the title is referring to Rey, then unless she intends to go off an found her own academy or Luke decides to have a crack at it, then she would be setting herself up as the last Jedi. Nobody has to die for that to be true.


As I mentioned before, I fully expect that Luke will shuffle off at some point in either Ep8 or 9... but the title of the movie isn't conclusive proof of anything in itself.

 insaniak wrote:


As I mentioned before, I fully expect that Luke will shuffle off at some point in either Ep8 or 9... but the title of the movie isn't conclusive proof of anything in itself.

It's because Luke took his Jedi vows too seriously that he's the last one. The jedi should have been having kids with each other and created a "super race" of jedi!